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Originally posted by random49er:


Patriots, Dallas, New England all hit harder,....all doing better thus far. Green Bay has lost more quality of players per than everyone but Baltimore in this metric but has the best record in the league.

Needless bump to keep this thread alive. Injuries are simply a part of the game.

1. In your desire to kill this thread why are you comparing this 1 partial year to 7 years?
2. Not sure why you mentioned the same team twice but am assuming you meant Titans?
3. I am not sure what metric they use for player quality but take the QB out of GB for any games and see where they sit.
4. But since you brought it up the very fact that the team is ranked by this metric in quality lost just this season in the top 4 and top 10 in games missed just highlights how badly injuries are for the team after 7 years.
5. Week 17 graph will be very interesting since a lot has changed.
6. Injuries seem to be very much just a part of the 49ers game. Especially over the past 7 years. Thank you for reminding us our dismal it is.

Fortunately the team has quality in patches that can win despite the injuries.
Originally posted by random49er:


Patriots, Dallas, New England all hit harder,....all doing better thus far. Green Bay has lost more quality of players per than everyone but Baltimore in this metric but has the best record in the league.

Needless bump to keep this thread alive. Injuries are simply a part of the game.

Lol I remember when I lived in denial too

no offense but this is still the laziest narrative ever. It's been debunked every single year.
Originally posted by stefano89:
Originally posted by random49er:


Patriots, Dallas, New England all hit harder,....all doing better thus far. Green Bay has lost more quality of players per than everyone but Baltimore in this metric but has the best record in the league.

Needless bump to keep this thread alive. Injuries are simply a part of the game.

Lol I remember when I lived in denial too

no offense but this is still the laziest narrative ever. It's been debunked every single year.

LOL.

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Another Astro-turf game. My prayer to the football gods. Please be fair Football Gods! No injuries to *either* team on this stupid, should-be-banned playing surface called Astro-turf!
Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:
1. In your desire to kill this thread why are you comparing this 1 partial year to 7 years?
2. Not sure why you mentioned the same team twice but am assuming you meant Titans?
3. I am not sure what metric they use for player quality but take the QB out of GB for any games and see where they sit.
4. But since you brought it up the very fact that the team is ranked by this metric in quality lost just this season in the top 4 and top 10 in games missed just highlights how badly injuries are for the team after 7 years.
5. Week 17 graph will be very interesting since a lot has changed.
6. Injuries seem to be very much just a part of the 49ers game. Especially over the past 7 years. Thank you for reminding us our dismal it is.

Fortunately the team has quality in patches that can win despite the injuries.

Cant reply to everything unless you truly want a book written,...but no sir,...you have me all wrong.

1. Desire to kill the thread? There is none.

If you were to read my posts regularly,...I'd say at most, there's a desire to kill conspiracy theories that I'll chime in with information a little closer towards the center than what's being put out there.

But dont get me wrong: If there are 100's of Qanan-type followers of a particular conspiracy, and that conspiracy gets watered and fed on a weekly basis, I know that a few posts here or there with alternative facts are not going to turn all of them around.

However,...if 1 to 2 zombies are picked off every now and then, then it was all worth it.

I see the same kinds of stuff with how some fans & their followers view officiating. "We never get the calls,....the other teams always get all the calls! It's like this every week!" When the reality is sometimes the officiating's just not all that great for both teams.

3. The theme of this thread has a "woe is us" vibe to it. Take GB's QB out of a game or two? That's exactly what happened,...he missed a game and they still have the best record. Our QB's missed a game or two as well. So what?

This is a brutal sport and injuries are flat out bound to happen, and it's never going to be a fair distribution across the league in any particular year. That's just not how variables and probability work.

But does that mean I should sit here and support the suggestion of some kind of "connection" between Jimmy Ward's early career injuries and Jimmy's current injury in his thumb? <---- This is the stuff that crosses the line for me, though you are entitled to disagree. A look at things for a year to two? Sure That's how long some guys take to heal up. But 7 years? Zap out of it, lol.

This is a professional organization operating a multi-billion dollar franchise. If there are/were simple cause and effect connections between injuries, they are dealt with plenty before we have a clue about them and things go forward.

Yes, we've had bad luck with injuries like McGlinchey, Mostert, and Kinlaw not being available. Guess what? So have alot of other teams, which evens things out a bit and IMO, isin't worth dwelling on.

6. It's dismal for virtually all 32 teams. That's the nature of this sport. It's very challenging physically, and we're talking well over 50+ players to track and keep up with as far as injuries are concerned. If it's some kind of depression thing it sets you in because of it, you've simply chosen the wrong sport to follow.

Something like table tennis would be much more relaxing on the nerves.

7. I know there was no #7,...but I'd just like to use this space to mention that data from neutral observers is extremely useful,...hence the chart from the company that compiles and follows this stuff the most (for betting purposes I'm sure).
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[ Edited by random49er on Jan 5, 2022 at 1:24 PM ]
Originally posted by stefano89:
Originally posted by random49er:


Patriots, Dallas, New England all hit harder,....all doing better thus far. Green Bay has lost more quality of players per than everyone but Baltimore in this metric but has the best record in the league.

