The Iron-Pyrite-Lining Thread (Negative people come on in!)

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

So you are firing our starting quarterback already? Really premature. Let's see how he does this year first. Pretty good chance Hoyer'd be a better number two than any rookie you draft next year, or Beathard, and we can certainly use the draft slot you are using on another rookie qb for other team needs. I think we can contend for a playoff berth next year too, but having a backup, still under contract, that can win some games makes a huge difference in those odds. That's why NE rejected a profitable trade and kept Jimmy G. Please, can we be smart too? Please? Just for a change?

I think Lynch wrote a two year contract for Hoyer for a reason, even though Cousins was in the plan after one.

If we get Kirk I'm cutting hoyer without question...CJ becomes the backup and we save $4.5 million by letting him go. I'd rather not spend $30+ million on QBs in a yr.

He's not in the future plans and he's not jimmy G, you already know what you have in hoyer and he's injury prone.

How about we start developing qbs? That's what good teams do...It's a damn good thing Washington did it when they spent the 2nd overall pick and a f**k ton of future picks on RG3 wouldn't you say??

I'm standing with Lynch and his plan, until events say otherwise. One single game that a veteran wins and a youngster looses when Cousins is nicked could so easily be the difference in making the playoffs. Injury prone? We're talking 2018, when he's riding pine behind Cousins. And I agree, it is critical to develop a youngster, and we are doing that with Beathard. If and when events show that's not looking promising, I'm with you, but pray tell why is he an inferior prospect to your unseen 2018 rookie, with a year's less experience learning under Kyle, especially when your plan is to trade our high end draft pick away (I think our need is a big body fast receiver, that must go high)?

Everybody is just hating on Hoyer and Beathard before training camp is even open. Jeez. I'm hoping Kyle can do something with this team.

Go Niners. (Oops, wrong thread).

PS The Skins never drafted a quarterback since Kirk Cousins until the 6th round last year (2016, Nate Sudfeld) when Cousins was already franchised after failing to resign him, and we all know the Cousins pick was driven by Kyle. We drafted our development quarterback a whole year Before we get our intended FQB.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

So you are firing our starting quarterback already? Really premature. Let's see how he does this year first. Pretty good chance Hoyer'd be a better number two than any rookie you draft next year, or Beathard, and we can certainly use the draft slot you are using on another rookie qb for other team needs. I think we can contend for a playoff berth next year too, but having a backup, still under contract, that can win some games makes a huge difference in those odds. That's why NE rejected a profitable trade and kept Jimmy G. Please, can we be smart too? Please? Just for a change?

I think Lynch wrote a two year contract for Hoyer for a reason, even though Cousins was in the plan after one.

If we get Kirk I'm cutting hoyer without question...CJ becomes the backup and we save $4.5 million by letting him go. I'd rather not spend $30+ million on QBs in a yr.

He's not in the future plans and he's not jimmy G, you already know what you have in hoyer and he's injury prone.

How about we start developing qbs? That's what good teams do...It's a damn good thing Washington did it when they spent the 2nd overall pick and a f**k ton of future picks on RG3 wouldn't you say??

I'm standing with Lynch and his plan, until events say otherwise. One single game that a veteran wins and a youngster looses when Cousins is nicked could so easily be the difference in making the playoffs. Injury prone? We're talking 2018, when he's riding pine behind Cousins. And I agree, it is critical to develop a youngster, and we are doing that with Beathard. If and when events show that's not looking promising, I'm with you, but pray tell why is he an inferior prospect to your unseen 2018 rookie, with a year's less experience learning under Kyle, especially when your plan is to trade our high end draft pick away (I think our need is a big body fast receiver, that must go high)?

Everybody is just hating on Hoyer and Beathard before training camp is even open. Jeez. I'm hoping Kyle can do something with this team.

Go Niners. (Oops, wrong thread).

PS The Skins never drafted a quarterback since Kirk Cousins until the 6th round last year (2016, Nate Sudfeld) when Cousins was already franchised after failing to resign him, and we all know the Cousins pick was driven by Kyle. We drafted our development quarterback a whole year Before we get our intended FQB.

I'm not hating on CJ I said he'd be the backup that's why he was drafted...he'll have a yrs worth of learning before he's made the backup. He takes over hoyer's role for a lot less money...FYI I'm not hating on Hoyer either, he is who he is and isn't part of the future of this team.

