Originally posted by Giedi:Originally posted by pasodoc9er:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by pasodoc9er:General note on "clean outs" of knees... supposedly is what the Josh Garnett problem is, assuming whoever released the report had actual and factual data. I'm not an expert in this but after 16 knee surgeries, including 6 total knee replacements (that means some failed), there were 8 that were regarded as "clean outs". Usually that means broken cartilage, or a broken off piece of cartilage is floating around in the knee joint. A teeny tiny fragment of cartilage, (fibrocartilage is body's response to cartilage injury with scar formation), and this can impede knee movement if a tiny piece of cartilage breaks off or a piece of fibrocartilage breaks free.) This can be a very small procedure, but does not mean that whatever the initial injury was, that it too was involved...it may not be. So if Garnett has some debris floating around in the joint space, it could be a very easy fix...scope goes in, finds floating debris, scope comes out and procedure over. Patient up and moving around almost immediatley . Not playing immediately, but up an around. But it also could mean the injury that started all this is inflamed, involved, and needs removal of scar buildup (fibrocartilage) around the injured site . This would NOT be so simple as for recovery time.
This could truly be a very minor thing, but i was unaware of previous knee problems in Garnett. The fact kyle is expecting his return sometime during the season sounds like this is just a clean out of debris. If once they get in there and see that a previous injury is now a mass of fibrocartilage, then that has to be removed, If cartilage itself has been broken and come loose, that can be removed easily. It is what remains that is the concern.
Agreed. And it's not just the procedure but the time to come back from it and get back into football shape as this offense requires a lot of lateral movement, running and pulling. I suspect he'll be put on I.R. with a designation to return at a later date.
Correct, and just because a "clean out" goes well and the guy is out and walking around...that does NOT translate into playing football. NFL football. There is , as you say, a time for healing, slow , easy recovery process, don't rush it type attitude, and then see where you are "x" amount of time down the road. And if all goes well and whatever is done is marginal, ie, no massive "big fix", then maybe half a season in, perhaps Garnett could get some practice time in. Meantime he can do all sorts of rehab which can accelerate the healing process. Building up muscle around the knee joint, being paramount of all things. Any kind of support you can give the knee is welcomed, and is the one and only way i know of to help the end result. Needless to say, all muscle building around the knee should be done without causing irritation and inflammation of the repaired area.
It is patently obvious that if you are having OL play ZBS, that due to lateral movement, it is best to have guys with NO previous knee problems than OLs who have had knee surgeries or knee problems. So there is that ...
I'm wondering if knee injuries are going to be a problem with Kyle's lateral blocking schemes. If so, maybe a protective knee brace for the O LInemen? I mean the outside zone run involves a lot of side to side movement vs a power run scheme with more forward and backward movement.
Originally posted by Giedi:Originally posted by pasodoc9er:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by pasodoc9er:General note on "clean outs" of knees... supposedly is what the Josh Garnett problem is, assuming whoever released the report had actual and factual data. I'm not an expert in this but after 16 knee surgeries, including 6 total knee replacements (that means some failed), there were 8 that were regarded as "clean outs". Usually that means broken cartilage, or a broken off piece of cartilage is floating around in the knee joint. A teeny tiny fragment of cartilage, (fibrocartilage is body's response to cartilage injury with scar formation), and this can impede knee movement if a tiny piece of cartilage breaks off or a piece of fibrocartilage breaks free.) This can be a very small procedure, but does not mean that whatever the initial injury was, that it too was involved...it may not be. So if Garnett has some debris floating around in the joint space, it could be a very easy fix...scope goes in, finds floating debris, scope comes out and procedure over. Patient up and moving around almost immediatley . Not playing immediately, but up an around. But it also could mean the injury that started all this is inflamed, involved, and needs removal of scar buildup (fibrocartilage) around the injured site . This would NOT be so simple as for recovery time.
This could truly be a very minor thing, but i was unaware of previous knee problems in Garnett. The fact kyle is expecting his return sometime during the season sounds like this is just a clean out of debris. If once they get in there and see that a previous injury is now a mass of fibrocartilage, then that has to be removed, If cartilage itself has been broken and come loose, that can be removed easily. It is what remains that is the concern.
Agreed. And it's not just the procedure but the time to come back from it and get back into football shape as this offense requires a lot of lateral movement, running and pulling. I suspect he'll be put on I.R. with a designation to return at a later date.
Correct, and just because a "clean out" goes well and the guy is out and walking around...that does NOT translate into playing football. NFL football. There is , as you say, a time for healing, slow , easy recovery process, don't rush it type attitude, and then see where you are "x" amount of time down the road. And if all goes well and whatever is done is marginal, ie, no massive "big fix", then maybe half a season in, perhaps Garnett could get some practice time in. Meantime he can do all sorts of rehab which can accelerate the healing process. Building up muscle around the knee joint, being paramount of all things. Any kind of support you can give the knee is welcomed, and is the one and only way i know of to help the end result. Needless to say, all muscle building around the knee should be done without causing irritation and inflammation of the repaired area.
It is patently obvious that if you are having OL play ZBS, that due to lateral movement, it is best to have guys with NO previous knee problems than OLs who have had knee surgeries or knee problems. So there is that ...
I'm wondering if knee injuries are going to be a problem with Kyle's lateral blocking schemes. If so, maybe a protective knee brace for the O LInemen? I mean the outside zone run involves a lot of side to side movement vs a power run scheme with more forward and backward movement.
I've actually tried on the large steel shank brace that you see so many big OL and some DLs use. It is a forward or backward brace, but not too sure how that would work laterally. Poorly i would imagine. Or you could take a step laterally and fall sideways. Probably not a ZBS brace.
Hmm, another double quote and I'm not sure how i did that. Regarding braces, there are many different models out there, but for absolute best brace, go to an orthotics shop and they will actually build the one brace best for what you do. I'd bet anything, most braces you see today are tailor made . I've had two for different uses, and both worked well. You know there is no brace built that these guys cannot afford (or the team that is.)
[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Aug 6, 2017 at 12:33 PM ]
