1st Team All Pro - OW, Kyle "Juice" Juszczyk

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

For sure, and given our lack of dominance at the WR position, I would not be surprised to see Kyle use Juice in an even more diversified manner and as a true offensive weapon...a lot!

I don't know about 73 catches but I could see 50 and moved around a lot to help as a tell for Hoyer in this WCO. I can actually see him used far more as a receiver than a runner or in traditional FB sets.

I can't wait to see how Kyle uses the Juice.

I think he'll be used as a lead blocker quite often. Kyle will use a lead blocking FB in his run game. A factor in what gets him open is that defenses need to view him as a run blocker. Then those 3-4 times they aren't paying attention to him, get him the ball.

I'm sorry, did you say "lead blocker?" Ahhh, how I've missed that.

You may be right... use him more in a traditional sense and then bam...or as an outlet.

You had just reviewed the film in ATL so you have a good gauge for how Kyle uses his FB. I can't wait to see it.

I think this is where I am interested in what Kyle's plans are for some of the moving parts in the offense this year. In Chip Kelly's offense, he loved to feature his slot receivers with lots of targets. So it's no surprise that Kerley earned himself a nice extension in that offense. In Kyle's offense his slot receivers haven't always been as featured as much as Chip's but then he goes out and drafts his "draft crush" in Trent Taylor so now we're all banging the table hoping for him to develop into an immediate route monster like Welker and Edelman. As known by now, usually Kyle's split end is the one who dominates the passing game targets.

As for the fullback, he's usually just more of a check down option in Kyle's offense as opposed to a designated route runner, but clearly you don't pay a mere "fullback" what "Juice" got paid to just be a lead blocker and check down option. I think we may see some tinkering to Kyle's system this year but he is as innovative and smart of an offensive mind as there is in the NFL. You just can't help but have confidence he'll make what he has work.

My thoughts exactly. IMHO, I don't see the WR position as our strength so I have a feeling Kyle is going to be running a ton and passing a lot to the RB/FB/TE group with a lot of 2 TE sets... running a lot of Kerley and Taylor on 3rd downs. I have a feeling Kyle will move Juice around a lot too. He'll certainly have to morph because we don't have a true ZWR in Julio Jones.

The way I view the offense is there are serviceable components within it to spread across all skill positions but no real dominant piece to lean on in tough moments. I see Kerley as a replaceable player in the slot. Kyle would love for Taylor to develop into that guy, but if he doesn't somebody eventually will take that job. For now, Kerley is a perfectly capable player. Goodwin to me is who he is. I don't think he's a long term starter at the position. I do think his skillset is serviceable to the NFL as well though. He has tremendous speed which alone is a gift that can't be taught. He is quick enough too for someone like Kyle, whom is such a good playcaller, that he can utilize him in packages for the offense. Garcon is an aging physical receiver. He blocks, he makes tough catches. Bunch all these guys together and Kyle can spread the ball around enough with a group of receivers and tight ends who in their own right all have slightly different skill sets, while utilizing their strengths to move chains. You pretty much already touched on what "Juice" and the backs can give you as other options as well. It will be a total team effort on offense.

There simply is no dominant split end here. Kyle has shown that he can utilize a true number one receiver as good or better than anybody. The good news however, he has also shown an ability to construct a successful offense without them. He never had that true number one guy in Washington for four years but still finished top 20 twice, top ten once and top five once in the offensive rankings. He didn't have Andre Johnson anymore so he tailored his offense to a running qb and a young back that fit well to his running game. He will utilize the strengths of the players he has in San Fran as well similarly.

I'm not naive enough to say our offense will be top 15 this year but I do think Kyle will find a way to jump up about ten spots. Finishing somewhere in the lower 20's I think is perfectly reasonable expectations.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

For sure, and given our lack of dominance at the WR position, I would not be surprised to see Kyle use Juice in an even more diversified manner and as a true offensive weapon...a lot!

I don't know about 73 catches but I could see 50 and moved around a lot to help as a tell for Hoyer in this WCO. I can actually see him used far more as a receiver than a runner or in traditional FB sets.

