DT Earl Mitchell thread

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

I'm beginning to think we may still go after Hankins or Williams, Poe isn't happening, KC is going to franchise him now that Berry has re-signed.

What's making you think that? That's a lot of resources going into one position, and that doesn't include the two first round picks we invested in the other interior DL positions. The money we gave Mitchell doesn't scream backup to me.

Could be now with the new cap and to have a safety blanket. I don't think we will because the position IMO are usually two down players. I dunno, it's tough. Guess it depends on the rest of our targets in FA.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I'm beginning to think we may still go after Hankins or Williams, Poe isn't happening, KC is going to franchise him now that Berry has re-signed.

Would be nice. KC showed last year how your whole team can fall apart when the middle of your D opens up to the run. It puts pressure on the LBs and Ss to fill and support, which takes away from help for CBs. That in turn puts pressure on the offense because they will have less time of possession as the opponent runs up minutes.

Last year the niners tried Purcell and Dial but neither was as effective as Dorsey when he came back. So having a solid run stopper in the middle should be a primary goal. Mitchell is more like another Dial type player...very versatile but not stout enough to take on double teams and still hold the middle. Poe is 6'3" 346......now there's a big man!

Edit: I would also keep Dorsey unless his health is just not worth it. The difference he makes is worth it.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I'm beginning to think we may still go after Hankins or Williams, Poe isn't happening, KC is going to franchise him now that Berry has re-signed.

What do you think Hankins will fetch?

Probably around $9M to $10M a year to be honest.

Williams around $10-$11M

Poe is going to get around $12-$13M a yr, since the Chiefs said they're not tagging him.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I'm beginning to think we may still go after Hankins or Williams, Poe isn't happening, KC is going to franchise him now that Berry has re-signed.

What do you think Hankins will fetch?

Probably around $9M to $10M a year to be honest.

Williams around $10-$11M

Poe is going to get around $12-$13M a yr, since the Chiefs said they're not tagging him.

i think Poe is a bit overrated. Would rather go with the best run stuffer in the game. Williams would mesh well with Buckner and Mitchell, whose strengths are pass rushing

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

I'm beginning to think we may still go after Hankins or Williams, Poe isn't happening, KC is going to franchise him now that Berry has re-signed.

What do you think Hankins will fetch?

Probably around $9M to $10M a year to be honest.

Williams around $10-$11M

Poe is going to get around $12-$13M a yr, since the Chiefs said they're not tagging him.

i think Poe is a bit overrated. Would rather go with the best run stuffer in the game. Williams would mesh well with Buckner and Mitchell, whose strengths are pass rushing

The part that I keep thinking about that keeps whispering not to do it is on third downs Poe/Haskins/Williams would come out.

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

I'm beginning to think we may still go after Hankins or Williams, Poe isn't happening, KC is going to franchise him now that Berry has re-signed.

What's making you think that? That's a lot of resources going into one position, and that doesn't include the two first round picks we invested in the other interior DL positions. The money we gave Mitchell doesn't scream backup to me.

I agree with you... You can't have all stars at every position. We just need some solid play from a veteran who knows how to go to work everyday. Thats Mitchell to a tee and he wont be asked to do to much.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I'm beginning to think we may still go after Hankins or Williams, Poe isn't happening, KC is going to franchise him now that Berry has re-signed.

What do you think Hankins will fetch?

Probably around $9M to $10M a year to be honest.

Williams around $10-$11M

Poe is going to get around $12-$13M a yr, since the Chiefs said they're not tagging him.

I think it depends where we play Armstead and Buckner. If they are inside then no way we go after the big name DT's. If outside then that's a different story.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I'm beginning to think we may still go after Hankins or Williams, Poe isn't happening, KC is going to franchise him now that Berry has re-signed.

What do you think Hankins will fetch?

Probably around $9M to $10M a year to be honest.

Williams around $10-$11M

Poe is going to get around $12-$13M a yr, since the Chiefs said they're not tagging him.

