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Been watching old games ... Juice looks a LOT like the other RB44 on the 49ers.
His worth became more apparent when JG took the helm.
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
His worth became more apparent when JG took the helm.

It's really going to suck as a DC trying to scheme against this offense. So many guys who can create mismatches and contribute in multiple ways
Originally posted by goodthings19:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
His worth became more apparent when JG took the helm.

It's really going to suck as a DC trying to scheme against this offense. So many guys who can create mismatches and contribute in multiple ways

Totally agree.

It'll be like a great combination puncher in boxing - depressing to fight for the opponents.
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Originally posted by goodthings19:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
His worth became more apparent when JG took the helm.

It's really going to suck as a DC trying to scheme against this offense. So many guys who can create mismatches and contribute in multiple ways

Totally agree.

It'll be like a great combination puncher in boxing - depressing to fight for the opponents.

You guys smell the silence of the lambs part _____?
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WTF WHY ARE WE PAYING HIM SO MUCH?!?!
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Lol jk, he may be over paid but I'd rather over pay a FB and him not produce than a qb
[ Edited by JMC52 on Jul 18, 2018 at 4:53 AM ]
Originally posted by JMC52:
WTF WHY ARE WE PAYING HIM SO MUCH?!?!

because Kyle runs a 21 personnel more than any HC in the league. Having Juice on the field doesn't equal to a run or a pass play automatically. It's all about not giving tells to the defense and it was pretty obvious why they paid him if you watch the Jags game
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Originally posted by goodthings19:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
His worth became more apparent when JG took the helm.

It's really going to suck as a DC trying to scheme against this offense. So many guys who can create mismatches and contribute in multiple ways

Totally agree.

It'll be like a great combination puncher in boxing - depressing to fight for the opponents.

You guys smell the silence of the lambs part _____?

The Rams are going to be the biggest test.
[ Edited by WestCoastForever on Jul 18, 2018 at 10:05 AM ]
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by JMC52:
WTF WHY ARE WE PAYING HIM SO MUCH?!?!

because Kyle runs a 21 personnel more than any HC in the league. Having Juice on the field doesn't equal to a run or a pass play automatically. It's all about not giving tells to the defense and it was pretty obvious why they paid him if you watch the Jags game

Just when you thought ESPN could actually sit down and do some intelligent journalism, they f**k up and post this ish.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24107215/nfl-20-most-outsized-contracts-adjusting-position-2018

First silly Bill Barnwell attacks the system for rewards KJ's (ProBowl) success by saying ...

As was the case in Baltimore, Juszczyk's season was only superficially a success. He made the Pro Bowl for the second season, which is a product of the league's antiquated roster structure with its all-star game as opposed to excellent work. He contributed nothing as a runner, and while his receiving DVOA narrowly tipped to the positive side at 3.7 percent, whatever impact he had as a receiver was more than offset by the fact that Juszczyk fumbled twice on 38 touches. The 49ers also averaged more yards per carry (4.2) and ran for first downs more frequently (24 percent) when Juszczyk was off the field than they did when he was on it, as those runs produced 4.0 yards per carry and a first-down rate of 19.3 percent.

And then tries to compare JK's contract to ... EVERY OTHER FB in the league who don't remotely have the same responsibilities league-wide. Then outright LIES with this doozy:

It's not a huge mistake, but we saw the 49ers do the same thing again this offseason in giving halfback Jerick McKinnon $12 million for 2018 as part of a four-year, $30 million pact. Even if you wanted to pay a premium for McKinnon -- and it's unclear why the 49ers felt like they needed to pay a premium for any running back in a scheme that has generated excellent running backs out of nowhere for decades -- nobody was valuing backs with McKinnon's track record this offseason at anywhere close to $12 million for one year or $7.5 million over four.

Either Barnwell isn't doing his homework, uninformed or just completely making ish up. A very simple google search would demonstrate, the 49ers were in contention with the Jets for McKinnon. This was reported in many places. Then the coup de gras:

Organizations that focus on a specific player at a position and overpay him as opposed to trusting their ability to find a player at a position with a particular skill set for the market rate fail more often than not.

So this guy would have you believe (as we all are very familiar with) Praag doesn't understand the market rate for players. Now try saying that seriously with a straight face. To this fanbase.

Seriously though, this is a super lazy article that just takes a chart, tries to look smart by comparing contract size relative to others at the position, tries to "create alarm" based on who's getting paid way over their "market value" and does a crazy poor job of trying to correlate/conclude some sort of outcome. Notice, the last sentence in the story, the most critical one again .....

Organizations that focus on a specific player at a position and overpay him as opposed to trusting their ability to find a player at a position with a particular skill set for the market rate fail more often than not.

DOESN'T HAVE A GRAPH, or chart, or moniker or stats because as we all know, "market value" means different things to different teams and I'd say there's a stronger correlation between coaching system and player versus "position" and player when it comes to success.

Nice try Bill but this isn't going to cut it (ESPN).



Right! It's all about player's skill set within a scheme....clearly that didn't cross his mind. You can't just stick any Joe Blow back there at RB if they can't pass catch or run OZB. They tried with Hyde and it wasn't super effective. Juice is ALL ABOUT scheme and both guys allow Kyle to open up the playbook.

I'll gladly pay both a couple more million if it allows Kyle to bend over a defense like the Jags without a single pro-bowler at the skilled position.
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Juice had three catches of over 30 yards last season. Pretty sure no other FB in the league can say that.



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[ Edited by thl408 on Jul 18, 2018 at 12:10 PM ]
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it was distressing to see the coaches unable to know what to do with juice until jimmy arrived.the writer makes a good point,. we did over pay for a few people . i guess as long as they turn out ok no harm done
It's so unfair for dfefender to bite on the run playaction losing their first step forward and then have to cover a streaking FB out of the backfield like Juice

—s**t! —and then there's that Arby Jet right behind him too!

Ellebees running to their sideline — mutherf**ker I haven't lost a step, you just need to do your job and scheme me some help
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Jul 18, 2018 at 12:46 PM ]
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
It's so unfair for dfefender to bite on the run playaction losing their first step forward and then have to cover a streaking FB out of the backfield like Juice

—s**t! —and then there's that Arby Jet right behind him too!

Ellebees running to their sideline — mutherf**ker I haven't lost a step, you just need to do your job and scheme me some help

LOL...someone is gonna make millions off, "Got schemed?" t-shirts.
Originally posted by cciowa:
it was distressing to see the coaches unable to know what to do with juice until jimmy arrived.the writer makes a good point,. we did over pay for a few people . i guess as long as they turn out ok no harm done


You honestly thought, they didn't know what to do with him? You think the offense scheme wise significantly changed under Jimmy? We did use 21 personnel a little more, but the concepts weren't any different. Instead, they finally got a QB that worked the progressions and concepts.
[ Edited by Niners816 on Jul 18, 2018 at 4:31 PM ]
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