The Iron-Pyrite-Lining Thread (Negative people come on in!)

Originally posted by jeepzilla:
Yea funny how in one circumstance it was Kap's & Jim's fault in our loss, but in Atlanta's loss, it was clearly the patriots just stepping up at the right moment and Kyle called everything right! Lol

What's also funny is how these FQB's are the save all for the teams in some people's eyes.

Flacco, Rivers, Carr now, Luck, Kirk now, etc how has that worked out for those teams, lol

Don't get it twisted now, it takes a quality qb to "help" your team win, but It still takes a whole team, especially a defense...

Brady's defense has been ranked how high in all his SB years? Look it up.. pretty high..

And brady, who got the qb job because Bledsoe got lit up wasn't this great qb... it took years for him to develop, behind what??? A Stellar defense each year!

And Bellacheat put brady in due to bledsoes injury so it's not like Bellacheat had this great foresight to put brady in.
And Bledsoe was playing at a pretty high level.. wasn't Bledsoe considered a "FQB".

Quality qb play and stellar defense's give the best chance to win, and win big.

Where to begin with this...

1. Our team was WAY more talented than the Ravens in 2012 and we got our asses handed to us in the first half. That shows a major sign of being unprepared to face a lesser talented team coached by the guy he knew incredibly close.

2. Nobody said Kyle called everything right but that offense was nearly impossible to stop due to Kyle's playcalling and the players on that roster. This is arguably one of the better offensive playcallers in the game with one of the best offenses in the league squaring up against one of the best defensive coaches in the game. However blaming Shanahan for choking away the SB is incredibly dumb when the team had a 28-3 lead that they blew. How you can blame the offensive coordinator for that is beyond me...

3. If you find that elite QB you will have a chance to get into the playoffs every season. Yes you need a good team or one guy isn't doing much but to win a SB with a mediocre QB you need studs pretty much everywhere else. What's easier to do build a decent team around a great QB or build a great team around a decent QB? Simple math there...1 vs 21. And I'd say Ravens are pretty happy with Flacco and the SB he won them. Rivers hasn't had much help and Carr is looking great.

4. Brady has won with pretty much every team put around him. His defenses have not been THAT impressive. You want to see a QB with crazy defenses? Check our very own Joe Montana.

5. Brady showed enough his rookie season to be kept on the roster as a 4th QB. Want to tell me how often teams keep 4 QBs on the roster with that 4th QB being a 6th round pick? Obviously he showed something to Belichick(Bellacheat...really? What are you 5?) and it takes balls to keep a guy like that on the roster and cut someone at another position.

6. Brady led the league in TDs his second season starting with scrubs to throw to. The idea that it took him years to develop is just inaccurate. The first season the Pats actually made it a point to get him some weapons he broke all sorts of passing records and was one miracle play by Eli and the Giants away from winning his 4th SB with a perfect record.

You final point is accurate. It's difficult to win games if you don't have a good team and especially a good defense but everything above that point is supremely flawed.

Originally posted by NCommand:

We'll have to revisit years from now but so far, so good.

Yep. Niners are having a killer July.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by NCommand:

We'll have to revisit years from now but so far, so good.

Yep. Niners are having a killer July.

About as good as the bears or any team in july

Originally posted by NCommand:

...the premise for this whole thread and it's supporters.

I mocked Trubisky and liked McDaniels too but I'm WAY more happy with getting ShanaLynch and Thomas, Foster, others and extra draft picks.

We'll have to revisit years from now but so far, so good.

I will say I thought Mitch was the best QB in a weak QB class...we will know more in a couple yrs but as of right now I agree I'd rather have Thomas, foster, and a 2nd/3rd in 2018 vs Mitch.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

But it wasn't the greatest choke job...Pete in Seattle was the biggest choke job or Scott Norwood in buffalo come to mind.

It's funny fans get all butt hurt when "their" draft picks or coaches dont get the job, like we all know more than an NFL organizations.

...the premise for this whole thread and it's supporters.

I mocked Trubisky and liked McDaniels too but I'm WAY more happy with getting ShanaLynch and Thomas, Foster, others and extra draft picks.

