2017 Training Camp Thread

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

General note on "clean outs" of knees... supposedly is what the Josh Garnett problem is, assuming whoever released the report had actual and factual data. I'm not an expert in this but after 16 knee surgeries, including 6 total knee replacements (that means some failed), there were 8 that were regarded as "clean outs". Usually that means broken cartilage, or a broken off piece of cartilage is floating around in the knee joint. A teeny tiny fragment of cartilage, (fibrocartilage is body's response to cartilage injury with scar formation), and this can impede knee movement if a tiny piece of cartilage breaks off or a piece of fibrocartilage breaks free.) This can be a very small procedure, but does not mean that whatever the initial injury was, that it too was involved...it may not be. So if Garnett has some debris floating around in the joint space, it could be a very easy fix...scope goes in, finds floating debris, scope comes out and procedure over. Patient up and moving around almost immediatley . Not playing immediately, but up an around. But it also could mean the injury that started all this is inflamed, involved, and needs removal of scar buildup (fibrocartilage) around the injured site . This would NOT be so simple as for recovery time.

This could truly be a very minor thing, but i was unaware of previous knee problems in Garnett. The fact kyle is expecting his return sometime during the season sounds like this is just a clean out of debris. If once they get in there and see that a previous injury is now a mass of fibrocartilage, then that has to be removed, If cartilage itself has been broken and come loose, that can be removed easily. It is what remains that is the concern.

Agreed. And it's not just the procedure but the time to come back from it and get back into football shape as this offense requires a lot of lateral movement, running and pulling. I suspect he'll be put on I.R. with a designation to return at a later date.

Originally posted by cciowa:

So I see our over payed under achieving linebacker we signed to be a game changer,, yes you pay someone that much and you expect them to be game changer . is out for the year. lol. anyone care to tell me how they are not worried and how we are going to have a top 15 defense?

You must be a blast at parties

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

General note on "clean outs" of knees... supposedly is what the Josh Garnett problem is, assuming whoever released the report had actual and factual data. I'm not an expert in this but after 16 knee surgeries, including 6 total knee replacements (that means some failed), there were 8 that were regarded as "clean outs". Usually that means broken cartilage, or a broken off piece of cartilage is floating around in the knee joint. A teeny tiny fragment of cartilage, (fibrocartilage is body's response to cartilage injury with scar formation), and this can impede knee movement if a tiny piece of cartilage breaks off or a piece of fibrocartilage breaks free.) This can be a very small procedure, but does not mean that whatever the initial injury was, that it too was involved...it may not be. So if Garnett has some debris floating around in the joint space, it could be a very easy fix...scope goes in, finds floating debris, scope comes out and procedure over. Patient up and moving around almost immediatley . Not playing immediately, but up an around. But it also could mean the injury that started all this is inflamed, involved, and needs removal of scar buildup (fibrocartilage) around the injured site . This would NOT be so simple as for recovery time.

This could truly be a very minor thing, but i was unaware of previous knee problems in Garnett. The fact kyle is expecting his return sometime during the season sounds like this is just a clean out of debris. If once they get in there and see that a previous injury is now a mass of fibrocartilage, then that has to be removed, If cartilage itself has been broken and come loose, that can be removed easily. It is what remains that is the concern.

Agreed. And it's not just the procedure but the time to come back from it and get back into football shape as this offense requires a lot of lateral movement, running and pulling. I suspect he'll be put on I.R. with a designation to return at a later date.

Correct, and just because a "clean out" goes well and the guy is out and walking around...that does NOT translate into playing football. NFL football. There is , as you say, a time for healing, slow , easy recovery process, don't rush it type attitude, and then see where you are "x" amount of time down the road. And if all goes well and whatever is done is marginal, ie, no massive "big fix", then maybe half a season in, perhaps Garnett could get some practice time in. Meantime he can do all sorts of rehab which can accelerate the healing process. Building up muscle around the knee joint, being paramount of all things. Any kind of support you can give the knee is welcomed, and is the one and only way i know of to help the end result. Needless to say, all muscle building around the knee should be done without causing irritation and inflammation of the repaired area.

It is patently obvious that if you are having OL play ZBS, that due to lateral movement, it is best to have guys with NO previous knee problems than OLs who have had knee surgeries or knee problems. So there is that ...

The defense was not as bad as Cohn is making it out to be. There were plenty of times a lb was in the backfield, and had it been a real game, would have probably sacked the QB but they pulled up because they're not allowed to bulldoze the QB during practice.

If anything, the OL worries me more then any other position group. The DL shut down the run game pretty well and were also getting pressure on pass pass plays.

To be honest, the only thing I could say with certainty after watching the practice is that Matt Barkley f**king sucks.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Long ass line just for training camp lmao. Whos here?

Dude why would anyone wait in that line for an open practice? We rolled in at 10 parked in the great America parking lot as we already have that pass. Walked right in and sat down 5 rows back on the 50. The store and museum were a s**tshow. I will say props on the organization for free food and drinks. But man I will say this...Levi's Stadium hands down is easily the worst designed modern day stadium. Seriously confused how in this day in age they could f**k something up like that.

Originally posted by miked1978:

1. I dont think anyone had very high expectations from him.

2. We drafted Rueben Foster.

3. We have 1 billlion in cap space.

4. We are in year 1 of a rebuild

5. We aren't playoff contenders

So no i'm not worried at all.

All of this.

Originally posted by wailers15:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Long ass line just for training camp lmao. Whos here?