Put that money towards something else other than backup QB. Also what I said is, we'd trade that top pick (which we will likely have) to get a f**k ton of draft capital. We currently have 10 picks so don't tell me we can't spend another pick on a QB in a deep draft. I'm not saying spend a 1st on the position if we have Kirk...I'd like Fitzgerald, Allen, Speight, or Mangum in the mid rds.

PS they drafted RG3 and Kirk in the same draft after burning a ton of capital on RG3, good thing they did...and them not spending any picks on developing a QB since drafting Kirk is gonna hurt them imo...they lose Kirk and have a nothing behind him.

Let's get in the business of developing qbs and having the position actually set for the long-term or trade them like NE does. Hoyer is the least of my worries when we're talking about the future of this team.

I don't expect much this season as far as wins but I am excited to see our young group grow especially on defense. I also really can't wait to watch the Broncos play so I can hear the announcers try and keep it mature saying Semien to Butt should be a good ol time.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

I don't expect much this season as far as wins but I am excited to see our young group grow especially on defense. I also really can't wait to watch the Broncos play so I can hear the announcers try and keep it mature saying Semien to Butt should be a good ol time.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

So you are firing our starting quarterback already? Really premature. Let's see how he does this year first. Pretty good chance Hoyer'd be a better number two than any rookie you draft next year, or Beathard, and we can certainly use the draft slot you are using on another rookie qb for other team needs. I think we can contend for a playoff berth next year too, but having a backup, still under contract, that can win some games makes a huge difference in those odds. That's why NE rejected a profitable trade and kept Jimmy G. Please, can we be smart too? Please? Just for a change?

I think Lynch wrote a two year contract for Hoyer for a reason, even though Cousins was in the plan after one.

If we get Kirk I'm cutting hoyer without question...CJ becomes the backup and we save $4.5 million by letting him go. I'd rather not spend $30+ million on QBs in a yr.

He's not in the future plans and he's not jimmy G, you already know what you have in hoyer and he's injury prone.

How about we start developing qbs? That's what good teams do...It's a damn good thing Washington did it when they spent the 2nd overall pick and a f**k ton of future picks on RG3 wouldn't you say??

I'm standing with Lynch and his plan, until events say otherwise. One single game that a veteran wins and a youngster looses when Cousins is nicked could so easily be the difference in making the playoffs. Injury prone? We're talking 2018, when he's riding pine behind Cousins. And I agree, it is critical to develop a youngster, and we are doing that with Beathard. If and when events show that's not looking promising, I'm with you, but pray tell why is he an inferior prospect to your unseen 2018 rookie, with a year's less experience learning under Kyle, especially when your plan is to trade our high end draft pick away (I think our need is a big body fast receiver, that must go high)?

Everybody is just hating on Hoyer and Beathard before training camp is even open. Jeez. I'm hoping Kyle can do something with this team.

Go Niners. (Oops, wrong thread).

PS The Skins never drafted a quarterback since Kirk Cousins until the 6th round last year (2016, Nate Sudfeld) when Cousins was already franchised after failing to resign him, and we all know the Cousins pick was driven by Kyle. We drafted our development quarterback a whole year Before we get our intended FQB.

I'm not hating on CJ I said he'd be the backup that's why he was drafted...he'll have a yrs worth of learning before he's made the backup. He takes over hoyer's role for a lot less money...FYI I'm not hating on Hoyer either, he is who he is and isn't part of the future of this team.

Put that money towards something else other than backup QB. Also what I said is, we'd trade that top pick (which we will likely have) to get a f**k ton of draft capital. We currently have 10 picks so don't tell me we can't spend another pick on a QB in a deep draft. I'm not saying spend a 1st on the position if we have Kirk...I'd like Fitzgerald, Allen, Speight, or Mangum in the mid rds.

PS they drafted RG3 and Kirk in the same draft after burning a ton of capital on RG3, good thing they did...and them not spending any picks on developing a QB since drafting Kirk is gonna hurt them imo...they lose Kirk and have a nothing behind him.

Let's get in the business of developing qbs and having the position actually set for the long-term or trade them like NE does. Hoyer is the least of my worries when we're talking about the future of this team.

