The Iron-Pyrite-Lining Thread (Negative people come on in!)

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Mitch is NOT big boy talent lol, he's a 13 game starter in a spread offense. You b***h about no experience yet you keep coming back to one of the least experienced qbs to get drafted at two in forever as part of your argument. Quit being a hypocrite.

That must be why he was taken 2 overall.

And your parallel is dumb because Lynch is like a QB being drafted who's literally never played a down of football.

And Watson was a 3-year starter; he had plenty of experience, if that's what you're looking for.

Really? Because Mr. Whisker Biscuit was taken #2 overall? That's the argument you want to use to prop him up? Are you sure you want to go with that? I'll give you a chance to retract that statement before I come in and tear that logic to shreds.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Mitch is NOT big boy talent lol, he's a 13 game starter in a spread offense. You b***h about no experience yet you keep coming back to one of the least experienced qbs to get drafted at two in forever as part of your argument. Quit being a hypocrite.

That must be why he was taken 2 overall.

And your parallel is dumb because Lynch is like a QB being drafted who's literally never played a down of football.

And Watson was a 3-year starter; he had plenty of experience, if that's what you're looking for.

Derp RG3 was taking 2nd overall how's he doing???

Originally posted by norcal49er864:
Really? Because Mr. Whisker Biscuit was taken #2 overall? That's the argument you want to use to prop him up? Are you sure you want to go with that? I'll give you a chance to retract that statement before I come in and tear that logic to shreds.

Might you be referring to this gentleman ? Also taken at #2.

Thats his mug shot?

Whats the fetish about trubisky? Is not taking him the reason kyle has no strategy? Seriously? We had a historically bad defense and you would roll the dice on a 1 year starter instead of lower risk selections at positions of desperate need?

Thats baalke talk. Come on.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Mitch is NOT big boy talent lol, he's a 13 game starter in a spread offense. You b***h about no experience yet you keep coming back to one of the least experienced qbs to get drafted at two in forever as part of your argument. Quit being a hypocrite.

That must be why he was taken 2 overall.

And your parallel is dumb because Lynch is like a QB being drafted who's literally never played a down of football.

And Watson was a 3-year starter; he had plenty of experience, if that's what you're looking for.

Derp RG3 was taking 2nd overall how's he doing???

That's the stupidest, f***ing logic. The actual number doesn't matter; he was the top QB taken in a strong top 10 of a draft. If you look at the success rate of QBs taken in the top 5 or top 10 versus the 2nd round, 3rd round & so on, the overwhelming best chance of being good is if you were taken where Trubisky was. The Bears aren't stupid; they traded up from 3 because someone else was going to if they didn't.

Again: he's big-boy talent. Cousins is not. Cousins is an anchor that will keep a team from reaching the top. Cousins is Jeff Garcia.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

That's the stupidest, f***ing logic. The actual number doesn't matter; he was the top QB taken in a strong top 10 of a draft. If you look at the success rate of QBs taken in the top 5 or top 10 versus the 2nd round, 3rd round & so on, the overwhelming best chance of being good is if you were taken where Trubisky was. The Bears aren't stupid; they traded up from 3 because someone else was going to if they didn't.

Again: he's big-boy talent. Cousins is not. Cousins is an anchor that will keep a team from reaching the top. Cousins is Jeff Garcia.

You're the one that brought up him being the 2nd overall pick not me! Who's stupid logic is that? This was regarded as a weak f**king ass QB class.

Jonny manziel was drafted before Derrick Carr, so don't tell me being the 1st QB drafted means they're the best at anything.... Teams reach at QB and that's been proven over and over.

Until Mitch actually throws for 4,900 yards in the NFL, takes snaps under center, and isn't playing a spread/RPO offense to help create wide f**king open passing lanes that will NOT be there in the NFL, until he does that and succeeds he shouldn't be even talked about in the same sentence as Kirk cousins who's earned the right to be a top end QB in the NFL....he wasn't given s**t and had to play with a chip on his shoulder, he's breaking team records and people still s**t on him because he wasn't "the first QB drafted" what a joke.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:
That's the stupidest, f***ing logic. The actual number doesn't matter; he was the top QB taken in a strong top 10 of a draft. If you look at the success rate of QBs taken in the top 5 or top 10 versus the 2nd round, 3rd round & so on, the overwhelming best chance of being good is if you were taken where Trubisky was. The Bears aren't stupid; they traded up from 3 because someone else was going to if they didn't.

Again: he's big-boy talent. Cousins is not. Cousins is an anchor that will keep a team from reaching the top. Cousins is Jeff Garcia.

You're the one that brought up him being the 2nd overall pick not me! Who's stupid logic is that? This was regarded as a weak f**king ass QB class.