I can't wait to see how Kyle uses the Juice.

I think he'll be used as a lead blocker quite often. Kyle will use a lead blocking FB in his run game. A factor in what gets him open is that defenses need to view him as a run blocker. Then those 3-4 times they aren't paying attention to him, get him the ball.

Just think of the times last couple yrs how we could have used that play...dump off to FB...except for one small item...we didn't have that play in the playbook. It was frustrating , esp when Ds just gave it to us. Water under the bridge. We got it now.

I dont think Kyle will be using him like he used his previous FBs

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

I dont think Kyle will be using him like he used his previous FBs

I think he will be using him as a FB/HB/move TE/slot WR. He can be used to trick the defense as to what personnel groups we are running. In this aspect, he can be kinda how Delanie Walker was for us.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

The way I view the offense is there are serviceable components within it to spread across all skill positions but no real dominant piece to lean on in tough moments. I see Kerley as a replaceable player in the slot. Kyle would love for Taylor to develop into that guy, but if he doesn't somebody eventually will take that job. For now, Kerley is a perfectly capable player. Goodwin to me is who he is. I don't think he's a long term starter at the position. I do think his skillset is serviceable to the NFL as well though. He has tremendous speed which alone is a gift that can't be taught. He is quick enough too for someone like Kyle, whom is such a good playcaller, that he can utilize him in packages for the offense. Garcon is an aging physical receiver. He blocks, he makes tough catches. Bunch all these guys together and Kyle can spread the ball around enough with a group of receivers and tight ends who in their own right all have slightly different skill sets, while utilizing their strengths to move chains. You pretty much already touched on what "Juice" and the backs can give you as other options as well. It will be a total team effort on offense.

There simply is no dominant split end here. Kyle has shown that he can utilize a true number one receiver as good or better than anybody. The good news however, he has also shown an ability to construct a successful offense without them. He never had that true number one guy in Washington for four years but still finished top 20 twice, top ten once and top five once in the offensive rankings. He didn't have Andre Johnson anymore so he tailored his offense to a running qb and a young back that fit well to his running game. He will utilize the strengths of the players he has in San Fran as well similarly.

I'm not naive enough to say our offense will be top 15 this year but I do think Kyle will find a way to jump up about ten spots. Finishing somewhere in the lower 20's I think is perfectly reasonable expectations.

Really nice post and I think you nailed it on the synergy of the offense. Kyle's ability to adapt to his own personnel is terrific. It sure seems like you've got some very realistic expectations too!

The nice thing about the focus on the running game and passing game with the slot WR's, TE's and RB/FB's is it starts sucking the defense more and more into the box which could open up some big plays on 9 routes, stop-go, post patterns, etc.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

I dont think Kyle will be using him like he used his previous FBs

I think he will be using him as a FB/HB/move TE/slot WR. He can be used to trick the defense as to what personnel groups we are running. In this aspect, he can be kinda how Delanie Walker was for us.

Perfect...that's exactly how I envision using him as well.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:
For sure, and given our lack of dominance at the WR position, I would not be surprised to see Kyle use Juice in an even more diversified manner and as a true offensive weapon...a lot!

I don't know about 73 catches but I could see 50 and moved around a lot to help as a tell for Hoyer in this WCO. I can actually see him used far more as a receiver than a runner or in traditional FB sets.

I can't wait to see how Kyle uses the Juice.

I think he'll be used as a lead blocker quite often. Kyle will use a lead blocking FB in his run game. A factor in what gets him open is that defenses need to view him as a run blocker. Then those 3-4 times they aren't paying attention to him, get him the ball.

Just think of the times last couple yrs how we could have used that play...dump off to FB...except for one small item...we didn't have that play in the playbook. It was frustrating , esp when Ds just gave it to us. Water under the bridge. We got it now.

There are easy TDs to be scored at the goal line, when a FB that can lead block for a respectable run game, is on the field. Vernon Davis scored a bunch of easy TDs on plays where he faked the run block, then leaked into the back of the endzone for an easy catch.

Fake the lead block.

