The Iron-Pyrite-Lining Thread (Negative people come on in!)

Originally posted by NCommand:
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Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not to mention our OWN choke job where actual play calling killed our perfect Superbowl record vs. execution issues (Atlanta) where play calling was fine given the context of the game.

Kap had 3 choices of plays at any given time. One run that looked like it would have worked had he been able to call that play in time.

Matt had a play that would have worked had there not been a blown block.

Both are execution issues.

"You just have to do your best job to execute the play that's called." ~ Colin Kaepernick

But I was talking about play calling and poor situational awareness and poor preparation the entire game, not just the final 4 plays although those were a microcosm of all our offensive issues as well, wrapped up in one nice package too.

Yeah Kap just yelled KILL 400 times a game because he never changed a play.

Yep you're right. It's not like they outscored Baltimore 25-13 in the second half and only lost by 1 score. I guess the players just ignored the coaches in the second half?

I guess it's Tom Rathmans fault LaMike fumbled the ball.
It was Geeps fault that Kap threw a INT.
Vics fault the DB's fell down and blew coverage on a long TD pass.
Clearly the ST coaches fault that 4 holding calls were missed on a 108 yard kick return.

Lets see how much you blame Kyle when our QB throws an INT. lol

Originally posted by paulk205:

Sure, but it does help to try to play keepball a little, especially when it's obvious that your defence is gassed. Even colossal Boston homers like Bill Simmons agreed that the only way the comeback could have happened is for Atlanta's bizarre insistence to refuse to run the clock out (in general, not just when in FG range). We can dress it up any way we want, say that it's the HC's and not the OC's responsibility, that they got there by being aggressive, yadda^3, but for me it walks like a choke and quacks like a choke. Either way, the team choked, and our genius coach was associated, and was arguably instrumental, in this failure.

I have to stress here that these are fears, not convictions. The whole of the forum is full of kool-aid threads, just like every other sports fan forum is before training camp. Everybody starts at 0-0. All rookies are potential stars, all FAs the best possible fits, new coaching regimes will turn things round (especially if they have bona fide "geniuses", or "whisperers", or "experts"). It's great. That's why we keep coming back. I also watch stupid videos with players in shorts making great TC plays, just as I am ecstatic at every Spring Training home run, or every time the new vaunted Arsenal signing (another painful story, right there) scores a wondergoal against Shanghai Select XI in mid-July. But this is the FeS2 Thread and where the rose tinted glasses should come off. This is where fears should be expressed. They are not any more "rational" than all the delusional hopes that every break will fall right, and every rookie will pan out, and nobody will get injured, and noone ever calls the wrong play, ever. They're emotions, not reason. But they're as legitimate, and as likely, as those emotions found in the silver, golden, or cubic zirconia lining threads.

As for Cousins. Bully for the man, a lower rounder who has made good, and outperformed expectations (not to mention his ridiculously hyped co-draftee who BTW was partly ruined by our genius as part of the wider Genius Trust then running Washington). I like the man, and the "you like that?" moment should fill with hope every one of us who has felt like an underdog in life. I think he has proved himself as eminently serviceable. He's certainly more proven than Matt Cassel Mk2 over in Boston (or should I say Elvis Grbac MkII?), who will make a packet for making 4-5 good starts with an all time great team. But to wait for him like the second coming of [insert favourite redeemer, religious or secular] is a bit thick. He may prove great. He may prove awful. He almost certainly will prove "all right". And he will definitely prove expensive. Which brings me to: you don't just spend cap space because you have it. By all means spend some on FA, heck, even Cousins if he's the best out there and you think it will work out. But he will not be a guaranteed success, and worrying about spending the sorts of cash that are being thrown around as possible deals when the team sucks on every level and in every position, well, it makes me a little uncomfortable.

BTW, I hope that all those Trubisky comments are not meant for me. I was (and am) a Thomas fanboi in this draft, and change colours and get spots when I think of the entirely unproven QB class of this year's draft. Even Grbac/Cassel Jr would have been better than any of them.

The comeback happened when ATL's D couldn't stop a nosebleed in the 2nd half....I have no problem keeping the ball in the MVP of the league's hands when it matters most, especially when they're stopping the run at will. That's how they got to the SB is by being aggressive...is what it is and I'm glad our HC learned from it. Winning and losing is on the WHOLE team not just the OC....they fired the DC after that game, you think they'd fire Kyle? I doubt it.

if all the hope and praise of training camp bothers you then take a break and come back in Sept FYI any realistic fan shouldn't be expecting a one yr turnaround...Baalke and Co. left this team in a flaming pile of dog s**t.

