The Iron-Pyrite-Lining Thread (Negative people come on in!)

Originally posted by NinerSickness:
I don't have any confidence in Lynch / Shannahan.

I think that's fair. There's no track record because they are both rookies at what they are doing. Like everyone, they will learn first. Hopefully they learn fast.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

I don't have any confidence in Lynch / Shannahan.

I understand the Lynch concern, but I think your the lack of confidence in Shanny is misplaced.
He's a successful NFL coach. No arguing that.

I doubted Lynch as well, but after listening to his interviews, analyzing his drafts, and looking at what he is currently doing.... The guy knows his s**t

We know what bad front office members look like, we've had two of them in the past 2 years.

Would you rather have Chip Kelly, Kaepernick and that one guy at WR? Oh, wait a minute...are you a Trubisky fan angry because we passed on him?

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:
Oh, wait a minute...are you a Trubisky fan angry because we passed on him?

2:17

Lol

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:
I don't have any confidence in Lynch / Shannahan.

I think that's fair. There's no track record because they are both rookies at what they are doing. Like everyone, they will learn first. Hopefully they learn fast.

Yeah, they'll make their share of rookie mistakes. I just hope Jed doesn't cann them for it.

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:
Would you rather have Chip Kelly, Kaepernick and that one guy at WR? Oh, wait a minute...are you a Trubisky fan angry because we passed on him?

just because you are nervous about a first time gm and kid head coach and first time Dc running our team does not mean you want chip kelly back

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

I don't have any confidence in Lynch / Shannahan.

I think that's fair. There's no track record because they are both rookies at what they are doing. Like everyone, they will learn first. Hopefully they learn fast.

Meh he wanted McDaniels who failed miserably and what GM were we bringing in that had experience being a GM?

I was confused at first with lynch but I thought so far he's done a fine job with surrounding himself with very smart football minds and who's gonna argue Kyle's football IQ?

Sickness is just upset he didn't get his boy Mitch that's what this thread was all about.

Originally posted by Quest4six:
I understand the Lynch concern, but I think your the lack of confidence in Shanny is misplaced.
He's a successful NFL coach. No arguing that.

I doubted Lynch as well, but after listening to his interviews, analyzing his drafts, and looking at what he is currently doing.... The guy knows his s**t

We know what bad front office members look like, we've had two of them in the past 2 years.

a good interview is no measure of how good of a gm you are. we have a guy who has never been a dc before in charge of one of the worst defenses in the nfl last year and while you hope so. there is no sure bet we have suddenly upgraded our talent in order for us to be top 10 again

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Quest4six:

I understand the Lynch concern, but I think your the lack of confidence in Shanny is misplaced.
He's a successful NFL coach. No arguing that.

I doubted Lynch as well, but after listening to his interviews, analyzing his drafts, and looking at what he is currently doing.... The guy knows his s**t

We know what bad front office members look like, we've had two of them in the past 2 years.

a good interview is no measure of how good of a gm you are. we have a guy who has never been a dc before in charge of one of the worst defenses in the nfl last year and while you hope so. there is no sure bet we have suddenly upgraded our talent in order for us to be top 10 again

Yeah, I hear your skepticism there iowa. I don't think any fan is predicting a top 10 team this year, but rather, predicting we're on a better track towards that given what little we have seen so far, subject to constant review and evaluation throughout the season, naturally.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Meh he wanted McDaniels who failed miserably and what GM were we bringing in that had experience being a GM?

I was confused at first with lynch but I thought so far he's done a fine job with surrounding himself with very smart football minds and who's gonna argue Kyle's football IQ?

Sickness is just upset he didn't get his boy Mitch that's what this thread was all about.

Several things NY:

-Lynch is immensely personable.

-He is well liked amongst all folks in the media, as he was one of them. He also seems to know everybody, incl owners, GMs, HCs, and asst coaches...across the league. Knows a lot of players, also...and not just on our team.

-He is immensely smart....avid worker, who is not afraid to think big. Hand tutored by Elway at Elway's urging. That speaks for itself.

-Earned his SB ring the hard way, one nut busting tackle at a time at DB. So has great insight into NFL football, not to mention SB football.

-He is definitely tough, but in a good way, he can talk to a guy, let him know his deficiencies, and then cut him in a gentlemanly manner. How many GMs can do that...or even think it?

