Really? Vegas picks us for 4.5 Ws...

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by LVJay:
There are legit proxies here in vegas that provide that service as well

Me and some guys used one some years back for a FF league. I can't remember how it worked because I didn't win. But the winner would get an email or something with the transaction code needed to withdraw the money. It worked well as far as I know.

You'll find a bunch on Twitter. Also, a bunch of bettors offering picks, etc....there's this one guy who is sick with it at hockey (over 65% wins).

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by LVJay:

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Originally posted by CityKing415:

We will shock the league like we did in 2011... all on Hoyers ability and Bows health..

Would appreciate that. However, back then we had a QB that was taken 1st ovr and a solid defense that "just" needed a pass-rusher and a little bit of help in the secondary.
However, this year we seem to have some talent on the defensive side of the ball but we also have a lot of question marks due to new coaching staff, a rookie DC and a new system. And Hoyer, with all due respect to Shanahan, is average at best; there is absolutely potential left.

As I recall (correct me if I'm wrong), Alex got some training in the offseason with a pitching coach plus time with Harbaugh so that was good for us because he did improve a lot from the previous Alex. You're on point about the defense then too.

I'm just enjoying some fine koolaid in here, that's all. However, I'm not going to underestimate Shanny's ability. He's an unknown as far as being a head coach (from coordinator)... he can either be average, which isn't bad for the first year, or he can over achieve. I don't think underachieving is something he does. If a lot of the players turn out to be average / mediocre I'd still say he can pull out 5 wins w/out a doubt. Even with Hoyer, I'm sticking with 7-9

I don't really care for the term over achieving in the NFL if we're talking records. I mean unless a team gets 4 game winning ST TD's, I don't think you really stumble. Am I wrong for saying we could've finished 6-10 or 7-9 last year? I don't think you could say NO Smoke, cause we had chances to WIN ball games, against some good teams too. That, along with the off season, I'm not predicting anything and gonna hope for the best no matter what.

We were so out coached last year, especially in 2nd half of most games (no adjustments)... the upgrade on depth and new coaching staff is why I'm enjoying some fine koolaid. Not only will we look better as a team in 4 qtrs, we'll be in more close games (winning some of them). Can't wait for camp, preseason, then kickoff.

All true, but I'll raise you a couple, LV. Like others, i was very impressed wiht the job harbaw did his first two yrs here, with a team full of high draft picks, but no leader.. But with zilch in player development, Bo Schembechler's O from 4 decades ago, by end of 2013 we were getting routinely outcoached, and whatever talent we had was not getting coached up. By 2014, double down on both those, and harbaw's staying on was already decided, tho he didn't know it at the time. Then we made the amazing space hyper-leap to the incredible tomsul, and finally last yr the chipster. So for me, we have been routinely outcoached each of the last 3 1/2 yrs , and good coaches like Pete the cheat, just ate our lunch....but plenty others did, too. In addition to being outcoached, we were obviously lost, wiht no direction, no spice, mass exodus of talent, shiddy drafts, and to all who noticed, we looked like a rusted out old car sitting up on cinder blocks.

When you look at it in the retrospectoscope, it is a damn good thing the Yorks got a headhunter involved to ferret out the multiple problems, address them and get back to the world of the living. We had been on a respirator, and it was rapidly running low on electricity. When we hit bottom, there was no question about it. Retooling became a complete rebuild job, from the ground up. Currently we have half of the players we had at end of 2016, and thanks to a thotful and careful FA, then what most of us think was a spectacular draft, we are now on track to leave the bottom feeders position in the league, where we had sunk to the height of CLEVE. Hard to believe a team with 5 SB rings at end of the millennium, sank to CLEVE futility as of last couple yrs. Some may not admit it, but there was nowhere left to fall to for us. We WERE bottom. We were so low, when we looked up all we could see was a snake's belly.

Altho the 50% of the team that is gone has been replaced with way better starters, way better depth, Lynch and Kyle made a pre FA, pre Draft decision to finesse the most important part of our weakness this yr , Qb (and WR), in a down yr for QB talent. Once Hoyer was settled on and hired, and Barkley signed on as backup, kyle and lynch went about fixing the remainder of the glaring holes. And it was across the board, being worst at LB, WR, and not solid at OL, RB, DL, and CB. But even with all that, our one biggest problem , and one i did NOT expect to be fixed, F.O, was the underlying suckage point, and it was impossible to scheme a way out of that. Bingo...Lynch is hired as the guy to figure out why we were so inept, and what to do about it. I never saw that coming, but now, in the rear view mirror, it had to have been finally accepted by Mrs York and her husband, that this formerly well respected team had become trash. And the Jedster was at the top of it. They were forced into a simple business decision. Make a massive change in course, or destroy the asset. They were forced into making the right decision. But i still say, i wonder WHO it was that offered up Lynch as the guy to come in and completely change course? And, as it turned out, became the GM. How or who was it that was behind that one absolutely essential decision?

so we'll win less than that. Vegas knows about all the NT homers.

Are our QBs going to be able to throw enough TDs to rack up winning scores?

Originally posted by GoldenGateGlory:

Are our QBs going to be able to throw enough TDs to rack up winning scores?

A strong running game will help that happen. If anything, it helps the play pass.

Does the pass set up the run or the run set up the pass?

Hard to see more than 6 wins with all new coaching and schemes, a lot of rookies and newcomers and especially with Hoyer at QB.

SCHEDULE
Sep 10 Panthers - L
Sep 17 @Seahawks - L
Sep 21 Rams - W
Oct 1 @Cardinals - L
Oct 8 @Colts - L
Oct 15 @Redskins - L
Oct 22 Cowboys - L
Oct 29 @Eagles - L
Nov 5 Cardinals - L
Nov 12 Giants - W
Nov 26 Seahawks - L
Dec 3 @Bears - W
Dec 10 @Texans - L
Dec 17 Titans - W
Dec 24 Jaguars - W
Dec 31 @Rams - W

You have us on a generous run home.

By then we may be playing for draft picks.

Originally posted by Shanahanigans:

Hard to see more than 6 wins with all new coaching and schemes, a lot of rookies and newcomers and especially with Hoyer at QB.

SCHEDULE
Sep 10 Panthers - L
Sep 17 @Seahawks - L
Sep 21 Rams - W
Oct 1 @Cardinals - L
Oct 8 @Colts - L
Oct 15 @Redskins - L
Oct 22 Cowboys - L
Oct 29 @Eagles - L
Nov 5 Cardinals - L
Nov 12 Giants - W
Nov 26 Seahawks - L
Dec 3 @Bears - W
Dec 10 @Texans - L
Dec 17 Titans - W
Dec 24 Jaguars - W
Dec 31 @Rams - W

True, but looking at the weekly point spread, (Vegas), we are 1-15. Now a question for you all with betting experience. How do the oddsmakers in Vegas set the Wins at 4.5, yet on a weekly basis we come out 1-15 given the Vegas weekly point spreads. Someone want to explain that one?

One or the other is wrong!

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

True, but looking at the weekly point spread, (Vegas), we are 1-15. Now a question for you all with betting experience. How do the oddsmakers in Vegas set the Wins at 4.5, yet on a weekly basis we come out 1-15 given the Vegas weekly point spreads. Someone want to explain that one?

Its not always what vegas believes is the win total. The number represents what they think will bring in even bets on both sides.

We win game 1 home opening unleash the new team

EZ 7 Wins Panthers , rams twice, Cardinals, bears,Jaguars, titans.

Seems about right to me. 6-10 record just a little over 4.5