Well,NY we are all in agreement that we need to get in the business of drafting QBs, but on the Hoyer issue, I'm with BOI on that. Two reasons. First is, i expect hoyer/backup to be a lot better than most are expecting. Why? Because the way they got signed bam, bam right out of the gate. That tells me both kyle and john already had this conversation while we were still twiddling our thumbs . Bang, Hoyer is signed. Next day,...Bang backup is signed...Second reason is Hoyer knows Kyle's O, so no matter who else we got this yr, Kyle had hoyer to run the O and get the offense reps with ZBS adn WCO . And heck for the 3rd reason , there was a 2 yr contract signed which probably was mostly an inducement to get Hoyer here but maybe it also was "WHAT IF" he turned out to be the guy...and stayed healthy? Good reason for two yrs. Also, that 2nd yr gives us the insurance qb if cuzins stays in WASH ( i doubt it) or we DON'T get the FR QB we want in draft.

No matter how you slice it, it was a definitive move, well thot out, and gave us current + backup insurance for this yr. Also protected us for next yr. Lastly , CJ ...the pick was moved up from beginning (#2) of 4th rd to last 3 picks in rd 3 for a reason...most likely someone else was interested. And who is to say this isn't our FR QB? I got no idea where we are going with FR QB, but if i spent all offseason setting up a great plan it couldn't have been any better than this one....and keep in mind shalyn hadn't been here that long when this went down. So not just decisive but really well thot out with a couple insurance policies and our duo have already begun drafting potential FR QBs with CJ. A+ from me on Qb situation.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

So you are firing our starting quarterback already? Really premature. Let's see how he does this year first. Pretty good chance Hoyer'd be a better number two than any rookie you draft next year, or Beathard, and we can certainly use the draft slot you are using on another rookie qb for other team needs. I think we can contend for a playoff berth next year too, but having a backup, still under contract, that can win some games makes a huge difference in those odds. That's why NE rejected a profitable trade and kept Jimmy G. Please, can we be smart too? Please? Just for a change?

I think Lynch wrote a two year contract for Hoyer for a reason, even though Cousins was in the plan after one.

If we get Kirk I'm cutting hoyer without question...CJ becomes the backup and we save $4.5 million by letting him go. I'd rather not spend $30+ million on QBs in a yr.

He's not in the future plans and he's not jimmy G, you already know what you have in hoyer and he's injury prone.

How about we start developing qbs? That's what good teams do...It's a damn good thing Washington did it when they spent the 2nd overall pick and a f**k ton of future picks on RG3 wouldn't you say??

I'm standing with Lynch and his plan, until events say otherwise. One single game that a veteran wins and a youngster looses when Cousins is nicked could so easily be the difference in making the playoffs. Injury prone? We're talking 2018, when he's riding pine behind Cousins. And I agree, it is critical to develop a youngster, and we are doing that with Beathard. If and when events show that's not looking promising, I'm with you, but pray tell why is he an inferior prospect to your unseen 2018 rookie, with a year's less experience learning under Kyle, especially when your plan is to trade our high end draft pick away (I think our need is a big body fast receiver, that must go high)?

Everybody is just hating on Hoyer and Beathard before training camp is even open. Jeez. I'm hoping Kyle can do something with this team.

Go Niners. (Oops, wrong thread).

PS The Skins never drafted a quarterback since Kirk Cousins until the 6th round last year (2016, Nate Sudfeld) when Cousins was already franchised after failing to resign him, and we all know the Cousins pick was driven by Kyle. We drafted our development quarterback a whole year Before we get our intended FQB.

I'm not hating on CJ I said he'd be the backup that's why he was drafted...he'll have a yrs worth of learning before he's made the backup. He takes over hoyer's role for a lot less money...FYI I'm not hating on Hoyer either, he is who he is and isn't part of the future of this team.

Put that money towards something else other than backup QB. Also what I said is, we'd trade that top pick (which we will likely have) to get a f**k ton of draft capital. We currently have 10 picks so don't tell me we can't spend another pick on a QB in a deep draft. I'm not saying spend a 1st on the position if we have Kirk...I'd like Fitzgerald, Allen, Speight, or Mangum in the mid rds.

PS they drafted RG3 and Kirk in the same draft after burning a ton of capital on RG3, good thing they did...and them not spending any picks on developing a QB since drafting Kirk is gonna hurt them imo...they lose Kirk and have a nothing behind him.

Let's get in the business of developing qbs and having the position actually set for the long-term or trade them like NE does. Hoyer is the least of my worries when we're talking about the future of this team.