As far as Kirk and Shanny in DC...you're clearly upset that Kyle was named the HC and not McDaniels you can say it it's okay lol. I was on the Josh train but in no way do I feel Kyle isn't good enough to be a top-end HC in this league. Either one would have been a huge + to the trash we had the past two seasons. Josh learned from his issues and I'm hoping shanny will as well. One other think is mike isn't here it's all Kyle he's in charge. Snyder was just as much the issue there with RG3...dude isn't a great QB and it got exposed, crazy how the guy kyle wanted is the guy looking to get paid and RG3 isn't on a team.

I think you're the one hyping up Kirk not any of us...he's a top 10 QB in this league, stats prove it. QB's overall are expensive and you're not winning in this league without a good one....what the f**k is the point of sitting on all this cash, make a move to better the team and you can't make a team any better than bringing in a top 10 QB when you haven't had one in like 20 yrs lol. I get the not spending money because you have it idea...we NEVER spend the money and it's gotten us where? I won't discredit Kirk because he was a 4th rd pick that's for sure...

Like I said it's not like we only have enough cash to get Kirk, we will STILL have a TON of space if it happens. You know what else isnt a guarantee? Drafting a QB.

I'll put my faith in the guys running the team, if they think Kirk is the man I'm down if they want to draft a guy I'm down.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NCommand:
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"You just have to do your best job to execute the play that's called." ~ Colin Kaepernick

But I was talking about play calling and poor situational awareness and poor preparation the entire game, not just the final 4 plays although those were a microcosm of all our offensive issues as well, wrapped up in one nice package too.

Not to bring up those bad memories or derail this thread but when you have two weeks to prepare for the biggest game of your life and you come out with an illegal formation penalty...well that's just bad prep by the coaches. For all the love Harbaugh got that was a game we should've won 9 times out of 10.

10/10. We had much more talent and depth IMHO. Granted, the Ravens got to play with a separate set of rules that Jim was unaware of but...

still get f**king pissed off at the blatant holds on bruce miller on that kickoff return.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NCommand:
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"You just have to do your best job to execute the play that's called." ~ Colin Kaepernick

But I was talking about play calling and poor situational awareness and poor preparation the entire game, not just the final 4 plays although those were a microcosm of all our offensive issues as well, wrapped up in one nice package too.

Not to bring up those bad memories or derail this thread but when you have two weeks to prepare for the biggest game of your life and you come out with an illegal formation penalty...well that's just bad prep by the coaches. For all the love Harbaugh got that was a game we should've won 9 times out of 10.

10/10. We had much more talent and depth IMHO. Granted, the Ravens got to play with a separate set of rules that Jim was unaware of but...

still get f**king pissed off at the blatant holds on bruce miller on that kickoff return.

that was the coaches fault!

lol

Also the coaches fault that Kap didn't make all the right choices in his 10th career start and was out played by a 5 year veteran starting his 84th game. UNREAL! WTGJ

Originally posted by NYniner85:

The comeback happened when ATL's D couldn't stop a nosebleed in the 2nd half....I have no problem keeping the ball in the MVP of the league's hands when it matters most, especially when they're stopping the run at will. That's how they got to the SB is by being aggressive...is what it is and I'm glad our HC learned from it. Winning and losing is on the WHOLE team not just the OC....they fired the DC after that game, you think they'd fire Kyle? I doubt it.

if all the hope and praise of training camp bothers you then take a break and come back in Sept FYI any realistic fan shouldn't be expecting a one yr turnaround...Baalke and Co. left this team in a flaming pile of dog s**t.

As far as Kirk and Shanny in DC...you're clearly upset that Kyle was named the HC and not McDaniels you can say it it's okay lol. I was on the Josh train but in no way do I feel Kyle isn't good enough to be a top-end HC in this league. Either one would have been a huge + to the trash we had the past two seasons. Josh learned from his issues and I'm hoping shanny will as well. One other think is mike isn't here it's all Kyle he's in charge. Snyder was just as much the issue there with RG3...dude isn't a great QB and it got exposed, crazy how the guy kyle wanted is the guy looking to get paid and RG3 isn't on a team.

I think you're the one hyping up Kirk not any of us...he's a top 10 QB in this league, stats prove it. QB's overall are expensive and you're not winning in this league without a good one....what the f**k is the point of sitting on all this cash, make a move to better the team and you can't make a team any better than bringing in a top 10 QB when you haven't had one in like 20 yrs lol. I get the not spending money because you have it idea...we NEVER spend the money and it's gotten us where? I won't discredit Kirk because he was a 4th rd pick that's for sure...