Needless bump to keep this thread alive. Injuries are simply a part of the game.

Lol I remember when I lived in denial too

no offense but this is still the laziest narrative ever. It's been debunked every single year.

What's been debunked? That Baltimore's been brutalized when it comes to injuries compared to us? Or that so has Green Bay (regarding the cumulative quality of injured players?), but are pegged Super Bowl favorites by many anyway?

If you see some "clear" linkage between stuff that's happened 7 years ago on this team regarding injuries and Jimmy's thumb or Trey's index finger this year....lol,....let's hear it now! This should be good!

[ Edited by random49er on Jan 5, 2022 at 1:31 PM ]
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by stefano89:
Originally posted by random49er:


Patriots, Dallas, New England all hit harder,....all doing better thus far. Green Bay has lost more quality of players per than everyone but Baltimore in this metric but has the best record in the league.

Needless bump to keep this thread alive. Injuries are simply a part of the game.

Lol I remember when I lived in denial too

no offense but this is still the laziest narrative ever. It's been debunked every single year.

What's been debunked? That Baltimore's been brutalized when it comes to injuries compared to us? Or that so has Green Bay (regarding the cumulative quality of injured players?), but are pegged Super Bowl favorites by many anyway?

If you see some "clear" linkage between stuff that's happened 7 years ago on this team regarding injuries and Jimmy's thumb or Trey's index finger this year....lol,....let's hear it now! This should be good!


I don't think there's some crazy Levi's curse or something superstitious. I think we just have a FO obsessed with signing injury prone players and we also have an extremely inept S&C Dept including our medical people. Our training an practicing is part of it too. Staley even admitted it. A player who played for this FO said it himself! That we're doing things wrong! What else do we need to hear! Are the results not enough?? We're doing things wrong. I think our doctors also misdiagnose stuff cause all the time guys ply that aren't ready yet. And one injury someone turns into another. Does anyone else rememebr this kinda stuff with other FO?? I don't. Cause it didn't happen.

this all started when we brought in that medical guy from the NHL. Funny how are problems really exploded when that happend, guess it's just a coincidence right?? My ass it is. Change is needed.

i agree the nfl is a rough sport an there is injuries league wide. But no other team has been decimated by losing players an starters to injury like we have the last 5-7 years. The fact that we're what 9-7 now is miraculous and proof of how deep our roster is an how talented our coaching is. It's tragic that Wel never know even 95% of our teams full potential cause Wel never be that healthy. Most teams would have maybe 4-5 wins a season with the amount of losses we sustain every season.

change is needed or else we're just gonna see 2020 an 2021 repeated every year. Until they ditch the NHL guy experiment and drastically change training/conditioning prepare for the same thing as the last two years regardless how talented we are.
[ Edited by stefano89 on Jan 5, 2022 at 2:13 PM ]
Originally posted by stefano89:
I don't think there's some crazy Levi's curse or something superstitious. I think we just have a FO obsessed with signing injury prone players and we also have an extremely inept S&C Dept including our medical people.

Front office taking chances on injured players? Yes,...sure,....they've benefitted from it as well, however. It's a game of chance that hasn't been completely one-sided,...but there have been foul ups and when you're going to roll the dice all the time in that department, those will happen.

The inept S&C stuff and inept medical people stuff just not buying this line regarding our issues,....much less buying it over the course of a little less than a decade here. I think it's just an easy go to for emotional fans. It's easier to blame things you don't really know about and can't come close to proving.
Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:
1. In your desire to kill this thread why are you comparing this 1 partial year to 7 years?
2. Not sure why you mentioned the same team twice but am assuming you meant Titans?
3. I am not sure what metric they use for player quality but take the QB out of GB for any games and see where they sit.
4. But since you brought it up the very fact that the team is ranked by this metric in quality lost just this season in the top 4 and top 10 in games missed just highlights how badly injuries are for the team after 7 years.
5. Week 17 graph will be very interesting since a lot has changed.
6. Injuries seem to be very much just a part of the 49ers game. Especially over the past 7 years. Thank you for reminding us our dismal it is.

Fortunately the team has quality in patches that can win despite the injuries.


Originally posted by stefano89:
Lol I remember when I lived in denial too

no offense but this is still the laziest narrative ever. It's been debunked every single year.

Yeah I just ignore random, it's proven time and time again that he lives in denial and is always wrong. He has a narrative to push and he's definitely wrong yet again. The Niners were hit so hard by impact injuries this year we would've easily won 4-5 more games no question about it..Verrett huge, Ford huge, Mostert huge in the games Mitchell has been out, Greenlaw huge especially when Shaair is out, Moseley huge considering his surprisingly great play, Kinlaw huge on run D, and so on
[ Edited by elguapo on Jan 5, 2022 at 4:02 PM ]
Originally posted by elguapo:
Yeah I just ignore random, it's proven time and time again that he lives in denial and is always wrong. He has a narrative to push and he's definitely wrong yet again. "ONLY" The Niners were hit so hard by impact injuries this year we would've easily won 4-5 more games no question about it..Verrett huge, Ford huge, Mostert huge in the games Mitchell has been out, Greenlaw huge especially when Shaair is out, Moseley huge considering his surprisingly great play, Kinlaw huge on run D, and so on

Lol,...edited your words to show the fantasy world you're living in with this stuff.

