WR Trent Taylor-Round 5-Pick 177

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

The next Calvin Johnson

I know you're kidding, but do you think he's more like a Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, or Cole Beasely?

Whats the difference between them? Lol

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
The next Calvin Johnson

I know you're kidding, but do you think he's more like a Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, or Cole Beasely?

Whats the difference between them? Lol

Correct answer!

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by thl408:

I know you're kidding, but do you think he's more like a Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, or Cole Beasely?

I see a lot of Brandon Stokely, Wayne Chrebet, Steve Largent, and Danny Amendola in his game too.

Kinda reminds me of a smaller Ed McCaffrey.

Originally posted by pahlerbj:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by thl408:
I know you're kidding, but do you think he's more like a Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, or Cole Beasely?

I see a lot of Brandon Stokely, Wayne Chrebet, Steve Largent, and Danny Amendola in his game too.

Kinda reminds me of a smaller Ed McCaffrey.

So he's Christian??? Sweet

I hear he's Buddhist

Originally posted by GoldenGateGlory:

Originally posted by GoldenGateGlory:
We should run and gun.

Chip Kelly style with Colin Kaepernick at QB.

Whoops those boats have sailed already.

only a true legend can quote himself then respond.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

The next Calvin Johnson

I know you're kidding, but do you think he's more like a Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, or Cole Beasely?

Whats the difference between them? Lol

Correct answer!

Looking at measurables, Taylor is unique in his own way.

- He timed better than both Beasley & Welker did in their agility drills. Best comparison is Kerley (6.70 three cone to Taylor's 6.74)

- He's bigger than Beasley was (181 vs. 175) at the same height of 5-8, but Welker, Kerley, Edelman, and Amendola all are bigger than him.

- Beasley posted a faster 40 with more explosive measurables (4.49 vs 4.63, and 38 inch vertical vs 33 inch for Taylor).


Ultimately, no matter what kind of athlete you are, you have to be able to get open against NFL competition. We'll see if Taylor is up to that challenge.

Welker...let's take him: all the slots tend to run small, be it height, their frame, or both. All great ones have a comparable ability. They GET OPEN. Granted, it may not be for long but once off the LOS all those great, memorable "smaller guys" get open. Virtually all seem to be able to get free from hand checks, bumps, and not infrequently, outright holds. But somehow, someway they get open. Watching amendola, welker, et al, it is hard to miss the fakes they make right after the first step or two, giving them just a flash of time as a target. Balls are never thrown high (unless a screw up) and you have to count fast to know when the ball comes out. Usually it is a "hut, hut, bang bang''....ball is snapped and almost instantly gone. So they are basically taking a step, giving a great fake, and instantly on the lookout for the ball, which usually is right there.

Practice between QB and slot is essential, and it isn't a half hour or so twice a week. The really good ones, (Welker, amendola, Edelman...and now we hope Taylor ) have practiced this pitch and catch maybe thousands of times, so it is not an afterthot. It is something that has to be developed between slot receiver and QB. Hence when you have a guy like Kerley appear, more or less out of nowhere, and he starts producing in the slot, normally one would think this is the result of hundreds of hours or practice. In his case, that sure didn't seem to be the case. He was inserted at slot and bingo, gets it right away. What has been interesting wth him is he doesn't appear to be that quick off the LOS, nor that shifty. But somehow, altho it may just be for one heartbeat, he manages to get open and if the ball is anywhere reachable , makes the catch. Watching film of him from last yr, i still don't see how he has managed to be a mini form of amendola, welker, or Edelman.

Of course, it doesn't matter how , but IF , a slot can get open, no matter for how brief a time, that makes these quick hitters so effective. Also because these are not deep patterns, when down inside the deep red zone, the D gets compacted which makes finding an open spot hard if not impossible. It also can lead to some spectacular INTs which we all have seen in yrs gone by.

So on a team with essentially no functional OL, no functional Qb, to have a guy walk in and immediately start producing slot receptions....Well, that is a tad unusual. Altho i reviewed most of Kerley's receptions last yr, just exactly how the guy gets open remains a puzzler. Edelman, Welker, amendola...all have great fakes or hand assists getting off the LOS. Kerley can do that, but how exactly he has pulled this off, sans a decent QB, is even more interesting. We had a raft of WRs hanging around here for what seemed like the last hundred yrs, (tho it may not have been quite that long)...who as a group were either rehabbing, on tap for surgery, or just immediately post op. Usually we had 4 or 5 all the time. Firing all those jokers was long overdue and kyle and john knew they were injured and had been for some time. Fortunately virtually all those guys are gone, replaced by others who are not /have not been on IR for 3 yrs and then some. So when the wholesale exit of WRs took place, i had hoped we would retain our one decent WR, Kerley....and we did.

I don't recall seeing double slots used in NFL , but surely there must have been. By retaining kerley, and hopefully getting Taylor as a slot, we would have two guys who can play that position. Neither are tall nor do they have 36" long arms. But both can catch , virtually in the shortest amount of time from snapping the ball until it gets airborne....literally in the blink of an eye. I don't know KYle's intentions wiht Kerley and Taylor (assuming he makes the cut), but i am expecting to see anywhere from 6-10 of slot passes per game. Would kyle go with a 2 slot set? IDK, but it would be interesting. I do not believe Taylor was signed to rotate with Kerley. If Taylor makes it, it would be fun to watch both used at the same time. In both cases, success will depend on trust and familiarity between QB and slot receiver....and that means hundreds and hundreds of practice balls.