Dude why would anyone wait in that line for an open practice? We rolled in at 10 parked in the great America parking lot as we already have that pass. Walked right in and sat down 5 rows back on the 50. The store and museum were a s**tshow. I will say props on the organization for free food and drinks. But man I will say this...Levi's Stadium hands down is easily the worst designed modern day stadium. Seriously confused how in this day in age they could f**k something up like that.

Not a bad seat in the house. Consessions and bathrooms easily accessible

Originally posted by tohara3:

Can't wait to see this team on Friday night in Kansas City. Hopefully we can get healthy before the game Friday night!

Me too!

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
General note on "clean outs" of knees... supposedly is what the Josh Garnett problem is, assuming whoever released the report had actual and factual data. I'm not an expert in this but after 16 knee surgeries, including 6 total knee replacements (that means some failed), there were 8 that were regarded as "clean outs". Usually that means broken cartilage, or a broken off piece of cartilage is floating around in the knee joint. A teeny tiny fragment of cartilage, (fibrocartilage is body's response to cartilage injury with scar formation), and this can impede knee movement if a tiny piece of cartilage breaks off or a piece of fibrocartilage breaks free.) This can be a very small procedure, but does not mean that whatever the initial injury was, that it too was involved...it may not be. So if Garnett has some debris floating around in the joint space, it could be a very easy fix...scope goes in, finds floating debris, scope comes out and procedure over. Patient up and moving around almost immediatley . Not playing immediately, but up an around. But it also could mean the injury that started all this is inflamed, involved, and needs removal of scar buildup (fibrocartilage) around the injured site . This would NOT be so simple as for recovery time.

This could truly be a very minor thing, but i was unaware of previous knee problems in Garnett. The fact kyle is expecting his return sometime during the season sounds like this is just a clean out of debris. If once they get in there and see that a previous injury is now a mass of fibrocartilage, then that has to be removed, If cartilage itself has been broken and come loose, that can be removed easily. It is what remains that is the concern.

Agreed. And it's not just the procedure but the time to come back from it and get back into football shape as this offense requires a lot of lateral movement, running and pulling. I suspect he'll be put on I.R. with a designation to return at a later date.

Correct, and just because a "clean out" goes well and the guy is out and walking around...that does NOT translate into playing football. NFL football. There is , as you say, a time for healing, slow , easy recovery process, don't rush it type attitude, and then see where you are "x" amount of time down the road. And if all goes well and whatever is done is marginal, ie, no massive "big fix", then maybe half a season in, perhaps Garnett could get some practice time in. Meantime he can do all sorts of rehab which can accelerate the healing process. Building up muscle around the knee joint, being paramount of all things. Any kind of support you can give the knee is welcomed, and is the one and only way i know of to help the end result. Needless to say, all muscle building around the knee should be done without causing irritation and inflammation of the repaired area.

It is patently obvious that if you are having OL play ZBS, that due to lateral movement, it is best to have guys with NO previous knee problems than OLs who have had knee surgeries or knee problems. So there is that ...

I'm wondering if knee injuries are going to be a problem with Kyle's lateral blocking schemes. If so, maybe a protective knee brace for the O LInemen? I mean the outside zone run involves a lot of side to side movement vs a power run scheme with more forward and backward movement.

Nearly all OL in football nowadays wear knee braces.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by cciowa:
So I see our over payed under achieving linebacker we signed to be a game changer,, yes you pay someone that much and you expect them to be game changer . is out for the year. lol. anyone care to tell me how they are not worried and how we are going to have a top 15 defense?

1. I dont think anyone had very high expectations from him.

2. We drafted Rueben Foster.

3. We have 1 billlion in cap space.

4. We are in year 1 of a rebuild

5. We aren't playoff contenders

So no i'm not worried at all.

you had no hopes for him?? oh my god,,, so you are fine with lynch backing up the truck and shelling out a s**t load of money for this guy. a guy that you had no hope for?? i have no idea what to say. so we have a bunch of money in salary cap space. its fine to give a bunch of it to a player who you had no hopes for in the first place and we are fine?? wow. you pay someone that much.. you expect him to be a game changer.. otherwise why give it to him?? jesus around here

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by cciowa:
So I see our over payed under achieving linebacker we signed to be a game changer,, yes you pay someone that much and you expect them to be game changer . is out for the year. lol. anyone care to tell me how they are not worried and how we are going to have a top 15 defense?

You must be a blast at parties

nice but what did i say that was wrong?

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by cciowa:

So I see our over payed under achieving linebacker we signed to be a game changer,, yes you pay someone that much and you expect them to be game changer . is out for the year. lol. anyone care to tell me how they are not worried and how we are going to have a top 15 defense?

You must be a blast at parties

nice but what did i say that was wrong?

You said nothing wrong. I also think people have unrealistic expectations but I'm hoping I'm wrong.
Hopefully some guys will get cut that we can pick up to give us a little depth.
We have the cap space

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by cciowa:

So I see our over payed under achieving linebacker we signed to be a game changer,, yes you pay someone that much and you expect them to be game changer . is out for the year. lol. anyone care to tell me how they are not worried and how we are going to have a top 15 defense?

You must be a blast at parties

nice but what did i say that was wrong?

Originally posted by jeepzilla:
You said nothing wrong. I also think people have unrealistic expectations but I'm hoping I'm wrong.
Hopefully some guys will get cut that we can pick up to give us a little depth.
We have the cap space

we have to pick up a linebacker.. probably can get someone as good as smith for less money