1st Team All Pro - OW, Kyle "Juice" Juszczyk

Originally posted by 9moon:

wasted in my opinion..

I wonder how much EXTRA MILLIONS we gave this guy that any other FB wont be able to do?

How many FBs around the league can catch the ball out of the backfield as effortlessly as him?

Originally posted by 9moon:

.... more money elsewhere, like you often ask for when I post something you find hard to believe.. WHERE THE LINK THAT MORE MONEY WAS ON THE TABLE??

Have you checked the forum front page?

Originally posted by Niners816:
It's gonna be interesting to see how Kyle uses him. Those of us that love the WCO hype up the FB to almost mythical status. Mostly this is contributed to the fact that during the dynasty days we were an base personnel type team and the FB got a ton of plays.

When you run as much horizontal stacked formation(split, near and Far)as we use to it leads to the FB getting a ton os use. Basically the FB was primary th in the Texas concept, bingo pick concept and the FB arrow plays.
Texas

Bingo pick

FB Arrow

And it happen to be the secondary on Z-In....Z-in is right there with Drive, Sprint option and shallow cross as a page 1 Walsh/WCO staple play.

Being that far up the progression, helped us have FB catch 75+ passes and lead out team in receptions a couple years.

In today's football, moving a FB around as an OW is the only way to get production at this level. We are just not gonna run the horizontal stacked forms enough to have a normal FB on the field enough to get that production.

Good stuff. Agree on the bolded. Juice was used as a 3rd down back in BAL which is unorthodox in that when we usually think "3rd down back" we think scatback like a Darren Sproles, not a player that is near 250 pounds. BAL threw screen passes to Juice too. The guy is not a traditional fullback that's primarily a lead blocking battering ram while an afterthought in the passing game. BAL drew up plays to get the ball into his hands. I'd compare him to Marcel Reese who was paid near $3 in 2014. Adding in salary inflation, plus paying extra to lure the FA, brings it to the $5 he got paid. I trust Shanahan to utilize Juice since it was probably Shanahan that pounded the table for him.

He's going to be the best FA signing in years.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
He's going to be the best FA signing in years.

That remains to be seen

AB was an excellent signing too

However, I really wanted this and I feel he'll be very special

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

He's going to be the best FA signing in years.

That remains to be seen

AB was an excellent signing too

However, I really wanted this and I feel he'll be very special

Boldin was acquired via trade for a 6th rounder

Originally posted by 9moon:

.... more money elsewhere, like you often ask for when I post something you find hard to believe.. WHERE THE LINK THAT MORE MONEY WAS ON THE TABLE??

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Juszczyk+turned+down+more+money

I wonder if his signing would make it less likely to look at Christian McCaffrey being that he alraedy does similar things as far as his versatility goes. Would think both of them in the same backfield would be awesome, as defenses would then have to account for both being moved around on any given play.

Originally posted by 9moon:

.... more money elsewhere, like you often ask for when I post something you find hard to believe.. WHERE THE LINK THAT MORE MONEY WAS ON THE TABLE??

I don't believe it either that he was offered more money.
We are definitly overpaying right now for players.
It's not my money so I don't care
Lol
Just hoping we sign a pass rusher or two! Ha

my point to this is that, McDonald could have been moved to that H-Back position where he can play both TE or FB ... no need to sign another player... plus, Vance as awful as his hands are, is a very very good blocker... so he can lead the way for Hyde when and if he's not Hurt.

Bell and Celek would then be our pass catching TE... plus, didn't we signed another TE??

Originally posted by Niners816:
It's gonna be interesting to see how Kyle uses him. Those of us that love the WCO hype up the FB to almost mythical status.

I was waiting for this post!

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 9moon:
.... more money elsewhere, like you often ask for when I post something you find hard to believe.. WHERE THE LINK THAT MORE MONEY WAS ON THE TABLE??

Have you checked the forum front page?

He only posts...doesn't read.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Niners816:
It's gonna be interesting to see how Kyle uses him. Those of us that love the WCO hype up the FB to almost mythical status. Mostly this is contributed to the fact that during the dynasty days we were an base personnel type team and the FB got a ton of plays.

When you run as much horizontal stacked formation(split, near and Far)as we use to it leads to the FB getting a ton os use. Basically the FB was primary th in the Texas concept, bingo pick concept and the FB arrow plays.
Texas

Bingo pick

FB Arrow

And it happen to be the secondary on Z-In....Z-in is right there with Drive, Sprint option and shallow cross as a page 1 Walsh/WCO staple play.

Being that far up the progression, helped us have FB catch 75+ passes and lead out team in receptions a couple years.

In today's football, moving a FB around as an OW is the only way to get production at this level. We are just not gonna run the horizontal stacked forms enough to have a normal FB on the field enough to get that production.

Good stuff. Agree on the bolded. Juice was used as a 3rd down back in BAL which is unorthodox in that when we usually think "3rd down back" we think scatback like a Darren Sproles, not a player that is near 250 pounds. BAL threw screen passes to Juice too. The guy is not a traditional fullback that's primarily a lead blocking battering ram while an afterthought in the passing game. BAL drew up plays to get the ball into his hands. I'd compare him to Marcel Reese who was paid near $3 in 2014. Adding in salary inflation, plus paying extra to lure the FA, brings it to the $5 he got paid. I trust Shanahan to utilize Juice since it was probably Shanahan that pounded the table for him.

Juice should be a nice matchup piece for us. Looks like he's going to be an H-Back type. Haven't had that player since Delanie Walker. It allows us to be equally proficient in run and pass from the same formation. Juice doesn't have Delanie's speed, but he his a pretty good athlete. Definitely a guy who's going to be a key part of the offense, more than your average fullback.

Originally posted by 9moon:

.... more money elsewhere, like you often ask for when I post something you find hard to believe.. WHERE THE LINK THAT MORE MONEY WAS ON THE TABLE??

Peter king talked about it

http://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/104462-kyle-juszczyk-turned-down-more-money-play-shanahan/

Originally posted by jeepzilla:

I don't believe it either that he was offered more money.
We are definitly overpaying right now for players.
It's not my money so I don't care
Lol
Just hoping we sign a pass rusher or two! Ha

Why don't you believe it? Why would anyone lie about it...id also like to see the breakdown of the contract before complaining about overpaying