-Is definitely a team man, and when he needed help in draft was not afraid to ask for it. Takes a big man to do that, especially when he is really King Kong.

-Because of the football knowledge, he makes a great GM.

-Aside from all else, he is a studier...the draft with Kyle was sure an example of that.

-Add all that up and you = WINNER.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Quest4six:

I understand the Lynch concern, but I think your the lack of confidence in Shanny is misplaced.
He's a successful NFL coach. No arguing that.

I doubted Lynch as well, but after listening to his interviews, analyzing his drafts, and looking at what he is currently doing.... The guy knows his s**t

We know what bad front office members look like, we've had two of them in the past 2 years.

a good interview is no measure of how good of a gm you are. we have a guy who has never been a dc before in charge of one of the worst defenses in the nfl last year and while you hope so. there is no sure bet we have suddenly upgraded our talent in order for us to be top 10 again

Yeah, I hear your skepticism there iowa. I don't think any fan is predicting a top 10 team this year, but rather, predicting we're on a better track towards that given what little we have seen so far, subject to constant review and evaluation throughout the season, naturally.

Cc and NC...the front 7 may take awhile, but bet on it, it will be a nut crusher...hopefully of RBs, and intimidated WRs/TEs and esp QBs

If the back end works out, 1 or even 2 guys who hit it big, then yes, this will play like a top 1/3 D, but may not really have it all together until mid season...perhaps sooner. The front 7 tho, that is for real. Not initially but by end of season, they will be playing like a top 1/3 D. Big question is will DBs join the party? If so...look out.

The thing i like best to date about Saleh, is that he didn't start off by saying the mangini/ JoN mantra of "this D is so hard it takes 2 yrs to learn." Only a dumbo or idiot would say that. Saleh is no fool. He likes it simple. Man beating man. Last 3 yrs that would not have been very encouraging. With the BIG 3 + your pick (Dooms, DJ, Mitchell, Pita, et al) plus Bow/Foster/ Brooks(name your pick here of a lot of guys)...that is a front 7 that Wally has already christened the Magnificent 7. GTD for sure by end of yr. I just think it will take awhile to get it all together. On htat i have no argument... and we could look bad/sloppy early on. But Saleh is out to prove himself, and i don't see our D playing crappy football on D much more than first 3, maybe 4 games. After that, they will become well known. NO doubt about that. Talent is just too good. Best DL in college Solly this yr. Last yr best DL was Buck. AA was coming along last yr but finally after a number of yrs, had his shoulder fixed. Then there is the best LB in draft this yr. Plus Bow. If that doesn't impress you...well, then not much will. Good players and betting on the come is one thing. Great/exceptional players and betting on the come is an entirely different animal. Last item...Saleh is a great team man. Read his job description in 3 sentences or less. It is impressive. He will do his dead level best to make this a great D. Prediction: His D becomes well known. E.g.: "hey, what kind of D do you guys play, cover 1 , high cover 1, or what? Answer: "we play a Saleh D." Book it.

Remember this about game 5 or 6.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Quest4six:
I understand the Lynch concern, but I think your the lack of confidence in Shanny is misplaced.
He's a successful NFL coach. No arguing that.

I doubted Lynch as well, but after listening to his interviews, analyzing his drafts, and looking at what he is currently doing.... The guy knows his s**t

We know what bad front office members look like, we've had two of them in the past 2 years.

a good interview is no measure of how good of a gm you are. we have a guy who has never been a dc before in charge of one of the worst defenses in the nfl last year and while you hope so. there is no sure bet we have suddenly upgraded our talent in order for us to be top 10 again

Yeah, I hear your skepticism there iowa. I don't think any fan is predicting a top 10 team this year, but rather, predicting we're on a better track towards that given what little we have seen so far, subject to constant review and evaluation throughout the season, naturally.

Cc and NC...the front 7 may take awhile, but bet on it, it will be a nut crusher...hopefully of RBs, and intimidated WRs/TEs and esp QBs

If the back end works out, 1 or even 2 guys who hit it big, then yes, this will play like a top 1/3 D, but may not really have it all together until mid season...perhaps sooner. The front 7 tho, that is for real. Not initially but by end of season, they will be playing like a top 1/3 D. Big question is will DBs join the party? If so...look out.