OUr last two QBs did not have the flair for quick hitters like this but now, this is a pass that Hoyer has. Since these are smaller guys usually, and the ball is almost always thrown low; this is a relatively safe pass IF, IF...the Qb has practiced it enough wiht his slot receiver. Whether true or not, it always seems as if these passes (from a legit QB) are thrown in really tight, tiny , windows. And they aren't rocket balls either. Just has to be a firm pass and on the money, down belt high (or lower) and exactly at the brief moment the slot receiver is open.

Will we see a lot of these in Kyle's O? Man i sure hope so, and i would love to see Taylor at the end of those passes. Kerley too, but i really would like to see Tayllor take off and make a living on these ultra quick hitters. Both kerley and Taylor have the two attributes that great slots possess: great hand-eye coordination, and the ultra intense ability to hyper-concentrate. The sooner we see these two in action, the better.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by GoldenGateGlory:

Originally posted by GoldenGateGlory:

We should run and gun.

Chip Kelly style with Colin Kaepernick at QB.

Whoops those boats have sailed already.

only a true legend can quote himself then respond.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

The next Calvin Johnson

I know you're kidding, but do you think he's more like a Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, or Cole Beasely?

Whats the difference between them? Lol

Correct answer!

Looking at measurables, Taylor is unique in his own way.

- He timed better than both Beasley & Welker did in their agility drills. Best comparison is Kerley (6.70 three cone to Taylor's 6.74)

- He's bigger than Beasley was (181 vs. 175) at the same height of 5-8, but Welker, Kerley, Edelman, and Amendola all are bigger than him.

- Beasley posted a faster 40 with more explosive measurables (4.49 vs 4.63, and 38 inch vertical vs 33 inch for Taylor).


Ultimately, no matter what kind of athlete you are, you have to be able to get open against NFL competition. We'll see if Taylor is up to that challenge.

For me what matters most with this small slot guys with regards to the combine is the 3 cone and 20 yard ( quickness and change of direction speed)...he was 3rd overall in the 20 yard and 5th overall in the 3 cone among all WRs. He will get open and those quick smaller WRs are what kill teams like the Seahawks

If we can get a accurate qb he could be a 1st down killer...

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

The next Calvin Johnson

I know you're kidding, but do you think he's more like a Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, or Cole Beasely?

Whats the difference between them? Lol

Correct answer!

Looking at measurables, Taylor is unique in his own way.

- He timed better than both Beasley & Welker did in their agility drills. Best comparison is Kerley (6.70 three cone to Taylor's 6.74)

- He's bigger than Beasley was (181 vs. 175) at the same height of 5-8, but Welker, Kerley, Edelman, and Amendola all are bigger than him.

- Beasley posted a faster 40 with more explosive measurables (4.49 vs 4.63, and 38 inch vertical vs 33 inch for Taylor).


Ultimately, no matter what kind of athlete you are, you have to be able to get open against NFL competition. We'll see if Taylor is up to that challenge.

For me what matters most with this small slot guys with regards to the combine is the 3 cone and 20 yard ( quickness and change of direction speed)...he was 3rd overall in the 20 yard and 5th overall in the 3 cone among all WRs. He will get open and those quick smaller WRs are what kill teams like the Seahawks

If we can get a accurate qb he could be a 1st down killer...

I just thought about it... I'd love to see Taylor out of the backfield for screens, or him running routes out of the backfield or motioning to the LOS. Real life madden cheese lol.

He may even take the odd snap and pass the ball like his namesake John Taylor.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

The next Calvin Johnson

I know you're kidding, but do you think he's more like a Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, or Cole Beasely?

Whats the difference between them? Lol

Correct answer!

Looking at measurables, Taylor is unique in his own way.

- He timed better than both Beasley & Welker did in their agility drills. Best comparison is Kerley (6.70 three cone to Taylor's 6.74)

- He's bigger than Beasley was (181 vs. 175) at the same height of 5-8, but Welker, Kerley, Edelman, and Amendola all are bigger than him.

- Beasley posted a faster 40 with more explosive measurables (4.49 vs 4.63, and 38 inch vertical vs 33 inch for Taylor).


Ultimately, no matter what kind of athlete you are, you have to be able to get open against NFL competition. We'll see if Taylor is up to that challenge.

For me what matters most with this small slot guys with regards to the combine is the 3 cone and 20 yard ( quickness and change of direction speed)...he was 3rd overall in the 20 yard and 5th overall in the 3 cone among all WRs. He will get open and those quick smaller WRs are what kill teams like the Seahawks

If we can get a accurate qb he could be a 1st down killer...

For the time being, it'd be nice if he can apply all that cutting and shiftiness to the special teams unit. It'd be nice to have a viable return game again.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

For the time being, it'd be nice if he can apply all that cutting and shiftiness to the special teams unit. It'd be nice to have a viable return game again.

Agreed

Along with Thomas it also sucks Trent Taylor will miss most of OTA's because of that dumbass rule about players from college on the quarter system.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

For the time being, it'd be nice if he can apply all that cutting and shiftiness to the special teams unit. It'd be nice to have a viable return game again.

Agreed

Yes how longs it been since we had a reliable returner?
Ginn??
Memories of the home playoff game against the giants with harbaugh are still giving me nightmares.