Really? Vegas picks us for 4.5 Ws...

With no quality QB, we still aren't going to get that far.

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by LVJay:

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Originally posted by CityKing415:

We will shock the league like we did in 2011... all on Hoyers ability and Bows health..

Would appreciate that. However, back then we had a QB that was taken 1st ovr and a solid defense that "just" needed a pass-rusher and a little bit of help in the secondary.
However, this year we seem to have some talent on the defensive side of the ball but we also have a lot of question marks due to new coaching staff, a rookie DC and a new system. And Hoyer, with all due respect to Shanahan, is average at best; there is absolutely potential left.

As I recall (correct me if I'm wrong), Alex got some training in the offseason with a pitching coach plus time with Harbaugh so that was good for us because he did improve a lot from the previous Alex. You're on point about the defense then too.

I'm just enjoying some fine koolaid in here, that's all. However, I'm not going to underestimate Shanny's ability. He's an unknown as far as being a head coach (from coordinator)... he can either be average, which isn't bad for the first year, or he can over achieve. I don't think underachieving is something he does. If a lot of the players turn out to be average / mediocre I'd still say he can pull out 5 wins w/out a doubt. Even with Hoyer, I'm sticking with 7-9

I don't really care for the term over achieving in the NFL if we're talking records. I mean unless a team gets 4 game winning ST TD's, I don't think you really stumble. Am I wrong for saying we could've finished 6-10 or 7-9 last year? I don't think you could say NO Smoke, cause we had chances to WIN ball games, against some good teams too. That, along with the off season, I'm not predicting anything and gonna hope for the best no matter what.

We were so out coached last year, especially in 2nd half of most games (no adjustments)... the upgrade on depth and new coaching staff is why I'm enjoying some fine koolaid. Not only will we look better as a team in 4 qtrs, we'll be in more close games (winning some of them). Can't wait for camp, preseason, then kickoff.

For damn sure my man. I mean effing having health alone on our side could've further gave us better odds at 7-9 last year. We couldn't afford to be missing guys. The schemes didn't help either to say the least lol. That's without the new players or upgrades.

Originally posted by GoldenGateGlory:

With no quality QB, we still aren't going to get that far.

All I want is good game manager play from Hoyer. Shanahan is gonna be smart not to put him in positions to fail. All I know is y'all better cheer y'all asses off for him to build his confidence up lol.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
For damn sure my man. I mean effing having health alone on our side could've further gave us better odds at 7-9 last year. We couldn't afford to lbs kissing guys. The schemes didn't help either to say the least lol. That's without the new players or upgrades.

THIS!!

Shanny / Lynch and staff is a huge improvement compared to the s**t we had last year, it's truly night and day. Even the roster looks much improved albeit on paper. We shall see. I'm sipping on some fine koolaid here...

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
All I want is good game manager play from Hoyer. Shanahan is gonna be smart not to put him in positions to fail. All I know is y'all better cheer y'all asses off for him to build his confidence up lol.

Shanny got this

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

For damn sure my man. I mean effing having health alone on our side could've further gave us better odds at 7-9 last year. We couldn't afford to lbs kissing guys. The schemes didn't help either to say the least lol. That's without the new players or upgrades.

THIS!!

Shanny / Lynch and staff is a huge improvement compared to the s**t we had last year, it's truly night and day. Even the roster looks much improved albeit on paper. We shall see. I'm sipping on some fine koolaid here...

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

All I want is good game manager play from Hoyer. Shanahan is gonna be smart not to put him in positions to fail. All I know is y'all better cheer y'all asses off for him to build his confidence up lol.

Shanny got this

On the first post you responded to I meant we couldn't afford for guys to go down injury or be missing out of action in general

I think so too, NFC West isn't so tough anymore... I'm ready to try and steal the division. WIN THE WEST

Lets wait one more year and continue our rebuilding.

There are still some more pieces on the chess board that we have to draft.

San Francisco 49ers' 2017 spreads for each week.

Week 17 is excluded because of high variance caused by potential playoff seeding, QBs sitting out the final week or playing partial games, etc.

Here is the list for every game.

Week 1

Panthers at 49ers (+4.5)

Week 2

49ers (+13) at Seahawks

Week 3 (Thursday)

Rams at 49ers (-1.5)

Week 4

49ers (+9) at Cardinals

Week 5

49ers (+9) at Colts

Week 6

49ers (+8) at Redskins

Week 7

Cowboys at 49ers (+8.5)

Week 8

49ers (+7.5) at Eagles

Week 9

Cardinals at 49ers (+3.5)

Week 10

Giants at 49ers (+4.5)

Week 11

BYE

Week 12

Seahawks at 49ers (+7.5)

Week 13

49ers (+4) at Bears

Week 14

49ers (+9) at Texans

Week 15

Titans at 49ers (+3)

Week 16

Jaguars at 49ers (+1)

4-5 wins seems about right. Shanny didn't light things up in his first year in Atlanta and they had a much more talented roster imo

Originally posted by JBrack:

San Francisco 49ers' 2017 spreads for each week.

Week 17 is excluded because of high variance caused by potential playoff seeding, QBs sitting out the final week or playing partial games, etc.

Here is the list for every game.

