WR Trent Taylor-Round 5-Pick 177

Originally posted by thl408:
I think that's how the route was supposed to be run based on the playcall. The CB had inside leverage. Taylor breaks outwards, gets separation, then turns back into the CB on the inside. There's no way he does that unless that's what he was supposed to do, I think. Hoyer was waiting for Taylor to break back towards the inside before throwing the ball. It's a double move to shake man coverage, but Taylor won on the initial break. Odd play. I think Kyle will be asked about this play at some point this week.

lol, I'm an idiot. Just saw you post this on the prior page. I agree 100%

LOVE this kid. he got spunk

Originally posted by Eli_23:
LOVE this kid. he got spunk

He was a bright spot but his brain gonna be mush by year 4

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by Eli_23:
LOVE this kid. he got spunk

He was a bright spot but his brain gonna be mush by year 4

calm down

Great sign that he was the #1 option with the game on the line on that botched PI call. Crazy that this kid is already the dude in clutch situations.

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Even if Taylor had run the wrong route, if you look at the pass, you can tell Hoyer lead him as if there was no defender there... he should have drilled the ball to Taylor.. Hoyer didn't expect the defender to be there and threw it on that spot..

Taylor did not run the wrong route. Hoyer targeted the wrong route.

You guys talking about the 2 pt attempt?

I think Taylor/Hoyer both executed the play as designed. It was a bad play design IMO. THL, you can look at the film to tell though.

But my impression was all game we were frequently using Taylor to make repeated cut backs in his passing routes, like the one he scored on was a crazy passing route. I believe he was suppose to run a similar route where he is running the route to the outside and is suppose to cut back to the inside. Sorry I don't know the terminology that well.

Yes the 2 pt attempt. It's like a reverse pivot route or something. Fakes the quick out, get the CB leaning, then cut back to the inside. That's the idea. Except Taylor's initial cut to the outside earned him separation, then as the playcall is drawn up, Taylor cuts back to the inside and runs into the CB.

Garcon motions across and they confirm man coverage. This play is a pure isolation play for Taylor. What confidence in a rookie. Garcon and Goodwin will clear out for Taylor to work his route.


There's the clear out, Taylor gets separation on the cut to the outside But too bad the play is designed for Taylor to cut back to the inside.


CB is like, "oh cool, I thought I was toast"

Looks like Hoyer could have had it, he hesitated slightly on the throw, but I disagree with the play design on that. If you've done that pivot route once at the goal line, don't do it a 2nd time shortly thereafter

Someone mentioned it was the same route on his TD. Yup.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Even if Taylor had run the wrong route, if you look at the pass, you can tell Hoyer lead him as if there was no defender there... he should have drilled the ball to Taylor.. Hoyer didn't expect the defender to be there and threw it on that spot..

Taylor did not run the wrong route. Hoyer targeted the wrong route.

You guys talking about the 2 pt attempt?

I think Taylor/Hoyer both executed the play as designed. It was a bad play design IMO. THL, you can look at the film to tell though.

But my impression was all game we were frequently using Taylor to make repeated cut backs in his passing routes, like the one he scored on was a crazy passing route. I believe he was suppose to run a similar route where he is running the route to the outside and is suppose to cut back to the inside. Sorry I don't know the terminology that well.

Yes the 2 pt attempt. It's like a reverse pivot route or something. Fakes the quick out, get the CB leaning, then cut back to the inside. That's the idea. Except Taylor's initial cut to the outside earned him separation, then as the playcall is drawn up, Taylor cuts back to the inside and runs into the CB.

Garcon motions across and they confirm man coverage. This play is a pure isolation play for Taylor. What confidence in a rookie. Garcon and Goodwin will clear out for Taylor to work his route.


There's the clear out, Taylor gets separation on the cut to the outside But too bad the play is designed for Taylor to cut back to the inside.


CB is like, "oh cool, I thought I was toast"

ugh, if only he rant the out route.....that was definitely not an option route, TT can't be that stupid

^yep! That's what I was referring to (thl's TD gif)

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Looks like Hoyer could have had it, he hesitated slightly on the throw, but I disagree with the play design on that. If you've done that pivot route once at the goal line, don't do it a 2nd time shortly thereafter

Looks like they tried it on the same CB. If anything, change it up and run the quick out, without the pivot?

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Looks like Hoyer could have had it, he hesitated slightly on the throw, but I disagree with the play design on that. If you've done that pivot route once at the goal line, don't do it a 2nd time shortly thereafter

Nah. Both said after the game he ran the route that was called. Taylor just beat that dude so bad on the first move that when he came back (as the play called for) that guy was lucky to be in the way.

Both said it wasn't a two-way go, so if Taylor kept running Hoyer would've thrown it directly to the CB...where Taylor should have been. Since it was a goal line situation it was a timing route...so the ball was coming out at that time regardless.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Looks like Hoyer could have had it, he hesitated slightly on the throw, but I disagree with the play design on that. If you've done that pivot route once at the goal line, don't do it a 2nd time shortly thereafter

Looks like they tried it on the same CB. If anything, change it up and run the quick out, without the pivot?

I don't think the trust is there yet for a rookie wr to run option routes...

If there was, that's probably a successful conversion

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
ugh, if only he rant the out route.....that was definitely not an option route, TT can't be that stupid

No way TT is that dumb. If it was an option, it goes against a WR's instincts to do what he did. WRs know the leverage of the CB they are facing. So TT knows he won on his first cut. But the play design calls for him to cut back inside. He was just performing his assignment. But the takeaway from this is Taylor is going to be an option near the goal line. Not something you'd think from a 5'7 guy.

The moral of this story is that teams are playing with fire if they give Taylor a free release off the line. He will own you with the route.