Being picked 2 overall is a good thing, not a bad thing. It wouldn't have mattered if it were 2 or 1 or 3 or 5; he was still the top QB prospect in a very strong top of the draft.

You're the one who's trying to make this thread about Trubisky, not I.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Being picked 2 overall is a good thing, not a bad thing. It wouldn't have mattered if it were 2 or 1 or 3 or 5; he was still the top QB prospect in a very strong top of the draft.

You're the one who's trying to make this thread about Trubisky, not I.

Your original post was talking about Mitch dude...that's was one of your complaints. You also called kyle a choke-artist, yet you yourself said he was one of your top choices...don't spin s**t around. As far as Kirk and your dislike of him, that's your opinion and Mitch vs Kirk isn't even debatable.

I'll take my chance with kyle and who he wants at QB vs yours and I think most people in the WZ agree with that.

If you want to be skeptical about lynch, I get it based on lack of his resume...but thus far I haven't seen a guy who is acting like it's his first time with the moves he's made and the people he's surrounded around him, it's been a pleasant surprise ...for the first time in like 3 yrs we actually look like we have a plan.


Arrow up from the past two seasons!!

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Your original post was talking about Mitch dude...that's was one of your complaints. You also called kyle a choke-artist, yet you yourself said he was one of your top choices...don't spin s**t around.

My original post had 515 words in it, and one short sentence including Trubisky with the qualifier, "but I don't want to turn this into a Trubisky thread."

And I said Kyle was my top choice of coaches who were available, but I didn't like any of them all that much. "Choke artist" was harsh, but Peyton Manning was a choke artist; it didn't mean he can't win. He can win w/ a smart GM who has some vision, but the Niners don't have that.

The only coaching candidates I've really liked in recent memory were Pete Carroll (I was calling for the Niners to hire him when Mooch was still around), Jim Harbaugh, Dan Quinn, Andy Reid (not as a GM) & some college coaches who haven't made the jump yet.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

My original post had 515 words in it, and one short sentence including Trubisky with the qualifier, "but I don't want to turn this into a Trubisky thread."

And I said Kyle was my top choice of coaches who were available, but I didn't like any of them all that much. "Choke artist" was harsh, but Peyton Manning was a choke artist; it didn't mean he can't win. He can win w/ a smart GM who has some vision, but the Niners don't have that.

The only coaching candidates I've really liked in recent memory were Pete Carroll (I was calling for the Niners to hire him when Mooch was still around), Jim Harbaugh, Dan Quinn, Andy Reid (not as a GM) & some college coaches who haven't made the jump yet.

It's not even about this thread you've talked about Mitch and how dumb SF is for not drafting "big boy talent" in the Mitch thread/lynch thread etc...imo this thread is a extension of that complaint.

Also really don't see the point in complaining about something that's not controllable like which HC/GM were actually there to pick from. Nick Saban/Shaw aren't leaving and GMs like Ozzie aren't looking for jobs cause that have one.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

My original post had 515 words in it, and one short sentence including Trubisky with the qualifier, "but I don't want to turn this into a Trubisky thread."

And I said Kyle was my top choice of coaches who were available, but I didn't like any of them all that much. "Choke artist" was harsh, but Peyton Manning was a choke artist; it didn't mean he can't win. He can win w/ a smart GM who has some vision, but the Niners don't have that.

The only coaching candidates I've really liked in recent memory were Pete Carroll (I was calling for the Niners to hire him when Mooch was still around), Jim Harbaugh, Dan Quinn, Andy Reid (not as a GM) & some college coaches who haven't made the jump yet.

Do you have any evidence to support that our current GM doesn't have a vision ?

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:
My original post had 515 words in it, and one short sentence including Trubisky with the qualifier, "but I don't want to turn this into a Trubisky thread."

And I said Kyle was my top choice of coaches who were available, but I didn't like any of them all that much. "Choke artist" was harsh, but Peyton Manning was a choke artist; it didn't mean he can't win. He can win w/ a smart GM who has some vision, but the Niners don't have that.

The only coaching candidates I've really liked in recent memory were Pete Carroll (I was calling for the Niners to hire him when Mooch was still around), Jim Harbaugh, Dan Quinn, Andy Reid (not as a GM) & some college coaches who haven't made the jump yet.

Do you have any evidence to support that our current GM doesn't have a vision ?

Of course I don't. This is called a prediction. This is where I see Lynch taking the team based on what I think he's going to do. Just like I don't have any evidence that I think a draft pick is gonna be good or bad before he plays a single down, we're going to have to wait & see for this one as well. If I'm wrong, I'll come here & eat a buffet of crow. If I'm right, I'll be right.