I think it depends where we play Armstead and Buckner. If they are inside then no way we go after the big name DT's. If outside then that's a different story.

My dream: Buckner --- Williams --- Armstead --- Garrett

Nickel Depth: Jones --- Mitchell --- Blair --- Lynch

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I'm beginning to think we may still go after Hankins or Williams, Poe isn't happening, KC is going to franchise him now that Berry has re-signed.

What do you think Hankins will fetch?

Probably around $9M to $10M a year to be honest.

Williams around $10-$11M

Poe is going to get around $12-$13M a yr, since the Chiefs said they're not tagging him.

I think it depends where we play Armstead and Buckner. If they are inside then no way we go after the big name DT's. If outside then that's a different story.

My dream: Buckner --- Williams --- Armstead --- Garrett

Nickel Depth: Jones --- Mitchell --- Blair --- Lynch

That would be crazy good. But I'm not sold on Garrett. These hyped first round DE's are 50/50 chance of being busts. I would rather take a WR like Williams or Davis if we trade down.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
That would be crazy good. But I'm not sold on Garrett. These hyped first round DE's are 50/50 chance of being busts. I would rather take a WR like Williams or Davis if we trade down.

Funny you say that; that's my prediction. Trade back to 6 with the Jets and get WR Mike Williams; ShanaLynch's first pick of their era. And Taco with the next pick.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I'm beginning to think we may still go after Hankins or Williams, Poe isn't happening, KC is going to franchise him now that Berry has re-signed.

Would be nice. KC showed last year how your whole team can fall apart when the middle of your D opens up to the run. It puts pressure on the LBs and Ss to fill and support, which takes away from help for CBs. That in turn puts pressure on the offense because they will have less time of possession as the opponent runs up minutes.

Last year the niners tried Purcell and Dial but neither was as effective as Dorsey when he came back. So having a solid run stopper in the middle should be a primary goal. Mitchell is more like another Dial type player...very versatile but not stout enough to take on double teams and still hold the middle. Poe is 6'3" 346......now there's a big man!

Edit: I would also keep Dorsey unless his health is just not worth it. The difference he makes is worth it.

I bet Dorsey takes a shorter deal for less money than we paid Mitchell to stay if that's the route Lynch chooses to go.

Originally posted by NCommand:
My dream: Buckner --- Williams --- Armstead --- Garrett

Nickel Depth: Jones --- Mitchell --- Blair --- Lynch

Honeslty : Buckner--- Mitchell--- Allen--- Armstead

ain't too shabby either. And three of them can shift around the line.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:

My dream: Buckner --- Williams --- Armstead --- Garrett

Nickel Depth: Jones --- Mitchell --- Blair --- Lynch

Honeslty : Buckner--- Mitchell--- Allen--- Armstead

ain't too shabby either. And three of them can shift around the line.

For run downs sure I don't care..l I don't think this group is good for passing downs. We're trading down... either for a WR/DE if not both.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:
My dream: Buckner --- Williams --- Armstead --- Garrett

Nickel Depth: Jones --- Mitchell --- Blair --- Lynch

Honeslty : Buckner--- Mitchell--- Allen--- Armstead

ain't too shabby either. And three of them can shift around the line.

For run downs sure I don't care..l I don't think this group is good for passing downs. We're trading down... either for a WR/DE if not both.

I believe this line could be a very good pass rushing line as well as overall. Buckner is a really good penetrator and Armstead is a bull in collapsing a side. In a 3/4 they had to take up more space and were often doubled and triple teamed, in the 4/3 the offense will have to really dedicate two more blockers to keep them away from the QB. Not sure where I would play Armstead but if they use a shift to the weakside Armstead will likely be the anchor on the other side. Not sure how much stunting they can do at their size. When a guy that tall turns to move laterally he exposes his side. If they can all learn to stay low...

No one has commented on this guy since May, 2nd? I guess I am guilty too.