Like I said it's not like we only have enough cash to get Kirk, we will STILL have a TON of space if it happens. You know what else isnt a guarantee? Drafting a QB.

I'll put my faith in the guys running the team, if they think Kirk is the man I'm down if they want to draft a guy I'm down.

Good Post !

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I was going by OP original post, which was fair imo. Further responses reveal a man crush for Trub which is ok too. This will take a few years but I think next off season we need to do what it takes to get a long term fqb

no doubt we need that FQB. question worth consideration is: what, exactly, makes a FQB?

Are you being serious or condescending?

very serious--I'm in no position to be condescending. I'm just a fan like you. I have to add that I was impressed with Shanahan's list of traits he looks for in a qb--which included arm strength, toughness, ability to read a defense and distribute the ball to the right receiver, quick release, etc. Things worth thinking about. imho

Honestly wasn't sure if you were trolling or not lol thanks.

Yes, my idea of a fqb is a qb who leads the offense and the team. A guy opposing teams respect and fear cause he can beat you. Lets be real - aside Kap's first season before his legs were figured out, we have not had a QB anyone fears because i agree - its mental. Can we have a damn QB that can READ a D?!

Hoyer is a nice veteran pickup, but it would be nice to draft a 1st rounder next year and hope/watch him grow.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NCommand:

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"You just have to do your best job to execute the play that's called." ~ Colin Kaepernick

But I was talking about play calling and poor situational awareness and poor preparation the entire game, not just the final 4 plays although those were a microcosm of all our offensive issues as well, wrapped up in one nice package too.

Not to bring up those bad memories or derail this thread but when you have two weeks to prepare for the biggest game of your life and you come out with an illegal formation penalty...well that's just bad prep by the coaches. For all the love Harbaugh got that was a game we should've won 9 times out of 10.

10/10. We had much more talent and depth IMHO. Granted, the Ravens got to play with a separate set of rules that Jim was unaware of but...

still get f**king pissed off at the blatant holds on bruce miller on that kickoff return.

that was the coaches fault!

lol

Also the coaches fault that Kap didn't make all the right choices in his 10th career start and was out played by a 5 year veteran starting his 84th game. UNREAL! WTGJ

Yea funny how in one circumstance it was Kap's & Jim's fault in our loss, but in Atlanta's loss, it was clearly the patriots just stepping up at the right moment and Kyle called everything right! Lol

What's also funny is how these FQB's are the save all for the teams in some people's eyes.

Flacco, Rivers, Carr now, Luck, Kirk now, etc how has that worked out for those teams, lol

Don't get it twisted now, it takes a quality qb to "help" your team win, but It still takes a whole team, especially a defense...

Brady's defense has been ranked how high in all his SB years? Look it up.. pretty high..

And brady, who got the qb job because Bledsoe got lit up wasn't this great qb... it took years for him to develop, behind what??? A Stellar defense each year!

And Bellacheat put brady in due to bledsoes injury so it's not like Bellacheat had this great foresight to put brady in.
And Bledsoe was playing at a pretty high level.. wasn't Bledsoe considered a "FQB".

Quality qb play and stellar defense's give the best chance to win, and win big.

Originally posted by paulk205:

Originally posted by paulk205:

It was a legit post about my fears on the team.

Oh, and I forgot to mention again our genius coach had the greatest choke job in the history of the SB, and the second worst in the history of the playoffs only after Houston's collapse vs Buffalo. And that our great hope for redemption is that an overrated former teacher's pet in the NFL's second most dysfunctional franchise will choose the NFL's most dysfunctional franchise next offseason as the source for his exorbitant contract who will cripple their cap space for years. Woo-hoo! I feel full of hope.

GREAT POSTS Paulk205! Keep posting!

Originally posted by defenderDX:

still get f**king pissed off at the blatant holds on bruce miller on that kickoff return.

Take your pick! There were about 5 game changing calls or non-calls that sunk us as much as our s**tty first half and final 4 play calls. Me too...it was a complete injustice and reeked of an NFL doing everything they could to ensure Ray Lewis got his Last Ride.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Yeah Kap just yelled KILL 400 times a game because he never changed a play.

Yep you're right. It's not like they outscored Baltimore 25-13 in the second half and only lost by 1 score. I guess the players just ignored the coaches in the second half?