Well,NY we are all in agreement that we need to get in the business of drafting QBs, but on the Hoyer issue, I'm with BOI on that. Two reasons. First is, i expect hoyer/backup to be a lot better than most are expecting. Why? Because the way they got signed bam, bam right out of the gate. That tells me both kyle and john already had this conversation while we were still twiddling our thumbs . Bang, Hoyer is signed. Next day,...Bang backup is signed...Second reason is Hoyer knows Kyle's O, so no matter who else we got this yr, Kyle had hoyer to run the O and get the offense reps with ZBS adn WCO . And heck for the 3rd reason , there was a 2 yr contract signed which probably was mostly an inducement to get Hoyer here but maybe it also was "WHAT IF" he turned out to be the guy...and stayed healthy? Good reason for two yrs. Also, that 2nd yr gives us the insurance qb if cuzins stays in WASH ( i doubt it) or we DON'T get the FR QB we want in draft.

No matter how you slice it, it was a definitive move, well thot out, and gave us current + backup insurance for this yr. Also protected us for next yr. Lastly , CJ ...the pick was moved up from beginning (#2) of 4th rd to last 3 picks in rd 3 for a reason...most likely someone else was interested. And who is to say this isn't our FR QB? I got no idea where we are going with FR QB, but if i spent all offseason setting up a great plan it couldn't have been any better than this one....and keep in mind shalyn hadn't been here that long when this went down. So not just decisive but really well thot out with a couple insurance policies and our duo have already begun drafting potential FR QBs with CJ. A+ from me on Qb situation.

Niner nation just had an article saying why hoyer wouldn't be on the team next yr if we get Kirk....we'd have our vet that knows Kyle's system in Kirk and we'd have CJ developed for a yr, imo he's cheaper vision of Hoyer.

Like I said I'd rather not be paying over 30+ million a year for two qbs...we'd save 4+ million by cutting him, that can be put towards the OL/resigning Hyde/WR etc...and I'm all for drafting a QB in this draft at some pt.

Hoyer is a good place holder for a yr, if Kirk comes in I'm fine with moving him and I think this staff would be as well.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

So you are firing our starting quarterback already? Really premature. Let's see how he does this year first. Pretty good chance Hoyer'd be a better number two than any rookie you draft next year, or Beathard, and we can certainly use the draft slot you are using on another rookie qb for other team needs. I think we can contend for a playoff berth next year too, but having a backup, still under contract, that can win some games makes a huge difference in those odds. That's why NE rejected a profitable trade and kept Jimmy G. Please, can we be smart too? Please? Just for a change?

I think Lynch wrote a two year contract for Hoyer for a reason, even though Cousins was in the plan after one.

If we get Kirk I'm cutting hoyer without question...CJ becomes the backup and we save $4.5 million by letting him go. I'd rather not spend $30+ million on QBs in a yr.

He's not in the future plans and he's not jimmy G, you already know what you have in hoyer and he's injury prone.

How about we start developing qbs? That's what good teams do...It's a damn good thing Washington did it when they spent the 2nd overall pick and a f**k ton of future picks on RG3 wouldn't you say??

I'm standing with Lynch and his plan, until events say otherwise. One single game that a veteran wins and a youngster looses when Cousins is nicked could so easily be the difference in making the playoffs. Injury prone? We're talking 2018, when he's riding pine behind Cousins. And I agree, it is critical to develop a youngster, and we are doing that with Beathard. If and when events show that's not looking promising, I'm with you, but pray tell why is he an inferior prospect to your unseen 2018 rookie, with a year's less experience learning under Kyle, especially when your plan is to trade our high end draft pick away (I think our need is a big body fast receiver, that must go high)?

Everybody is just hating on Hoyer and Beathard before training camp is even open. Jeez. I'm hoping Kyle can do something with this team.

Go Niners. (Oops, wrong thread).

PS The Skins never drafted a quarterback since Kirk Cousins until the 6th round last year (2016, Nate Sudfeld) when Cousins was already franchised after failing to resign him, and we all know the Cousins pick was driven by Kyle. We drafted our development quarterback a whole year Before we get our intended FQB.

I'm not hating on CJ I said he'd be the backup that's why he was drafted...he'll have a yrs worth of learning before he's made the backup. He takes over hoyer's role for a lot less money...FYI I'm not hating on Hoyer either, he is who he is and isn't part of the future of this team.

Put that money towards something else other than backup QB. Also what I said is, we'd trade that top pick (which we will likely have) to get a f**k ton of draft capital. We currently have 10 picks so don't tell me we can't spend another pick on a QB in a deep draft. I'm not saying spend a 1st on the position if we have Kirk...I'd like Fitzgerald, Allen, Speight, or Mangum in the mid rds.

PS they drafted RG3 and Kirk in the same draft after burning a ton of capital on RG3, good thing they did...and them not spending any picks on developing a QB since drafting Kirk is gonna hurt them imo...they lose Kirk and have a nothing behind him.