The thing i like best to date about Saleh, is that he didn't start off by saying the mangini/ JoN mantra of "this D is so hard it takes 2 yrs to learn." Only a dumbo or idiot would say that. Saleh is no fool. He likes it simple. Man beating man. Last 3 yrs that would not have been very encouraging. With the BIG 3 + your pick (Dooms, DJ, Mitchell, Pita, et al) plus Bow/Foster/ Brooks(name your pick here of a lot of guys)...that is a front 7 that Wally has already christened the Magnificent 7. GTD for sure by end of yr. I just think it will take awhile to get it all together. On htat i have no argument... and we could look bad/sloppy early on. But Saleh is out to prove himself and i don't see our D playing crappy football on D much more than first 3, maybe 4 games. After that, they will become well known. NO doubt about that. Talent is just too good. Best DL in college Solly this yr. Last yr best DL was Buck. AA was coming along last yr but finally after a number of yrs, had his shoulder fixed. Then there is the best LB in draft this yr. Plus Bow. If that doesn't impress you...well, then not much will. Good players and betting on the come is one thing. Great/exceptional players and betting on the come is an entirely different animal.

Remember this about game 5 or 6.

I'm a big believer in "defense wins championships" philosophy. That's why I like the WCO so much because it's a kind of defensive offense that strengthens the defense by resting them. Having said that, I think our season will have to rely on that defense to bail us out of games early on as the offense gels. I like the draft picks that John has put together on the defensive side and while there are so many rookie coaches on this team, I think Kyle has a good sense about coaches and coaching. After all, his dad knows a lot of coaches and is a great HC himself. Walsh made a few draft boo boo's himself, but he fixed those fast, and same with coaching, he fired coaches he didn't think was up to snuff. I hope Kyle will have that same fortitude to fire coaches that he likes, because they could not perform their jobs. That's going to be key for me. One of the reasons I think Harbaugh is gone is because he stuck with Greg Roman's one dimensional power run offense. I hope if Saleh isn't good enough, Kyle does a John Harbaugh and fires him and gets another even better coach in his place.

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

What specifically worries you about Lynch?

I don't think he knows what he's doing. I think he's playing it safe with his personnel moves, and I think that's the best way to not win a SB. I think in 5 years, we're going to look back at the lynch era like we look back at post-Young, the Steve Mariucci era. He'll probably get to the playoffs a time or 2, but he'll have zero chance to win it all.

He's an amateur. And time will prove me right, unfortunately (unless the team gets lucky with a disastrous 2017, and they get a top-3 pick).

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Several things NY:

-Lynch is immensely personable.

-He is well liked amongst all folks in the media, as he was one of them. He also seems to know everybody, incl owners, GMs, HCs, and asst coaches...across the league. Knows a lot of players, also...and not just on our team.

-He is immensely smart....avid worker, who is not afraid to think big. Hand tutored by Elway at Elway's urging. That speaks for itself.

-Earned his SB ring the hard way, one nut busting tackle at a time at DB. So has great insight into NFL football, not to mention SB football.

-He is definitely tough, but in a good way, he can talk to a guy, let him know his deficiencies, and then cut him in a gentlemanly manner. How many GMs can do that...or even think it?

-Is definitely a team man, and when he needed help in draft was not afraid to ask for it. Takes a big man to do that, especially when he is really King Kong.

-Because of the football knowledge, he makes a great GM.

-Aside from all else, he is a studier...the draft with Kyle was sure an example of that.

-Add all that up and you = WINNER.

Never said I didn't like lynch, I was confused by the hire at first...so far I think he's done a very good job

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

I don't think he knows what he's doing. I think he's playing it safe with his personnel moves, and I think that's the best way to not win a SB. I think in 5 years, we're going to look back at the lynch era like we look back at post-Young, the Steve Mariucci era. He'll probably get to the playoffs a time or 2, but he'll have zero chance to win it all.

He's an amateur. And time will prove me right, unfortunately (unless the team gets lucky with a disastrous 2017, and they get a top-3 pick).

Playing it safe? He helped bring in like 50 new players lol. He was able to help get us two first rd picks along with two top 100 picks for the next yr.

Bad GMs take a risk on players like turbisky at 2...let's see who has their job longer after this yr lynch or Ryan Pace.

I was confused by the lynch hire at first but I've loved what he's done thus far...he's brought in a lot of smart football minds in peters, Mayhew, and Ran Carthon as well. He's basically the opposite of baalke and is a breathe of fresh air in SF IMO.