We'll have to revisit years from now but so far, so good.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jeepzilla:
Yea funny how in one circumstance it was Kap's & Jim's fault in our loss, but in Atlanta's loss, it was clearly the patriots just stepping up at the right moment and Kyle called everything right! Lol

What's also funny is how these FQB's are the save all for the teams in some people's eyes.

Flacco, Rivers, Carr now, Luck, Kirk now, etc how has that worked out for those teams, lol

Don't get it twisted now, it takes a quality qb to "help" your team win, but It still takes a whole team, especially a defense...

Brady's defense has been ranked how high in all his SB years? Look it up.. pretty high..

And brady, who got the qb job because Bledsoe got lit up wasn't this great qb... it took years for him to develop, behind what??? A Stellar defense each year!

And Bellacheat put brady in due to bledsoes injury so it's not like Bellacheat had this great foresight to put brady in.
And Bledsoe was playing at a pretty high level.. wasn't Bledsoe considered a "FQB".

Quality qb play and stellar defense's give the best chance to win, and win big.

Where to begin with this...

1. Our team was WAY more talented than the Ravens in 2012 and we got our asses handed to us in the first half. That shows a major sign of being unprepared to face a lesser talented team coached by the guy he knew incredibly close.

2. Nobody said Kyle called everything right but that offense was nearly impossible to stop due to Kyle's playcalling and the players on that roster. This is arguably one of the better offensive playcallers in the game with one of the best offenses in the league squaring up against one of the best defensive coaches in the game. However blaming Shanahan for choking away the SB is incredibly dumb when the team had a 28-3 lead that they blew. How you can blame the offensive coordinator for that is beyond me...

3. If you find that elite QB you will have a chance to get into the playoffs every season. Yes you need a good team or one guy isn't doing much but to win a SB with a mediocre QB you need studs pretty much everywhere else. What's easier to do build a decent team around a great QB or build a great team around a decent QB? Simple math there...1 vs 21. And I'd say Ravens are pretty happy with Flacco and the SB he won them. Rivers hasn't had much help and Carr is looking great.

4. Brady has won with pretty much every team put around him. His defenses have not been THAT impressive. You want to see a QB with crazy defenses? Check our very own Joe Montana.

5. Brady showed enough his rookie season to be kept on the roster as a 4th QB. Want to tell me how often teams keep 4 QBs on the roster with that 4th QB being a 6th round pick? Obviously he showed something to Belichick(Bellacheat...really? What are you 5?) and it takes balls to keep a guy like that on the roster and cut someone at another position.

6. Brady led the league in TDs his second season starting with scrubs to throw to. The idea that it took him years to develop is just inaccurate. The first season the Pats actually made it a point to get him some weapons he broke all sorts of passing records and was one miracle play by Eli and the Giants away from winning his 4th SB with a perfect record.

You final point is accurate. It's difficult to win games if you don't have a good team and especially a good defense but everything above that point is supremely flawed.

were did all this WAY more talented stuff come from? From looking at stats? lol

If you had the choice of starting the SB with a QB who's a 5 year vet or a guy starting his 10th career game who would you take?

Lets not forget Baltimore needed a miracle play to beat Denver then get an off day from Brady throwing two INTs in the playoffs to even make the SB
SF needed a record breaking rushing day from Kap to beat GB and a non PI call in Atlanta to hold onto that win just to make the SB.

It was a miracle the Harbros. SB even happened. lol

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jeepzilla:

Yea funny how in one circumstance it was Kap's & Jim's fault in our loss, but in Atlanta's loss, it was clearly the patriots just stepping up at the right moment and Kyle called everything right! Lol

What's also funny is how these FQB's are the save all for the teams in some people's eyes.

Flacco, Rivers, Carr now, Luck, Kirk now, etc how has that worked out for those teams, lol

Don't get it twisted now, it takes a quality qb to "help" your team win, but It still takes a whole team, especially a defense...

Brady's defense has been ranked how high in all his SB years? Look it up.. pretty high..

And brady, who got the qb job because Bledsoe got lit up wasn't this great qb... it took years for him to develop, behind what??? A Stellar defense each year!

And Bellacheat put brady in due to bledsoes injury so it's not like Bellacheat had this great foresight to put brady in.
And Bledsoe was playing at a pretty high level.. wasn't Bledsoe considered a "FQB".

