Really? Vegas picks us for 4.5 Ws...

Originally posted by GoldenGateGlory:
Vegas usually get the odds pretty right. Barring injury.

Don't get fooled.

This Franchise is still a big-time work-in-progress.

Without a big name QB.

What were the odds this time of the year in 2011?

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Handicapped?, you specifically said the amount of games/spread was the odds

The odds you gave him also can be seen as this +200

It cant be seen as +200 if everyone knows its -110 which is the vig. You guys need to stop. You don't even understand the difference between the vig and the odds and how it applies to certain bets.

I offered him an unconventional bet because of my confidence in it.

What do you mean if everyone knows, we are talking about the odds you gave him 2/1 = +200

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by GoldenGateGlory:

Vegas usually get the odds pretty right. Barring injury.

Don't get fooled.

This Franchise is still a big-time work-in-progress.

Without a big name QB.

What were the odds this time of the year in 2011?

Most likely.. -110

Hoping for 8 wins. But wish for 5. Don't really thinking about draft position for next year. Just want to win.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Most likely.. -110

-110 isn't odds

-110 doesn't tell you s**t. Without the actual odds/ which is the points. Without that it means nothing. But if you give me the actual odds/ points. I can tell you the likely vig will be -110.

-110 is the vig/ total money you have to bet to win $100.

Last years odds were 49ers +5.5 fyi.

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Most likely.. -110

-110 isn't odds

-110 doesn't tell you s**t. Without the actual odds/ which is the points it means nothing. But if you give me the actual odds/ points I can tell you the likely vig -110.

-110 is the vig/ total money you have to bet to win $100.

Last years odds were 49ers +5.5 fyi.

How can they be +5.5 in total wins?

So if you saw -300 or a +500 for a team what would you think?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

What do you mean if everyone knows, we are talking about the odds you gave him 2/1 = 200

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Most likely.. -110

-110 isn't odds

-110 doesn't tell you s**t. Without the actual odds/ which is the points it means nothing. But if you give me the actual odds/ points I can tell you the likely vig -110.

-110 is the vig/ total money you have to bet to win $100.

Last years odds were 49ers +5.5 fyi.

How can they be +5.5 in total wins?

So if you saw -300 or a +500 for a team what would you think?

That doesn't happen in over/under bets. Its a level playing field.

Learn the difference between a money line and a handicapped bet.

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

What do you mean if everyone knows, we are talking about the odds you gave him 2/1 = 200

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Most likely.. -110

-110 isn't odds

-110 doesn't tell you s**t. Without the actual odds/ which is the points it means nothing. But if you give me the actual odds/ points I can tell you the likely vig -110.

-110 is the vig/ total money you have to bet to win $100.

Last years odds were 49ers +5.5 fyi.

How can they be +5.5 in total wins?

So if you saw -300 or a +500 for a team what would you think?

That doesn't happen in over/under bets. Its a level playing field.

Learn the difference between a money line and a handicapped bet.

handicap is the line 4.5 , odds are the + or -

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

What do you mean if everyone knows, we are talking about the odds you gave him 2/1 = 200

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Most likely.. -110

-110 isn't odds

-110 doesn't tell you s**t. Without the actual odds/ which is the points it means nothing. But if you give me the actual odds/ points I can tell you the likely vig -110.

-110 is the vig/ total money you have to bet to win $100.

Last years odds were 49ers +5.5 fyi.

How can they be +5.5 in total wins?

So if you saw -300 or a +500 for a team what would you think?

That doesn't happen in over/under bets. Its a level playing field.

Learn the difference between a money line and a handicapped bet.

handicap is the line 4.5 , odds are the + or -

No its not.

Odds have a favorite and an underdog.

The 49ers are -110 each way like most teams.

What are the odds of -110 vs -110? Whos is the favorite and how does the pay structure work?

I think im going to start a gambling thread up. These guys need major help and are really confused!

We will shock the league like we did in 2011... all on Hoyers ability and Bows health..

Originally posted by CityKing415:

We will shock the league like we did in 2011... all on Hoyers ability and Bows health..

I think Bow is fine. Im now worried about Foster. He is a difference maker and if he sits out this year its a wash on a top 15 defense which is what I expect.

I think the 4.5 number is not unreasonable. Until we have a stable QB situation, that is about the best we can ask for. Count me in for 5 wins now. Best case scenario is probably 7 wins. Worst case- 2 or 3.

7 no problem
panthers home opener new regime
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OP.....Vegas didnt "pick us for 4.5 wins." That is not how lines work.

Lines are set at a number that the linesmakers believe there will be as close to even amount of bets on both sides. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with what they think is going to be the outcome. They set lines to generate interest in betting on both sides.

In this example, the Niners over/under was set at 4.5 because they think that is the number that will generate similar amount of bets on both over 4.5 and under 4.5. It doesnt mean Vegas thinks the 49ers will win 4.5 games (as everyone knows is physically impossible).