Let's get in the business of developing qbs and having the position actually set for the long-term or trade them like NE does. Hoyer is the least of my worries when we're talking about the future of this team.

Well,NY we are all in agreement that we need to get in the business of drafting QBs, but on the Hoyer issue, I'm with BOI on that. Two reasons. First is, i expect hoyer/backup to be a lot better than most are expecting. Why? Because the way they got signed bam, bam right out of the gate. That tells me both kyle and john already had this conversation while we were still twiddling our thumbs . Bang, Hoyer is signed. Next day,...Bang backup is signed...Second reason is Hoyer knows Kyle's O, so no matter who else we got this yr, Kyle had hoyer to run the O and get the offense reps with ZBS adn WCO . And heck for the 3rd reason , there was a 2 yr contract signed which probably was mostly an inducement to get Hoyer here but maybe it also was "WHAT IF" he turned out to be the guy...and stayed healthy? Good reason for two yrs. Also, that 2nd yr gives us the insurance qb if cuzins stays in WASH ( i doubt it) or we DON'T get the FR QB we want in draft.

No matter how you slice it, it was a definitive move, well thot out, and gave us current + backup insurance for this yr. Also protected us for next yr. Lastly , CJ ...the pick was moved up from beginning (#2) of 4th rd to last 3 picks in rd 3 for a reason...most likely someone else was interested. And who is to say this isn't our FR QB? I got no idea where we are going with FR QB, but if i spent all offseason setting up a great plan it couldn't have been any better than this one....and keep in mind shalyn hadn't been here that long when this went down. So not just decisive but really well thot out with a couple insurance policies and our duo have already begun drafting potential FR QBs with CJ. A+ from me on Qb situation.

Niner nation just had an article saying why hoyer wouldn't be on the team next yr if we get Kirk....we'd have our vet that knows Kyle's system in Kirk and we'd have CJ developed for a yr, imo he's cheaper vision of Hoyer.

Like I said I'd rather not be paying over 30+ million a year for two qbs...we'd save 4+ million by cutting him, that can be put towards the OL/resigning Hyde/WR etc...and I'm all for drafting a QB in this draft at some pt.

Hoyer is a good place holder for a yr, if Kirk comes in I'm fine with moving him and I think this staff would be as well.

Kirk Cousin's quarterback ratings from 2012 are 101.6 (only 48 attempts), 58.4, 86.4, 101.6, and 97.2.

Derek Carr's quarterback ratings since 2014 are 76.6, 91.1, and 96.7

Brian Hoyer's quarterback ratings the last two years were 91.4 and 98.0 last year.

The only undefeated season was the Dolphins in 1972. The starting quarterback, Bob Griese, broke his ankle in week 5, and did not start a regular season game that season. Earl Morral started all those undefeated games, a veteran journeyman originally drafted by the San Francisco 49ers way back in 1956. This is 1972! Earl Morral was no star, with a career quarterback rating of 74.1, but the veteran that he was, he knew how to avoid mistakes, take what they give you, and win.

Any team that can't win if their starter goes down, even for a short time, is living by a thread. New England won the Super Bowl last year with home field advantage and the assist of a 3 and 1 record without Brady.

I am a CJ Beathard fan and optimist, but it typically takes three years to get a good young quarterback to get the game to slow down and really see what is happening. Hell, Montana didn't break out until his third year, but boy he did then and won the SuperBowl. To expect Beathard to give you a better chance to win in his second year over Hoyer, who by next year should really be running Kyle's offense well, is not realistic.

There are two sides of the coin to the pay. Sure, we will have to pay Hoyer, but probably not his incentives as he'll be backing up Cousins, So, we're talking about $6m, less your drafted rookie salary. We only save $4m? So we pay dead money too? The other side is we use that high draft pick on someone we can actually use, instead of your third qb, who will be inactive. The fact is we have more cap space than talent right now.

But the real rub is that Lynch and Shanahan are paid to win, and see their jobs to do just that. Having two young trainee quarterbacks is a luxury that does not aid that effort. This may be a throwaway year when it's not realistic we make the playoffs, but I'll bet the farm they don't see next year that way.

I want in the dance next year, and if we play according, I think that's very realistic. I do not want to play for 2019, and see no long term benefit to doing so.

Go Niners !

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Kirk Cousin's quarterback ratings from 2012 are 101.6 (only 48 attempts), 58.4, 86.4, 101.6, and 97.2.