Quality qb play and stellar defense's give the best chance to win, and win big.

Where to begin with this...

1. Our team was WAY more talented than the Ravens in 2012 and we got our asses handed to us in the first half. That shows a major sign of being unprepared to face a lesser talented team coached by the guy he knew incredibly close.

2. Nobody said Kyle called everything right but that offense was nearly impossible to stop due to Kyle's playcalling and the players on that roster. This is arguably one of the better offensive playcallers in the game with one of the best offenses in the league squaring up against one of the best defensive coaches in the game. However blaming Shanahan for choking away the SB is incredibly dumb when the team had a 28-3 lead that they blew. How you can blame the offensive coordinator for that is beyond me...

3. If you find that elite QB you will have a chance to get into the playoffs every season. Yes you need a good team or one guy isn't doing much but to win a SB with a mediocre QB you need studs pretty much everywhere else. What's easier to do build a decent team around a great QB or build a great team around a decent QB? Simple math there...1 vs 21. And I'd say Ravens are pretty happy with Flacco and the SB he won them. Rivers hasn't had much help and Carr is looking great.

4. Brady has won with pretty much every team put around him. His defenses have not been THAT impressive. You want to see a QB with crazy defenses? Check our very own Joe Montana.

5. Brady showed enough his rookie season to be kept on the roster as a 4th QB. Want to tell me how often teams keep 4 QBs on the roster with that 4th QB being a 6th round pick? Obviously he showed something to Belichick(Bellacheat...really? What are you 5?) and it takes balls to keep a guy like that on the roster and cut someone at another position.

6. Brady led the league in TDs his second season starting with scrubs to throw to. The idea that it took him years to develop is just inaccurate. The first season the Pats actually made it a point to get him some weapons he broke all sorts of passing records and was one miracle play by Eli and the Giants away from winning his 4th SB with a perfect record.

You final point is accurate. It's difficult to win games if you don't have a good team and especially a good defense but everything above that point is supremely flawed.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Take your pick! There were about 5 game changing calls or non-calls that sunk us as much as our s**tty first half and final 4 play calls. Me too...it was a complete injustice and reeked of an NFL doing everything they could to ensure Ray Lewis got his Last Ride.

Oh most definitely!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jeepzilla:
Yea funny how in one circumstance it was Kap's & Jim's fault in our loss, but in Atlanta's loss, it was clearly the patriots just stepping up at the right moment and Kyle called everything right! Lol

What's also funny is how these FQB's are the save all for the teams in some people's eyes.

Flacco, Rivers, Carr now, Luck, Kirk now, etc how has that worked out for those teams, lol

Don't get it twisted now, it takes a quality qb to "help" your team win, but It still takes a whole team, especially a defense...

Brady's defense has been ranked how high in all his SB years? Look it up.. pretty high..

And brady, who got the qb job because Bledsoe got lit up wasn't this great qb... it took years for him to develop, behind what??? A Stellar defense each year!

And Bellacheat put brady in due to bledsoes injury so it's not like Bellacheat had this great foresight to put brady in.
And Bledsoe was playing at a pretty high level.. wasn't Bledsoe considered a "FQB".

Quality qb play and stellar defense's give the best chance to win, and win big.

Where to begin with this...

1. Our team was WAY more talented than the Ravens in 2012 and we got our asses handed to us in the first half. That shows a major sign of being unprepared to face a lesser talented team coached by the guy he knew incredibly close.

2. Nobody said Kyle called everything right but that offense was nearly impossible to stop due to Kyle's playcalling and the players on that roster. This is arguably one of the better offensive playcallers in the game with one of the best offenses in the league squaring up against one of the best defensive coaches in the game. However blaming Shanahan for choking away the SB is incredibly dumb when the team had a 28-3 lead that they blew. How you can blame the offensive coordinator for that is beyond me...

3. If you find that elite QB you will have a chance to get into the playoffs every season. Yes you need a good team or one guy isn't doing much but to win a SB with a mediocre QB you need studs pretty much everywhere else. What's easier to do build a decent team around a great QB or build a great team around a decent QB? Simple math there...1 vs 21. And I'd say Ravens are pretty happy with Flacco and the SB he won them. Rivers hasn't had much help and Carr is looking great.

