Injuries - 9-Year Analysis

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NCommand:
We just might catch that 45 record from last year.

2021 Injured Reserve / PUP / NFI / Suspension Total:
T/G Justin Skule
SS Tarvarius Moore
WR/PR Richie James
RB Raheem Mostert
CB Jason Verrett
3T Javon Kinlaw
RT Mike McGlinchey
SWR Mohamed Sanu
SS Tavon Wilson
DT Darrion Daniels
RB Trey Sermon
WR Devin Funchess
FS Doug Middleton
RB Trenton Cannon
CB Emmanuel Moseley
ER Dee Ford - Active (May Revert Back)
WILL Dre Greenlaw - Active (May Revert Back)
SS Jaquiski Tartt - Active
TE George Kittle - Active
RB Jeff Wilson Jr. - Active
K Robbie Gould - Active
3T Kevin Givens - Active
RB JaMycal Hasty - Active
3T Maurice Hurst Jr. - Active
CB Davontae Harris - Active
FS Kai Nacua - Released - Resigned - Active
SS Tony Jefferson - Injury Settlement - Resigned - Active
ZWR/F Jalen Hurd - Released
LT Shon Coleman - Injury Settlement
MIKE Mychal Kendricks - Injury Settlement
ZWR Austin Watkins - Injury Settlement
CB Tim Harris Jr. - Browns
ER Jordan Willis - Suspended - Active

2021 (32) --- 2020 (45) --- 2019 (16) --- 2018 (18) --- 2017 (26) --- 2016 (22) --- 2015 (17) --- 2014 (21)

Wow, I didn't know we are that close to catching the 45 from last year.

#1) Wait,...why are you including NFI's (in the middle of a pandemic) and Suspensions on an Injury list if you're not trying to intentionally keep it high, list it next to other years with completely different roster rules and limits, and sell it to onlookers?

#2) Not only are more players playing/practicing now (the practice squad has increased from 10 to 16), but you can now return players from injured reserve with NO LIMIT. Before, you could only bring back 2 IR players (and even before that, 1 IR player), and they had to spend at least 8 weeks on IR. NOW, it's 3 weeks and you can bring back as many as you want.

Why would you NOT take advantage of this and fill a list like this up? Simply because a crazed, attention-seeking fan or two is going to spin the situation in seeking a cult following regarding it? It's called roster management, and they're simply doing their jobs. Comparing the #s to previous yrs amid a pandemic is disingenuous.

Look,...these new allowances will KEEP these numbers high from here on into the foreseeable future. You are now seeing guys get IRed that would've never been IRed before.

Without enough spots like these to help keep bodies available to be active, games get moved (see Browns-Raiders, Rams-Seahawks, WFT-Eagles already) or -- in worst case scenarios -- outright canceled, which would cost the NFL tons of money. Even with all the unknowns around Covid, they planned for just-in-cases regarding the current surge because this is a winter sport, and viruses like the current one thrive indoors when everyone's huddled up inside. They already knew that.

But for a couple, a thread like this is "their baby." They're going to nurture, water, and bump this thread as much as possible because a defeatist attitude makes football more fun, I guess.

So those that obsess over injuries already are absolutely in love with the new increased-player and IR rules, not to mention Covid, that bring and keep these totals sky high, and will not provide substance or context with them (when they repost them over and over), just as in other threads.

Last year was horrible injury-wise, but last year was set up to be weird from the beginning. Beyond that, there is no witchcraft or voodoo that is keeping us down,...and there is no need for a "woe is us" attitude as if other teams don't deal with injuries and take advantage of roster management allowances (which is all this list above really outlines) as well.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The Ravens, Seahawks and Cowboys have nearly twice the amount of cap money on the IR as the Niners do. The Ravens , Titans, Cowboys and Cards are all doing well in spite of the injuries. I think it's time we stop complaining about injuries and stop using them as an excuse.

The "IR" we used to know and the newly-defined "IR" we have now are completely different with completely different terms, yet some want to take advantage of other gullible readers into promoting it like it's "a thing" and is 49er-isolated.

With all of the people out there that can't really think for themselves, it's really sad where we're headed as a society with regards to seeking followers and hawking tinkered-with information.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The Ravens, Seahawks and Cowboys have nearly twice the amount of cap money on the IR as the Niners do. The Ravens , Titans, Cowboys and Cards are all doing well in spite of the injuries. I think it's time we stop complaining about injuries and stop using them as an excuse.