I guess it's Tom Rathmans fault LaMike fumbled the ball.
It was Geeps fault that Kap threw a INT.
Vics fault the DB's fell down and blew coverage on a long TD pass.
Clearly the ST coaches fault that 4 holding calls were missed on a 108 yard kick return.

Lets see how much you blame Kyle when our QB throws an INT. lol

LMAO...you just covered standard QB cadence to Geep to Rathman to Fangio to ST coaches to refs to Kyle to our current QB to...

Man, if you move the goal posts anymore, the whole stadium will collapse!

Originally posted by jeepzilla:

Originally posted by paulk205:

Originally posted by paulk205:

It was a legit post about my fears on the team.

Oh, and I forgot to mention again our genius coach had the greatest choke job in the history of the SB, and the second worst in the history of the playoffs only after Houston's collapse vs Buffalo. And that our great hope for redemption is that an overrated former teacher's pet in the NFL's second most dysfunctional franchise will choose the NFL's most dysfunctional franchise next offseason as the source for his exorbitant contract who will cripple their cap space for years. Woo-hoo! I feel full of hope.

GREAT POSTS Paulk205! Keep posting!

But it wasn't the greatest choke job...Pete in Seattle was the biggest choke job or Scott Norwood in buffalo come to mind.

It's funny fans get all butt hurt when "their" draft picks or coaches dont get the job, like we all know more than an NFL organizations.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SoCold:
Yeah Kap just yelled KILL 400 times a game because he never changed a play.

Yep you're right. It's not like they outscored Baltimore 25-13 in the second half and only lost by 1 score. I guess the players just ignored the coaches in the second half?

I guess it's Tom Rathmans fault LaMike fumbled the ball.
It was Geeps fault that Kap threw a INT.
Vics fault the DB's fell down and blew coverage on a long TD pass.
Clearly the ST coaches fault that 4 holding calls were missed on a 108 yard kick return.

Lets see how much you blame Kyle when our QB throws an INT. lol

LMAO...you just covered standard QB cadence to Geep to Rathman to Fangio to ST coaches to refs to Kyle to our current QB to...

Man, if you move the goal posts anymore, the whole stadium will collapse!

Just showing how silly it is to say the coaches are to blame for the loss then give them no credit for almost coming back and winning.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Yeah Kap just yelled KILL 400 times a game because he never changed a play.

Yep you're right. It's not like they outscored Baltimore 25-13 in the second half and only lost by 1 score. I guess the players just ignored the coaches in the second half?

I guess it's Tom Rathmans fault LaMike fumbled the ball.
It was Geeps fault that Kap threw a INT.
Vics fault the DB's fell down and blew coverage on a long TD pass.
Clearly the ST coaches fault that 4 holding calls were missed on a 108 yard kick return.

Lets see how much you blame Kyle when our QB throws an INT. lol

LMAO...you just covered standard QB cadence to Geep to Rathman to Fangio to ST coaches to refs to Kyle to our current QB to...

Man, if you move the goal posts anymore, the whole stadium will collapse!

Just showing how silly it is to say the coaches are to blame for the loss then give them no credit for almost coming back and winning.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SoCold:
Yeah Kap just yelled KILL 400 times a game because he never changed a play.

Yep you're right. It's not like they outscored Baltimore 25-13 in the second half and only lost by 1 score. I guess the players just ignored the coaches in the second half?

I guess it's Tom Rathmans fault LaMike fumbled the ball.
It was Geeps fault that Kap threw a INT.
Vics fault the DB's fell down and blew coverage on a long TD pass.
Clearly the ST coaches fault that 4 holding calls were missed on a 108 yard kick return.

Lets see how much you blame Kyle when our QB throws an INT. lol

LMAO...you just covered standard QB cadence to Geep to Rathman to Fangio to ST coaches to refs to Kyle to our current QB to...

Man, if you move the goal posts anymore, the whole stadium will collapse!

Just showing how silly it is to say the coaches are to blame for the loss then give them no credit for almost coming back and winning.

great analysis

Originally posted by NYniner85:

But it wasn't the greatest choke job...Pete in Seattle was the biggest choke job or Scott Norwood in buffalo come to mind.

It's funny fans get all butt hurt when "their" draft picks or coaches dont get the job, like we all know more than an NFL organizations.

...the premise for this whole thread and it's supporters.

I mocked Trubisky and liked McDaniels too but I'm WAY more happy with getting ShanaLynch and Thomas, Foster, others and extra draft picks.

We'll have to revisit years from now but so far, so good.