If Cousins signs a long-term deal with the Redskins, that would change my entire outlook; and I'm rooting for that to happen.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

That's the stupidest, f***ing logic. The actual number doesn't matter; he was the top QB taken in a strong top 10 of a draft. If you look at the success rate of QBs taken in the top 5 or top 10 versus the 2nd round, 3rd round & so on, the overwhelming best chance of being good is if you were taken where Trubisky was. The Bears aren't stupid; they traded up from 3 because someone else was going to if they didn't.

Again: he's big-boy talent. Cousins is not. Cousins is an anchor that will keep a team from reaching the top. Cousins is Jeff Garcia.

You're the one that brought up him being the 2nd overall pick not me! Who's stupid logic is that? This was regarded as a weak f**king ass QB class.

Being picked 2 overall is a good thing, not a bad thing. It wouldn't have mattered if it were 2 or 1 or 3 or 5; he was still the top QB prospect in a very strong top of the draft.

You're the one who's trying to make this thread about Trubisky, not I.

I think we are giving the Bears organization way too much credit with their ability to fill their QB position.

This team , arguably , has never gotten it right.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

My original post had 515 words in it, and one short sentence including Trubisky with the qualifier, "but I don't want to turn this into a Trubisky thread."

And I said Kyle was my top choice of coaches who were available, but I didn't like any of them all that much. "Choke artist" was harsh, but Peyton Manning was a choke artist; it didn't mean he can't win. He can win w/ a smart GM who has some vision, but the Niners don't have that.

The only coaching candidates I've really liked in recent memory were Pete Carroll (I was calling for the Niners to hire him when Mooch was still around), Jim Harbaugh, Dan Quinn, Andy Reid (not as a GM) & some college coaches who haven't made the jump yet.

Do you have any evidence to support that our current GM doesn't have a vision ?

Of course I don't. This is called a prediction. This is where I see Lynch taking the team based on what I think he's going to do. Just like I don't have any evidence that I think a draft pick is gonna be good or bad before he plays a single down, we're going to have to wait & see for this one as well. If I'm wrong, I'll come here & eat a buffet of crow. If I'm right, I'll be right.

If Cousins signs a long-term deal with the Redskins, that would change my entire outlook; and I'm rooting for that to happen.

I'm coming around to your thinking, Sick...dang CHI scooped us and snagged Trubs wiht his 1 season of experience and then CHI also forced us to take an extra 3rd and 4th rd picks. Definitely, Lynch got his pocket picked based on those events. Also, i am delighted Trubs ended up CHI. He will fit in well there, and become your typical CHI QB. Sure a shame we didn't get in on that action. We are without a FR QB. CHI now has theirs minus their 3rd and 4th rd picks.

Being serious for a second, i would have been sick if we had taken him with our #2 pick in the draft. For awhile i thot he might be the guy, but after seeing almost all his tape, (and a good bit of that after the draft), i am sure glad he is putting on the Bears uniform....and not ours. A young, untested and untried GM manufactured that trade. If somehow Trubs becomes the next joe montana, well good for him. Not holding my breath tho. And kudos to lynch for making the deal. It was one of the best non picks we ever have made. I'm thinking back about AJ, Rashuan Woods, Drunkenmiller, etc. All #1 picks we never should have made. This isn't in THAT category, but same idea. Pretty hard to finally have a #2 pick in the draft and pass on the inadequate FR QB talent. But it was the right thing to do. It was a great non-pick .

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

My original post had 515 words in it, and one short sentence including Trubisky with the qualifier, "but I don't want to turn this into a Trubisky thread."

And I said Kyle was my top choice of coaches who were available, but I didn't like any of them all that much. "Choke artist" was harsh, but Peyton Manning was a choke artist; it didn't mean he can't win. He can win w/ a smart GM who has some vision, but the Niners don't have that.

The only coaching candidates I've really liked in recent memory were Pete Carroll (I was calling for the Niners to hire him when Mooch was still around), Jim Harbaugh, Dan Quinn, Andy Reid (not as a GM) & some college coaches who haven't made the jump yet.

Do you have any evidence to support that our current GM doesn't have a vision ?

Of course I don't. This is called a prediction. This is where I see Lynch taking the team based on what I think he's going to do. Just like I don't have any evidence that I think a draft pick is gonna be good or bad before he plays a single down, we're going to have to wait & see for this one as well. If I'm wrong, I'll come here & eat a buffet of crow. If I'm right, I'll be right.

If Cousins signs a long-term deal with the Redskins, that would change my entire outlook; and I'm rooting for that to happen.

So what do you think Lynch wants to do ? Sign Cousins I am assuming ? What else ?