Week 1

Panthers at 49ers (+4.5)

Week 2

49ers (+13) at Seahawks

Week 3 (Thursday)

Rams at 49ers (-1.5)

Week 4

49ers (+9) at Cardinals

Week 5

49ers (+9) at Colts

Week 6

49ers (+8) at Redskins

Week 7

Cowboys at 49ers (+8.5)

Week 8

49ers (+7.5) at Eagles

Week 9

Cardinals at 49ers (+3.5)

Week 10

Giants at 49ers (+4.5)

Week 11

BYE

Week 12

Seahawks at 49ers (+7.5)

Week 13

49ers (+4) at Bears

Week 14

49ers (+9) at Texans

Week 15

Titans at 49ers (+3)

Week 16

Jaguars at 49ers (+1)

By those odds, we'll be 1-15 next year. That's not happening. Drafting early next year will be a lottery ticket though.

I'll take the over on our 4.5 win spread.

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by JBrack:
San Francisco 49ers' 2017 spreads for each week.

Week 17 is excluded because of high variance caused by potential playoff seeding, QBs sitting out the final week or playing partial games, etc.

Here is the list for every game.

Week 1

Panthers at 49ers (+4.5)

Week 2

49ers (+13) at Seahawks

Week 3 (Thursday)

Rams at 49ers (-1.5)

Week 4

49ers (+9) at Cardinals

Week 5

49ers (+9) at Colts

Week 6

49ers (+8) at Redskins

Week 7

Cowboys at 49ers (+8.5)

Week 8

49ers (+7.5) at Eagles

Week 9

Cardinals at 49ers (+3.5)

Week 10

Giants at 49ers (+4.5)

Week 11

BYE

Week 12

Seahawks at 49ers (+7.5)

Week 13

49ers (+4) at Bears

Week 14

49ers (+9) at Texans

Week 15

Titans at 49ers (+3)

Week 16

Jaguars at 49ers (+1)

By those odds, we'll be 1-15 next year. That's not happening. Drafting early next year will be a lottery ticket though.

I'll take the over on our 4.5 win spread.

With those odds at where they are (this date), I'd say we'll cover (the spreads) at least 9 of those games.

I'm down with the over too

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by JBrack:
San Francisco 49ers' 2017 spreads for each week.

Week 17 is excluded because of high variance caused by potential playoff seeding, QBs sitting out the final week or playing partial games, etc.

Here is the list for every game.

Week 1

Panthers at 49ers (+4.5)

Week 2

49ers (+13) at Seahawks

Week 3 (Thursday)

Rams at 49ers (-1.5)

Week 4

49ers (+9) at Cardinals

Week 5

49ers (+9) at Colts

Week 6

49ers (+8) at Redskins

Week 7

Cowboys at 49ers (+8.5)

Week 8

49ers (+7.5) at Eagles

Week 9

Cardinals at 49ers (+3.5)

Week 10

Giants at 49ers (+4.5)

Week 11

BYE

Week 12

Seahawks at 49ers (+7.5)

Week 13

49ers (+4) at Bears

Week 14

49ers (+9) at Texans

Week 15

Titans at 49ers (+3)

Week 16

Jaguars at 49ers (+1)

By those odds, we'll be 1-15 next year. That's not happening. Drafting early next year will be a lottery ticket though.

I'll take the over on our 4.5 win spread.

With those odds at where they are (this date), I'd say we'll cover (the spreads) at least 9 of those games.

I'm down with the over too

i would bet right now if you could. Those numbers will change for sure

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by JBrack:
San Francisco 49ers' 2017 spreads for each week.

Week 17 is excluded because of high variance caused by potential playoff seeding, QBs sitting out the final week or playing partial games, etc.

Here is the list for every game.

Week 1

Panthers at 49ers (+4.5)

Week 2

49ers (+13) at Seahawks

Week 3 (Thursday)

Rams at 49ers (-1.5)

Week 4

49ers (+9) at Cardinals

Week 5

49ers (+9) at Colts

Week 6

49ers (+8) at Redskins

Week 7

Cowboys at 49ers (+8.5)

Week 8

49ers (+7.5) at Eagles

Week 9

Cardinals at 49ers (+3.5)

Week 10

Giants at 49ers (+4.5)

Week 11

BYE

Week 12

Seahawks at 49ers (+7.5)

Week 13

49ers (+4) at Bears

Week 14

49ers (+9) at Texans

Week 15

Titans at 49ers (+3)

Week 16

Jaguars at 49ers (+1)

By those odds, we'll be 1-15 next year. That's not happening. Drafting early next year will be a lottery ticket though.

I'll take the over on our 4.5 win spread.

I am up for 1-15 and get the choice of 1 of the 3 great QBs coming out of the 2018 Draft.

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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
i would bet right now if you could. Those numbers will change for sure

Indeed they will. Those are future spreads, but unfortunately, I don't have future cash at this time

No way we go 1-15. I'm not saying we are that good, I'm saying the rest of the league isn't heads and tails better. We won games with gabbert, kap, historically bad defense and predictable offense.

4-7 wins.

Originally posted by PacTiger:

No way we go 1-15. I'm not saying we are that good, I'm saying the rest of the league isn't heads and tails better. We won games with gabbert, kap, historically bad defense and predictable offense.

4-7 wins.

Reasonable.