Derek Carr's quarterback ratings since 2014 are 76.6, 91.1, and 96.7

Brian Hoyer's quarterback ratings the last two years were 91.4 and 98.0 last year.

The only undefeated season was the Dolphins in 1972. The starting quarterback, Bob Griese, broke his ankle in week 5, and did not start a regular season game that season. Earl Morral started all those undefeated games, a veteran journeyman originally drafted by the San Francisco 49ers way back in 1956. This is 1972! Earl Morral was no star, with a career quarterback rating of 74.1, but the veteran that he was, he knew how to avoid mistakes, take what they give you, and win.

Any team that can't win if their starter goes down, even for a short time, is living by a thread. New England won the Super Bowl last year with home field advantage and the assist of a 3 and 1 record without Brady.

I am a CJ Beathard fan and optimist, but it typically takes three years to get a good young quarterback to get the game to slow down and really see what is happening. Hell, Montana didn't break out until his third year, but boy he did then and won the SuperBowl. To expect Beathard to give you a better chance to win in his second year over Hoyer, who by next year should really be running Kyle's offense well, is not realistic.

There are two sides of the coin to the pay. Sure, we will have to pay Hoyer, but probably not his incentives as he'll be backing up Cousins, So, we're talking about $6m, less your drafted rookie salary. We only save $4m? So we pay dead money too? The other side is we use that high draft pick on someone we can actually use, instead of your third qb, who will be inactive. The fact is we have more cap space than talent right now.

But the real rub is that Lynch and Shanahan are paid to win, and see their jobs to do just that. Having two young trainee quarterbacks is a luxury that does not aid that effort. This may be a throwaway year when it's not realistic we make the playoffs, but I'll bet the farm they don't see next year that way.

I want in the dance next year, and if we play according, I think that's very realistic. I do not want to play for 2019, and see no long term benefit to doing so.

Go Niners !

So hoyer is some magical unicorn that no one knows about besides shanny? lol I think not...his one yr with kyle he completed 55% of his passes and had 12 TDs and 13 INTs, dude can't stay healthy either.

I could careless about your phins story.

To think hoyer is anything more than he's been his 8 yrs in the league is unrealistic...we're arguing about backup qbs in 2018 loll. I'd rather put my money into a different position than play over $30+ million plain and simple...CJ was a 3rd rd pick for a reason to be the backup at the very least. Show me a team that's currently paying $30+ million for two qbs?


Where did I say spend a top end pick on a QB??? I stated very clearly that I wouldn't spend a top end pick on a QB if we got Kirk. Please read what I'm saying if your gonna reply to it

Lynch and Co have 6 yrs to turn it around...IF there's any FO that has time to develop qbs it's them.

Like I said you're arguing backup qbs and it's July lol...different opinions on building teams, I'd rather be in the business of developing the QB position with who we have as a HC. That's something this team really hasn't done in a very long time and this upcoming draft is chalk full of good prospects. Good teams do it and I'd like to be a good team for once.

Chris Biederman seems to be our newest moron beat reporter. My negativity of the evening.

Well, the deadline for getting Kirk a long-term deal passed today.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Well, the deadline for getting Kirk a long-term deal passed today.

Wait! Before you off yourself do you have any fancy watches?

The 2016 NFL films year in review for the team is showing on NFLN, Wednesday at 2 PM PT / 5 PM ET for all those who want to relive the horrible season it was. There should be some highlights in there of well, just about nothing. (shows again at 10:30 PM PT)

I don't get this thread.
We are literally at the beginning stages of a rebuild. Of course there isn't much to look forward to right now but the future.

Originally posted by Quest4six:
I don't get this thread.
We are literally at the beginning stages of a rebuild. Of course there isn't much to look forward to right now but the future.

I don't have any confidence in Lynch / Shannahan.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by Quest4six:

I don't get this thread.
We are literally at the beginning stages of a rebuild. Of course there isn't much to look forward to right now but the future.

I don't have any confidence in Lynch / Shannahan.

We have one of the best offensive minds in todays NFL along with a GM who will work with the HC to bring in players that fit his scheme.

It's literally the opposite of what we had the last few years with Baalke and random HC's screwing everything up. We literally walked into the best possible scenario.

Sure Lynch is a rookie GM but thus far his drafting has been great (on paper).

We're obviously looking to get the defense going in a weak 2017 QB class. We got 2 of the top players on our board with more draft picks for 2018. It was a great draft.


What specifically worries you about Lynch?