The "IR" we used to know and the newly-defined "IR" we have now are completely different with completely different terms, yet some want to take advantage of other gullible readers into promoting it like it's "a thing" and is 49er-isolated.

it's really sad where we're headed aWith all of the people out there that can't really think for themselves,s a society with regards to seeking followers and hawking tinkered-with information.

Isn't that the same as what the sports opinion shows on network TV have been doing for years for fans who want an ex player or sports Journalist to make up their mind for them?

The good part of your point is that you have educated some who may not have joined the dots or realized the difference. Most folks I would guess don't have the time or inclination to trawl through mountains of rules and stats and appreciate those that take the time to put their opinion and data up as a hobby.

It is not only social media that has had an impact on sports fans voices. You can thank sports gambling and fan fantasy/draft team competitions too. Either way the NFL loves it since they are more engaged.

If this kind of forum writing is bothersome to you please be nice about the thread makers because it takes courage to write something that must be well thought out lest it be torn apart by the ravaging wolves.

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The Ravens, Seahawks and Cowboys have nearly twice the amount of cap money on the IR as the Niners do. The Ravens , Titans, Cowboys and Cards are all doing well in spite of the injuries. I think it's time we stop complaining about injuries and stop using them as an excuse.

The "IR" we used to know and the newly-defined "IR" we have now are completely different with completely different terms, yet some want to take advantage of other gullible readers into promoting it like it's "a thing" and is 49er-isolated.

it's really sad where we're headed aWith all of the people out there that can't really think for themselves,s a society with regards to seeking followers and hawking tinkered-with information.

Isn't that the same as what the sports opinion shows on network TV have been doing for years for fans who want an ex player or sports Journalist to make up their mind for them?

The good part of your point is that you have educated some who may not have joined the dots or realized the difference. Most folks I would guess don't have the time or inclination to trawl through mountains of rules and stats and appreciate those that take the time to put their opinion and data up as a hobby.

It is not only social media that has had an impact on sports fans voices. You can thank sports gambling and fan fantasy/draft team competitions too. Either way the NFL loves it since they are more engaged.

If this kind of forum writing is bothersome to you please be nice about the thread makers because it takes courage to write something that must be well thought out lest it be torn apart by the ravaging wolves.

What is he randoming about in here? #PostsBlocked

Originally posted by NCommand:
Like Eric Davis just said on his podcast, "When we need them most, they aren't there."

God, isn't this the truth.

So many guys not on I.R. not playing regularly either (i.e. Mitchell, Greenlaw, Moseley, Hurst, Johnson, etc.).

2021 Injured Reserve / PUP / NFI / Suspension Total:
T/G Justin Skule
SS Tarvarius Moore
WR/PR Richie James
RB Raheem Mostert
CB Jason Verrett
3T Javon Kinlaw
RT Mike McGlinchey
SWR Mohamed Sanu
SS Tavon Wilson
DT Darrion Daniels
RB Trey Sermon
WR Devin Funchess
FS Doug Middleton
RB Trenton Cannon
CB Emmanuel Moseley
ER Dee Ford (Permanent)
SS Jaquiski Tartt - Active
TE George Kittle - Active
RB Jeff Wilson Jr. - Active
K Robbie Gould - Active
3T Kevin Givens - Active
RB JaMycal Hasty - Active
WILL Dre Greenlaw - Active (Not Playing)
3T Maurice Hurst Jr. - Active (Not Playing)
FS Kai Nacua - Released - Resigned - Active
SS Tony Jefferson - Injury Settlement - Resigned - Active
ZWR/F Jalen Hurd - Released
LT Shon Coleman - Injury Settlement
MIKE Mychal Kendricks - Injury Settlement
ZWR Austin Watkins - Injury Settlement
CB Tim Harris Jr. - Browns
CB Davontae Harris - Chargers
ER Jordan Willis - Suspended - Active

2021 (32) --- 2020 (45) --- 2019 (16) --- 2018 (18) --- 2017 (26) --- 2016 (22) --- 2015 (17) --- 2014 (21)

I looked for Mitchell's name. Did i miss it? Or maybe you may not have him in there because hes not out for a while. But he is *injured* too.

Edit: found him way at the very top.

Originally posted by Giedi:
I looked for Mitchell's name. Did i miss it? Or maybe you may not have him in there because hes not out for a while. But he is *injured* too.

Edit: found him way at the very top.

