The Iron-Pyrite-Lining Thread (Negative people come on in!)

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by thl408:

I actually like the idea of this thread (minus the Trubisky love in the OP) because I was sick of hearing, "everything is awesome" all offseason. Yin and yang type stuff is needed imo. This thread is a little too QB centric, but I get that everyone likes to talk QBs.

I got no qualms with a negative discussion or negative threads.

then there should be no qualms on negative post towards poster

Attack the posts not the poster. It's always been the case here.

True

but what case is this?? Talking s**t about the new regime when there is no proof of his opinion. How can he prove his side ? how can we prove our side. He is just rubbing his s**t in our face

2013 he came in talking s**t about us (coincidence we were good)
Years later he didn't have to talk s**t because we sucked
Now that we are having a great off season with a chance turn things around, hes back to talking s**t (s**t other teams fans do)

Dude is scared of us being good again

Evil and thl, don't be scared to stand up to this guy. We have your back. It's bad for the Zone.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

I wanted Kyle Shanahan or David Shaw. In that order.

So you wanted kyle yet labeled him a choke-artist and is part of your doom and gloom post?



I understand lynch not having experience as a GM but none of the guys that were interviewed were GMs perviously...lynch then brought in Martin Mayhew who's been a GM and helped the giants this past yr. He also brought in one of the most promising young evaluators in the league in Adam peters (who's started scouting in NE in 2003).

Let's stop pretending that there's no experience in the FO because there is...let's stop pretending there's no plan just because you didn't get your boy Mitch.... The past two seasons there was no plan

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

I wanted Kyle Shanahan or David Shaw. In that order.

So you wanted kyle yet labeled him a choke-artist and is part of your doom and gloom post?



I understand lynch not having experience as a GM but none of the guys that were interviewed were GMs perviously...lynch then brought in Martin Mayhew who's been a GM and helped the giants this past yr. He also brought in one of the most promising young evaluators in the league in Adam peters (who's started scouting in NE in 2003).

Let's stop pretending that there's no experience in the FO because there is...let's stop pretending there's no plan just because you didn't get your boy Mitch.... The past two seasons there was no plan

He's a state worker

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So you wanted kyle yet labeled him a choke-artist and is part of your doom and gloom post?

There weren't any coaches I actually wanted who were available. My first choice would've been Nick Saban.

But Shanahan isn't the problem; it's the Lynch / Shanahan combo'. And it's letting him have his way on the Cousins debacle (if it actually happens, which I'm hoping it doesn't).

Shanahan and a GM who can bring in big-boy talent like Trubisky, Watson, Josh Rosen or another guy who's better than mediocre would've been fine. But what happned is Niner fans getting so used to s**t QB play that they'll take anything. And Rosen would require tanking, which they're clearly not doing.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I understand lynch not having experience as a GM but none of the guys that were interviewed were GMs perviously...lynch then brought in Martin Mayhew who's been a GM and helped the giants this past yr.

GM of the Lions.

I'd be posting negative stuff in this thread if we hired a HC that can't put together a good passing game in todays NFL. I'd be negative if we still had Gabbernick as our QB's.

I'd be slightly negative if we didn't land two of the top defensive players in the draft. I'd be negative if we didn't land Garcon.


I'd be less positive if we didn't accumulate draft picks for 2018 (which is looking like a much better QB class atm) I'd be less positive if we didn't land Juice and draft a promising RB.

My question marks thus far in this rebuild? QB, pass rush and secondary (mainly CB's)

I'm giving ShanaLych till mid 2018 before I get negative. That's about the time we'll start to know if this rebuild is going anywhere. One more draft and about 1.5 seasons of actual football.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

So you wanted kyle yet labeled him a choke-artist and is part of your doom and gloom post?

There weren't any coaches I actually wanted who were available. My first choice would've been Nick Saban.

But Shanahan isn't the problem; it's the Lynch / Shanahan combo'. And it's letting him have his way on the Cousins debacle (if it actually happens, which I'm hoping it doesn't).

Shanahan and a GM who can bring in big-boy talent like Trubisky, Watson, Josh Rosen or another guy who's better than mediocre would've been fine. But what happned is Niner fans getting so used to s**t QB play that they'll take anything. And Rosen would require tanking, which they're clearly not doing.

Again a post oozing with BS lol. Keep it going

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I understand lynch not having experience as a GM but none of the guys that were interviewed were GMs perviously...lynch then brought in Martin Mayhew who's been a GM and helped the giants this past yr.

GM of the Lions.

You're right. GM of the Lions. He took the 0-16 Lions and turned them into a playoff team.

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:
I'd be posting negative stuff in this thread if we hired a HC that can't put together a good passing game in todays NFL. I'd be negative if we still had Gabbernick as our QB's.

I'd be slightly negative if we didn't land two of the top defensive players in the draft. I'd be negative if we didn't land Garcon.

I'd be less positive if we didn't accumulate draft picks for 2018 (which is looking like a much better QB class atm) I'd be less positive if we didn't land Juice and draft a promising RB.

My question marks thus far in this rebuild? QB, pass rush and secondary (mainly CB's)

I'm giving ShanaLych till mid 2018 before I get negative. That's about the time we'll start to know if this rebuild is going anywhere. One more draft and about 1.5 seasons of actual football.