4. Brady has won with pretty much every team put around him. His defenses have not been THAT impressive. You want to see a QB with crazy defenses? Check our very own Joe Montana.

5. Brady showed enough his rookie season to be kept on the roster as a 4th QB. Want to tell me how often teams keep 4 QBs on the roster with that 4th QB being a 6th round pick? Obviously he showed something to Belichick(Bellacheat...really? What are you 5?) and it takes balls to keep a guy like that on the roster and cut someone at another position.

6. Brady led the league in TDs his second season starting with scrubs to throw to. The idea that it took him years to develop is just inaccurate. The first season the Pats actually made it a point to get him some weapons he broke all sorts of passing records and was one miracle play by Eli and the Giants away from winning his 4th SB with a perfect record.

You final point is accurate. It's difficult to win games if you don't have a good team and especially a good defense but everything above that point is supremely flawed.

all that says is we should have won the SB because we looked better on paper than Baltimore and Brady is awesome.
lol

How come Brady didn't win it all in 2012? Oh yeah cause he threw 2 INTs in the playoff game lol

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Take your pick! There were about 5 game changing calls or non-calls that sunk us as much as our s**tty first half and final 4 play calls. Me too...it was a complete injustice and reeked of an NFL doing everything they could to ensure Ray Lewis got his Last Ride.

Oh most definitely!

Stupid Coaches!

I bet Brady was pissed at Billy B for calling those 2 INT plays in that game.

Originally posted by SoCold:

were did all this WAY more talented stuff come from? From looking at stats? lol

If you had the choice of starting the SB with a QB who's a 5 year vet or a guy starting his 10th career game who would you take?

Lets not forget Baltimore needed a miracle play to beat Denver then get an off day from Brady throwing two INTs in the playoffs to even make the SB
SF needed a record breaking rushing day from Kap to beat GB and a non PI call in Atlanta to hold onto that win just to make the SB.

It was a miracle the Harbros. SB even happened. lol

If I remember correctly SF had 10 pro-bowlers that yr (most in the league) and Baltimore had 4

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SoCold:
were did all this WAY more talented stuff come from? From looking at stats? lol

If you had the choice of starting the SB with a QB who's a 5 year vet or a guy starting his 10th career game who would you take?

Lets not forget Baltimore needed a miracle play to beat Denver then get an off day from Brady throwing two INTs in the playoffs to even make the SB
SF needed a record breaking rushing day from Kap to beat GB and a non PI call in Atlanta to hold onto that win just to make the SB.

It was a miracle the Harbros. SB even happened. lol

If I remember correctly SF had 10 pro-bowlers that yr (most in the league) and Baltimore had 4

Well in that case LaMike should have never fumbled the ball and Kap should have never thrown an INT and blown two scoring chances.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Take your pick! There were about 5 game changing calls or non-calls that sunk us as much as our s**tty first half and final 4 play calls. Me too...it was a complete injustice and reeked of an NFL doing everything they could to ensure Ray Lewis got his Last Ride.

Naaaah. Just another case of Jim not doing his homework. John knew that the bigger the game, the more terrified the refs are of criticism they determined the outcome. So John had his people hold on Every play, knowing the refs wouldn't call more than two in the game, and none late. Jim didn't. Happens every year. You can't win like that.

Originally posted by SoCold:
were did all this WAY more talented stuff come from? From looking at stats? lol

If you had the choice of starting the SB with a QB who's a 5 year vet or a guy starting his 10th career game who would you take?

Lets not forget Baltimore needed a miracle play to beat Denver then get an off day from Brady throwing two INTs in the playoffs to even make the SB
SF needed a record breaking rushing day from Kap to beat GB and a non PI call in Atlanta to hold onto that win just to make the SB.

It was a miracle the Harbros. SB even happened. lol

Give me a break man Kaepernick was playing lights out and our roster was better nearly across the board outside of maybe WR. We got outplayed and outcoached.

I'm not forgetting anything either...the fact that the Ravens needed all they did to even get there shows the talent level wasn't up there with the teams they faced but they made the plays they had to do, they had a good gameplan and made the plays when it mattered...with a bit of luck and help by the NFL.