Exactly why AGL is so important. Soooo many guys don't even go on I.R. and still don't play so many games. Lost games, lost snaps. I.R. only tells a very small portion of the whole picture, hence the making of this thread years ago.

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The Ravens, Seahawks and Cowboys have nearly twice the amount of cap money on the IR as the Niners do. The Ravens , Titans, Cowboys and Cards are all doing well in spite of the injuries. I think it's time we stop complaining about injuries and stop using them as an excuse.

The "IR" we used to know and the newly-defined "IR" we have now are completely different with completely different terms, yet some want to take advantage of other gullible readers into promoting it like it's "a thing" and is 49er-isolated.

it's really sad where we're headed aWith all of the people out there that can't really think for themselves,s a society with regards to seeking followers and hawking tinkered-with information.

Isn't that the same as what the sports opinion shows on network TV have been doing for years for fans who want an ex player or sports Journalist to make up their mind for them?

The good part of your point is that you have educated some who may not have joined the dots or realized the difference. Most folks I would guess don't have the time or inclination to trawl through mountains of rules and stats and appreciate those that take the time to put their opinion and data up as a hobby.

It is not only social media that has had an impact on sports fans voices. You can thank sports gambling and fan fantasy/draft team competitions too. Either way the NFL loves it since they are more engaged.

If this kind of forum writing is bothersome to you please be nice about the thread makers because it takes courage to write something that must be well thought out lest it be torn apart by the ravaging wolves.

Yes Yes.
Well,...for those that have an open mind and at least can understand that the IR allowances is a NEW THING and that there's really no point of keeping a season's tally and comparing it to past years, there are outside opinions of how healthy we've been this year, comparatively.

Last week, ESPN has us as the 12th healthiest team in the league right now -- again -- comparatively:


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32780223/which-nfl-teams-healthiest-homestretch-do-injury-checkup-all-32

The next graphic charts past games lost instead of current health, but is interesting to look @:


Last year wasn't great. This year's not ideal either, but next to no team has it ideal and some have had it worse than us. Man Games Lost is a good website to track with for those that have an injury obsession.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The Ravens, Seahawks and Cowboys have nearly twice the amount of cap money on the IR as the Niners do. The Ravens , Titans, Cowboys and Cards are all doing well in spite of the injuries. I think it's time we stop complaining about injuries and stop using them as an excuse.

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The "IR" we used to know and the newly-defined "IR" we have now are completely different with completely different terms, yet some want to take advantage of other gullible readers into promoting it like it's "a thing" and is 49er-isolated.

it's really sad where we're headed aWith all of the people out there that can't really think for themselves,s a society with regards to seeking followers and hawking tinkered-with information.

Isn't that the same as what the sports opinion shows on network TV have been doing for years for fans who want an ex player or sports Journalist to make up their mind for them?

The good part of your point is that you have educated some who may not have joined the dots or realized the difference. Most folks I would guess don't have the time or inclination to trawl through mountains of rules and stats and appreciate those that take the time to put their opinion and data up as a hobby.

It is not only social media that has had an impact on sports fans voices. You can thank sports gambling and fan fantasy/draft team competitions too. Either way the NFL loves it since they are more engaged.

If this kind of forum writing is bothersome to you please be nice about the thread makers because it takes courage to write something that must be well thought out lest it be torn apart by the ravaging wolves.

Yes Yes.
Well,...for those that have an open mind and at least can understand that the IR allowances is a NEW THING and that there's really no point of keeping a season's tally and comparing it to past years, there are outside opinions of how healthy we've been this year, comparatively.

Last week, ESPN has us as the 12th healthiest team in the league right now -- again -- comparatively:


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32780223/which-nfl-teams-healthiest-homestretch-do-injury-checkup-all-32

The next graphic charts past games lost instead of current health, but is interesting to look @:


Last year wasn't great. This year's not ideal either, but next to no team has it ideal and some have had it worse than us. Man Games Lost is a good website to track with for those that have an injury obsession.

I had to unblock your posts in hoping you actually had something to add to the topic. As useful...nope.

"Last year wasn't great." ~ random49er

The Niners' total adjusted games lost is the second-most over the past 20 NFL seasons. Only the 2016 Chicago Bears had a higher total than San Francisco, with 171.6. ... Even when the Niners made it to the Super Bowl in 2019, they had the sixth-most adjusted games lost.

And you wonder why nobody responds to you.

Back to blocked.