The problem with rebuilds in sports is we as fans have trouble being patient. It takes a lengthy period of time to not only know if a rebuild is on the right path, but for a rebuild to actually work. As we've learned the past two seasons, we could win the first game of the season in a blowout, but it's far from any valid indication as to where the team is going. A rebuild isn't a science that can be measured by a couple games. It's a slow, gradual art that takes a long time. And I think we'll have to learn that the hard way. But as long as we realize that and don't crucify Shanahan/Lynch early on, I think it'll be okay. If we win six games this year, it's a good season, and even if we win less, the rebuild could still be on the right track, especially with a high draft pick in what should be a QB-rich draft.

Just look at the Golden State Warriors. Lacob buys the team in 2010, they continue to be a bottom 3-4 team in the conference over the next two seasons, then in the third season they're a 6 seed, than two more seasons later they're champions. Though it might feel like it in hindsight, that process didn't happen overnight.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
You're right. GM of the Lions. He took the 0-16 Lions and turned them into a playoff team.

2 playoff appearances and zero wins in 7 years even with a franchise QB he took 1 overall. Canton will surely ready a bust for him.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

You're right. GM of the Lions. He took the 0-16 Lions and turned them into a playoff team.

2 playoff appearances and zero wins in 7 years even with a franchise QB he took 1 overall. Canton will surely ready a bust for him.

Yeah sure didn't help the giants this past season either derp....like I said none of the GM candidates we got to interview we're GMs prior...and your unreasonable expectations of hiring Nick Sabin make me laugh. Once again it comes down to you wanting to draft a QB in this horrible QB class, they didn't and you got butt hurt over it.

Mitch is NOT big boy talent lol, he's a 13 game starter in a spread offense. You b***h about no experience yet you keep coming back to one of the least experienced qbs to get drafted at two in forever as part of your argument. Quit being a hypocrite.

Check, NY.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Check, NY.

lol I'm over it...everyone knows what this thread is really about.

Training camp starts in a couple days, so hopefully we can talk about that instead of why a poster thinks Mitch is big boy talent and we have no direction because it wasn't his direction lol.

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

I'd be posting negative stuff in this thread if we hired a HC that can't put together a good passing game in todays NFL. I'd be negative if we still had Gabbernick as our QB's.

I'd be slightly negative if we didn't land two of the top defensive players in the draft. I'd be negative if we didn't land Garcon.


I'd be less positive if we didn't accumulate draft picks for 2018 (which is looking like a much better QB class atm) I'd be less positive if we didn't land Juice and draft a promising RB.

My question marks thus far in this rebuild? QB, pass rush and secondary (mainly CB's)

I'm giving ShanaLych till mid 2018 before I get negative. That's about the time we'll start to know if this rebuild is going anywhere. One more draft and about 1.5 seasons of actual football.

That is a fair assessment, LeP.

QB we knew about because Kyle and John made a conscientious effort to avoid taking a FR QB...when there was none. Trubs, with a one yr hx of work? As a FR QB? Man, that isn't betting on the come...that's betting on prayers...nothing more. So good for CHI...unhh...good luck, that is. But this was a decision, the right one, made well in advance of Draft. This was a "Pick the best FA out there who kyle knows and can work wth plus he knows Kyle's WCO. So good...no, excellent decision here. Get the 16-20 other pieces we need as starters and leave FR QB and #1 WR for next yr. Sadly with the #2 pick in draft, there were NO FR QBs this yr. Good for shanalyn for realizing it early on. And we did for the first time in years, get a developmental QB, the only one kyle thot was worthy in the entire draft...CJ. so QB not fixed but Shalyn have got us in a very good spot .We got our guy and backup for this yr, we got our developmental QB, and we got $100 mil in cap next yr, PLUS an extra 2nd and 3rd rd pick. It is not fixed but we are off to a good start. Plus we got the Kyle - Cousins link from before. And he did not sign a LT deal. So we are still in the mix for Cousins.

Pass rush: what's to say other than we got the best DL in the draft (Solly), we got the best LB in the draft(Reuben), we got the best DL in last yrs draft(DeFo), we took our #1 pick the previous yr on the draft(AA), Bow is back and reportedly is playing well, and we still got Ahmed Brooks. Additionally we added DJ, Mitchell, Pita, Dooms, Blair...plus 4 other LBs, all waiting to show us their wares...our front 7 looks to be awesome...now, we just néed to see them prove it. I strongly believe they will.

Which leaves D backfield. And here I am going to need some convincing. This is the one i am concerned about, but then again, i just have no idea what we have here.

In sum LeP we are in agreement with good moves made...OL, OW, RB, new WRs, new TEs , terrific front 7, but most importantly, we got the Yorks out of the football decison business and two hot shots at HC/OC and GM...both unproven but both have made terrific choices so far, but now we see how those picks do. As for kyle, there is no way to quantify just how much he adds to this team. As a starter, i would just say A LOT. The playcalls and gameplans are going back to the 1980s in quality. He has already proven that at 3 different stops, plus unlike harbaw...this guy is truly a Qb maker.

All i did was expand on your succinct summary , LeP, but i think the real question is DBs. The qb we already know about and the Front 7 we just need to see. #1 WR is like FR QB. Deferred to next yr. But even there we are well positioned .. Kyle's links to Cuzins, CJ as developmental and lots of cash in cap PLUS extra 2nd and 3rd rd picks next yr. Who would ever have thot we could do that much in 4 short months? Not I.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
You're right. GM of the Lions. He took the 0-16 Lions and turned them into a playoff team.

2 playoff appearances and zero wins in 7 years even with a franchise QB he took 1 overall. Canton will surely ready a bust for him.

What makes Mayhew unfit to fill a Senior Personnel role with the team ? Will his 15+ years of experience as a FO exec help or hurt John Lynch and this organization ?