Really? Vegas picks us for 4.5 Ws...

I am not a betting man but how do I get my money down on this turkey?

First question is why? Next is, did they by chance see the draft...and read reports that 9 of those 10 are expected to make the team?

Follow up is did they miss the firing of tomsul? How about Chip? Did they happen to notice our HC was the top OC in the league?

Did they note our struggling QB has "moved on" ? True we do have a journeyman QB as well as a journeyman backup. But Hoyer has played for Kyle before. Is THAT what the 4 1/2 Ws is about? Is the D that gave up the most yrds last yr, still the same? Did they note that we now have AA, Buck and Solomon all on the same DL? By chance did they pick up on Foster being drafted by us late in rd 1? And we signed a tall potential starting press corner in Witherspoon?

Have they noted that by start of season literally 50% or more of the team will have turned over? Did they note we have NOBODY on IR or injured as opposed to ending the season with 17 guys on IR...our average for the last 3 yrs? Are they aware that our strength on D has been the DBs, and that we just improved them? Are they aware the team that tomsul somehow limped to the finish line with 5 Ws, couldn't hold a candle to the talent on this team?

If this is all based on QB, then they have made a huge miscalculation. With Kyle, it isn't the Qb, it is his coaching of the QB and his playcalling that makes the difference. I don't expect Hoyer to be great, but i sure expect him to carry out Kyle's plays. And that in and of itself is worth a handful of Ws. IF this 4.5 Ws is in part based on no #1 WR, ok, fair point. No FR QB, no #1 WR. But what they somehow missed is that in one FA/Draft, is that the literally dozens of holes that were there ...have now been patched? Maybe it is just too much of a leap to see that 2-14 team as anything else than what we were last yr. But not even close inspection will show them we aren't even close to that smelly pile of garbage that finished with 14 Ls.

Did Vegas happen to notice that finallly, Jed has taken himself out of the picture, and turned this over to the pros? Did they catch the twin 6 yr contracts of both GM And HC?

This team looks no more like that tomsul 5 W team than it looks like a giant maggot. This team with no TC looks faster , bigger, better, meaner than any team we have fielded in 4 yrs. And it sure doesn't look like that 2 W team of Chip's.

I can only assume bets will be so outlandishly against 4.5 Ws that the Ws will have to be jacked up. If not, bet away.

dam wish that number didn't come with a hook.! I think 4 wins is very probable and maybe we get lucky and pick up one more. pretty sure not going have a "who's got it better than us season " like we did in 2011 when we were coming off a 6-10 record in 2010, hate to say but the way things usually work out is a small improvement before the big jump http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/teams.nsf/histories/49ers

Not to be a homer but there is money to be made in Vegas with these odds.

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Not to be a homer but there is money to be made in Vegas with these odds.

This was a 5 WIN team with tomsul? You gotta be kidding about 4.5 with every single aspect of this team improved except QB...and there is no guarantee with kyle, we aren't improved there also. This just seems so lopsided.

This is the worst team in the league.

Adding some ok free agents and one draft isn't changing that too much.


We don't really have much starting material at many positions.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

This is the worst team in the league.

Adding some ok free agents and one draft isn't changing that too much.


We don't really have much starting material at many positions.

Just out of curiosity, where do you think we do not have starting material..aside from the obvious, QB and #1WR?

I am surprised to think you don't believe an awfully big number of those holes were filled.

Idk. I was optimistic when they hired Chip last year and predicted 6 wins. Was so off the mark, it wasn't even funny.

Now.....I'll still predict 6 wins, but I definitely wouldn't put money on it, lol.

5-6 wins IMO

They don't even think the 49ers will get back to Tomsula level performance?

Take the over.

That's more than double the wins from last year. LOL

4-6 wins sounds fair. I'm expecting a much improved and consistent performance this season, but not necessarily expecting it to translate to a ton of wins. We'll be drafting in the top 10 next year IMO if not the top 5.

There will be definite signs of improvement though.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Idk. I was optimistic when they hired Chip last year and predicted 6 wins. Was so off the mark, it wasn't even funny.

Now.....I'll still predict 6 wins, but I definitely wouldn't put money on it, lol.

There's the rub. Some of us even got excited by Tomsula! Once bitten twice shy. But there is certainly something very different happening here this time. Even if our D is developing I gotta baleed that Shanahan will craft some big offensive scores outta nothin that will win games.

Keep the faith brotha.

5 wins is a step in the right direction.

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

That's more than double the wins from last year. LOL

I think that line is fair lol wouldn't bet on it tho

I bet here in Nevada, but these type of bets are dogs to begin with. Over 4.5 is homey territory. The QB situation is worse than Pre-Smith. Teams made us pass the last two years and we couldn't, the situation is worse now. Non-starters like Hoyer will have to learn to start. Coaches have to install new O & D. All those new in their position have learning curve (especially coaches).