Also, if anyone needs another source, I heard on the Rush podcast that there's a metric out there that specifically tracks the number of games missed by projected starters from the start of the season and we're #1 (worst) in that too.

Already gave a graphic that covers that,...it's right above, lol. ManGamesLost is just fine and will be updated regularly since it's putting us on the field with everyone else if you are able to read it. Quick. Easy. Representative.

1) In terms of injury impact/quality of players, we have the 3rd largest circle. Still not great,...but with missing starters like McGlinchey/Verrett/Mostert, it's a tally that's only going to compound, because they are out for the season. Mostert kinda chose to enlarge our circle here and just have the surgery instead of coming back, IIRC.

IOW,...it's an "it is what it is" metric that's not necessarily being made any worse by new events. Ironically, the 2 teams that have had it worse than us in this department also have better records (Baltimore and Green Bay). Their site says the Saints is in there as well, but cant locate them. Either way, all 3 worst teams in this dept are above 0.500. Make of it what you wish.

e.g.,...Green Bay is 2nd largest/2nd worst, and yet is in 1st place in their division and the conference. Why? Aaron Rodgers.

2) In terms of total # of games missed due to injuries,...not happy with that either but we are 9th,...right behind Dallas on this chart, not 1st.

Still not great, but not the worst either, and it kinda kills the conspiracy theories that it's "only us," IMO.



#UnbiasedChart
#LetsTalkTruth

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I looked for Mitchell's name. Did i miss it? Or maybe you may not have him in there because hes not out for a while. But he is *injured* too.

Edit: found him way at the very top.

Exactly why AGL is so important. Soooo many guys don't even go on I.R. and still don't play so many games. Lost games, lost snaps. I.R. only tells a very small portion of the whole picture, hence the making of this thread years ago.

Agree. I started being aware of injuries when Crabtree went down, and Marcus Lattimore wasn't able to come back from that Knee injury. Glad somebody started actually gathering some great data on this critical aspect of the game.

Great stuff NC!

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Least healthiest team in the league....

Think about how bad the Bucs looked on SNF and then think about the crap our HC and QB have taken this year...

Originally posted by jonnydel:
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Here is every NFL team ranked from least healthy to most healthy entering Sunday games today ⬇️ @sportsdocmatt pic.twitter.com/5TjYL3lYfq

— FOX Sports: NFL (@NFLonFOX) December 19, 2021

Least healthiest team in the league....

Think about how bad the Bucs looked on SNF and then think about the crap our HC and QB have taken this year...

Sf, AZ, and LA Rams are up there in the most injured group in that info-graphic. I think one factor is the bruising nature of the NFC West, it's teams are all playoff contenders year in and year out. It's the toughest league to play in, in the NFL. Even though the Sea Chickens are one of the healtier teams, they don't have a lot of talent and I think all (or most) of their RB's are out too.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
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Here is every NFL team ranked from least healthy to most healthy entering Sunday games today ⬇️ @sportsdocmatt pic.twitter.com/5TjYL3lYfq

— FOX Sports: NFL (@NFLonFOX) December 19, 2021

Least healthiest team in the league....

Think about how bad the Bucs looked on SNF and then think about the crap our HC and QB have taken this year...

What goes into least healthy, though? Major starters out? We have several and it's not going to change.

The total # of games missed by players due to injuries we are 9th, just as I showed. And cue the point about taking advantage of the new IR rules as well. As a team, why wouldn't you? So people can't tabulate lists you don't really care about?

I mean if your goal is to search and search for metrics until you find one where we're at the bottom, though, lol,...then go ahead.

But context puts everything into perspective.

https://www.foxsports.com/watch/1976030787947
And this one you cant because the Dr. responsible for it says a bunch of "secret, proprietary algorithms go into the score." IOW, it's some doctor no one here can name, and you just have to take his word for it that it's accurate, lol.

Context context.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree. I started being aware of injuries when Crabtree went down, and Marcus Lattimore wasn't able to come back from that Knee injury. Glad somebody started actually gathering some great data on this critical aspect of the game.

Great stuff NC!

My pleasure, bud. But, this is my least favorite thread of mine for obvious reasons. LOL

And credit to FO's AGL...definitely the most widely respected comprehensive stat. I just put it all together so you can see us compared to the rest of the league and see the line over and under that greatly increases or decreases your chances of making the playoffs.

Injuries (health) are as strong of a correlation as it gets...like the number of turnovers in a game and the odds of winning.