I love even moreso when posters admit that they ignore opposing viewpoints and unbiased outside observations (such as in the updated chart I post below) that take them out of their "comfort zone." You just further my point.

[ Edited by random49er on Jan 5, 2022 at 10:15 PM ]
Originally posted by random49er:
Cant reply to everything unless you truly want a book written,...but no sir,...you have me all wrong.

1. Desire to kill the thread? There is none.

If you were to read my posts regularly,...I'd say at most, there's a desire to kill conspiracy theories that I'll chime in with information a little closer towards the center than what's being put out there.

But dont get me wrong: If there are 100's of Qanan-type followers of a particular conspiracy, and that conspiracy gets watered and fed on a weekly basis, I know that a few posts here or there with alternative facts are not going to turn all of them around.

However,...if 1 to 2 zombies are picked off every now and then, then it was all worth it.

I see the same kinds of stuff with how some fans & their followers view officiating. "We never get the calls,....the other teams always get all the calls! It's like this every week!" When the reality is sometimes the officiating's just not all that great for both teams.

3. The theme of this thread has a "woe is us" vibe to it. Take GB's QB out of a game or two? That's exactly what happened,...he missed a game and they still have the best record. Our QB's missed a game or two as well. So what?

This is a brutal sport and injuries are flat out bound to happen, and it's never going to be a fair distribution across the league in any particular year. That's just not how variables and probability work.

But does that mean I should sit here and support the suggestion of some kind of "connection" between Jimmy Ward's early career injuries and Jimmy's current injury in his thumb? <---- This is the stuff that crosses the line for me, though you are entitled to disagree. A look at things for a year to two? Sure That's how long some guys take to heal up. But 7 years? Zap out of it, lol.

This is a professional organization operating a multi-billion dollar franchise. If there are/were simple cause and effect connections between injuries, they are dealt with plenty before we have a clue about them and things go forward.

Yes, we've had bad luck with injuries like McGlinchey, Mostert, and Kinlaw not being available. Guess what? So have alot of other teams, which evens things out a bit and IMO, isin't worth dwelling on.

6. It's dismal for virtually all 32 teams. That's the nature of this sport. It's very challenging physically, and we're talking well over 50+ players to track and keep up with as far as injuries are concerned. If it's some kind of depression thing it sets you in because of it, you've simply chosen the wrong sport to follow.

Something like table tennis would be much more relaxing on the nerves.

7. I know there was no #7,...but I'd just like to use this space to mention that data from neutral observers is extremely useful,...hence the chart from the company that compiles and follows this stuff the most (for betting purposes I'm sure).
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Good. Agree to disagree.
The whole tenet of this thread is to analyze the past 7 years to see a pattern as to why this team by the stats presented are at the wrong end of the injury bug which I see you agree with.
Your argument that all teams are injured the same does not wash though. Or do you mean the sample period is not long enough?
I also don't care about conspiracy theories or bad juju etc. but am open to the idea of poor management from a moneyball point of view since there are very few other explanations. That is not a conspiracy. It's called gambling.
Coaches have come and gone as well as players and training staff. Why does this team have so few winning seasons over the past 7 years? Why did a championship quality team implode in one season so dramatically?
The multigazillion dollar business you refer to has made a ton of poor decisions along the way and is not immune from making them again. I thought the recent HC and GM change was a move in the right direction though and hope it keeps going that way but have seem some cracks lately.
I'm a niner fan through and through but would never relate that thinking the team's dismal injury record would cause a fan to be depressed. Why would you make such a an inference?. Then double down and virtually say I should go watch table tennis. That tends to be the kind stretch you seem to be making often. And it seems to have a negative affect on your conversations amongst others on here.

And please don't put Jimmy G anywhere near a comparison to Rodgers.
Originally posted by random49er:
Lol,...edited your words to show the fantasy world you're living in with this stuff.

I love even moreso when posters admit that they ignore opposing viewpoints and unbiased outside observations (such as in the updated chart I post below) that take them out of their "comfort zone." You just further my point.


Philly is out?
More proof of the Rams remaining a top 1 or 2 team in health on the aggregate average rank in AGL...and us:

Week 18
San Francisco 49ers Friday Practice
Did Not Participate In Practice
LB Azeez Al-Shaair (knee), T Trent Williams (elbow)

Limited Participation in Practice
QB Jimmy Garoppolo (right thumb), LB Dre Greenlaw (groin), LB Marcell Harris (Achilles), DL Maurice Hurst (calf), S Jaquiski Tartt (shoulder)

Full Participation in Practice
DL Nick Bosa (not injury related - resting player), S Talanoa Hufanga (knee), C Alex Mack (not injury related - resting player), RB Elijah Mitchell (knee)

Los Angeles Rams
None
Originally posted by elguapo:
Yeah I just ignore random...

Wise to block his randomness. It's been wonderful.
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Just ignore it.
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