Originally posted by thl408:

There are easy TDs to be scored at the goal line, when a FB that can lead block for a respectable run game, is on the field. Vernon Davis scored a bunch of easy TDs on plays where he faked the run block, then leaked into the back of the endzone for an easy catch.

Fake the lead block.

That's stealing......you run this enough and they start to cover the FB it leaves the slide open from the wing on the other side. And if your the 80s and 90s Niners, you make that wing a Z and score a s**tload of TDs with Jerry

Lol bad play by Deon whose thought he had to brace himself for a big hit/block.

Fullback is a position of declining importance in today's NFL as offenses focus ever more on the passing game and less on three yards and a cloud of dust, so to survive and thrive in today's NFL a fullback needs to be versatile, and Kyle Juszczyk is as versatile as they get. He played significantly more snaps than any other fullback in the league in 2016, and graded well as a blocker and pass catcher, but even earned himself five carries, gaining 14 of his 22 rushing yards after contact. He should make an intriguing free agent addition to the roster.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-the-secret-superstars-on-every-nfl-roster

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Fullback is a position of declining importance in today's NFL as offenses focus ever more on the passing game and less on three yards and a cloud of dust, so to survive and thrive in today's NFL a fullback needs to be versatile, and Kyle Juszczyk is as versatile as they get. He played significantly more snaps than any other fullback in the league in 2016, and graded well as a blocker and pass catcher, but even earned himself five carries, gaining 14 of his 22 rushing yards after contact. He should make an intriguing free agent addition to the roster.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-the-secret-superstars-on-every-nfl-roster

Still think Juice is going to be our best offensive player and the most vital one. Coaches/GM's don't give eyebrow-raising money to players unless they plan to squeeze a lot out of them.

On offense, Juice and Hoyer are the two players I am most excited to see play. Think these two guys will be the ones to set the tone of the offense and the other players will look to for leadership.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Still think Juice is going to be our best offensive player and the most vital one. Coaches/GM's don't give eyebrow-raising money to players unless they plan to squeeze a lot out of them.

On offense, Juice and Hoyer are the two players I am most excited to see play. Think these two guys will be the ones to set the tone of the offense and the other players will look to for leadership.

I agree. I think it's a given he will catch 40-50 passes but I also think he will carry the ball a little more than some people expect. I can see him getting 5-8 carries a game. I am excited about having him on our team and I think he was a heck of a pickup. We had to outspend Buffalo to get him so if we had to overpay a little, so what. We have the cap room and needed a player like Juice in this offense and on the team!

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:

I agree. I think it's a given he will catch 40-50 passes but I also think he will carry the ball a little more than some people expect. I can see him getting 5-8 carries a game. I am excited about having him on our team and I think he was a heck of a pickup. We had to outspend Buffalo to get him so if we had to overpay a little, so what. We have the cap room and needed a player like Juice in this offense and on the team!

Why do you expect him to carry or receive that much? Fullbacks rarely ever do. He's just gonna be doing all the dirty work for us like Pat Dimarco. In 2 years with Shanny he had 20 receptions and 0 carries. So less than a reception a game. And he was a pro bowler in 2015.

Full Backs win Championships!

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:
I agree. I think it's a given he will catch 40-50 passes but I also think he will carry the ball a little more than some people expect. I can see him getting 5-8 carries a game. I am excited about having him on our team and I think he was a heck of a pickup. We had to outspend Buffalo to get him so if we had to overpay a little, so what. We have the cap room and needed a player like Juice in this offense and on the team!

Why do you expect him to carry or receive that much? Fullbacks rarely ever do. He's just gonna be doing all the dirty work for us like Pat Dimarco. In 2 years with Shanny he had 20 receptions and 0 carries. So less than a reception a game. And he was a pro bowler in 2015.

I doubt they paid him that much just to lead block. He should get some plays drawn up to get him the ball. That's not what Shanahan did with DiMarco but he better with Juice to justify that contract. If Juice mainly lead blocks and ends up with 25 catches, that's a waste imo. He can do some good things with the ball in his hands on catches. I'm guessing 35-40 catches. He probably won't get many carries.