Injuries - 9-Year Analysis

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Verrett was the one that hurt the most. We gave up over 200 yards to Kupp/OBJ, and a boat load of third down conversions in the NFCCG. We still would've had a hard time with those two, but in a close 3 point loss…. having our starting CB could've made a huge difference.

Mostert hurt a lot in the beginning of the season, but Elijah Mitchell's emergence and Deebo playing at RB worked out very well.

Exactly. If we had Verrett there is absolutely no chance we lose the NFCCGand the SB. As a matter of fact we most likely win the division with that one player. Games that were close where we had street FA cb's like Norman or rookies that gave up yards, pass interference penalties and TD's we would've EASILY won. IND, GB either Seattle game and the first Arizona those alone were gimmies.

We all know Verrett shut down so many wrs last year including DK Metcalf and Hopkins so to say we wouldn't of won those extremely close games would be ridiculous.

We should of planned for the Verrett injury by getting Casey Hayward and that would of been all the difference in the playoffs and eventually SB. It pisses me off.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Here's the grand list. Most made it back to Active. The bold are the ones of your interest.

T/G Justin Skule
SS Tarvarius Moore
WR/PR Richie James
RB Raheem Mostert
CB Jason Verrett
3T Javon Kinlaw
RT Mike McGlinchey
DT Darrion Daniels
WR Devin Funchess
FS Doug Middleton
ER Dee Ford
RB Trenton Cannon - Active
SWR Mohamed Sanu - Active
SS Tavon Wilson - Active
CB Emmanuel Moseley - Active
RB Trey Sermon - Active
WILL Dre Greenlaw - Active
SS Jaquiski Tartt - Active
TE George Kittle - Active
RB Jeff Wilson Jr. - Active
K Robbie Gould - Active
3T Kevin Givens - Active
RB JaMycal Hasty - Active
3T Maurice Hurst Jr. - Active
FS Kai Nacua - Released - Resigned - Active
SS Tony Jefferson - Injury Settlement - Resigned - Active
ZWR/F Jalen Hurd - Released
LT Shon Coleman - Injury Settlement
MIKE Mychal Kendricks - Injury Settlement
ZWR Austin Watkins - Injury Settlement
CB Tim Harris Jr. - Browns
CB Davontae Harris - Chargers
ER Jordan Willis - Suspended - Active

2021 (32) --- 2020 (45) --- 2019 (16) --- 2018 (18) --- 2017 (26) --- 2016 (22) --- 2015 (17) --- 2014 (21)

Thank you.

Any time!

These would be the most important, IMHO:
SS Tarvarius Moore
RB Raheem Mostert
CB Jason Verrett
3T Javon Kinlaw
RT Mike McGlinchey
DT Darrion Daniels

It will be interesting how they will draft in 2022, with only DB and OLine as true weaknesses of this team. In 2021, it felt like they added more depth than talent. Two RB's, three DB's, a QB and two OLine - these traditionally were areas that were hit hard by injuries in years past. It just so happens that Mitchell was a day three surprise Gem and Ambry and Huf were surprise players that are probably starter level players if they can continue to develop.

I can see them going the same way again, adding two Oline, two Rb's, two Db's, and this time adding a DLineman instead of a QB. I can see them going for a guy like Tyrod Taylor, or his clone in free agency to bolster the QB depth. But I think they will (or should) draft for possible injuries in 2022. Lucky they drafted mitchell when Mostert and Wilson went down. They had some OLine depth when McGlinchy went down. They had promising DB rookies when Vertett went down, and for the most part Jimmy stayed healthy at QB.

We've got plenty of depth now. I'd like to see them add a few more top end difference makers how at difference making positions.

At this point, I'd rather have depth than talent. I have to take a look at the 2022 schedule and see how many astroturf games we have next year, but 2020, I think we had 9+ games on astroturf and whatever depth we had was gone by mid-season that year. I don't know if it was the smartest thing to play Trent vs McKivitz in the NFCCG, but for sure I think I'd want at least one more Otackle depth on that OLine. Banks and Moore have to step it up, but I'd rather not depend on that and add another OLineman to that mix. Maybe via free agency or via draft.

for 2022 there are six games on astro-turf by my count.
LA Rams - AstroTurf
Seattle Seahawks - AstroTurf
New Orlean Saints - AstroTurf
Atlanta Falcons - AstroTurf
Carolina Panthers - AstroTurf
Los Angeles Chargers - AstroTurf,

The rest of the games will be on grass. That's about 35% of the games will be on astro turf in 2022, versus this year which was (I think) about 4-5 games were on astroturf in 2021 -- which is about 24% to 29% this year. So look for more injuries next year, vs this years injuries.

Originally posted by Giedi:
for 2022 there are six games on astro-turf by my count.
LA Rams - AstroTurf
Seattle Seahawks - AstroTurf
New Orlean Saints - AstroTurf
Atlanta Falcons - AstroTurf
Carolina Panthers - AstroTurf
Los Angeles Chargers - AstroTurf,

The rest of the games will be on grass. That's about 35% of the games will be on astro turf in 2022, versus this year which was (I think) about 4-5 games were on astroturf in 2021 -- which is about 24% to 29% this year. So look for more injuries next year, vs this years injuries.

Great point!

have we dumped our incompetent medical staff yet?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
for 2022 there are six games on astro-turf by my count.
LA Rams - AstroTurf
Seattle Seahawks - AstroTurf
New Orlean Saints - AstroTurf
Atlanta Falcons - AstroTurf
Carolina Panthers - AstroTurf
Los Angeles Chargers - AstroTurf,

The rest of the games will be on grass. That's about 35% of the games will be on astro turf in 2022, versus this year which was (I think) about 4-5 games were on astroturf in 2021 -- which is about 24% to 29% this year. So look for more injuries next year, vs this years injuries.

Great point!

Some of these teams are playing like 10 to 12 games a year on AstroTurf though so that's not a good excuse

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
for 2022 there are six games on astro-turf by my count.
LA Rams - AstroTurf
Seattle Seahawks - AstroTurf
New Orlean Saints - AstroTurf
Atlanta Falcons - AstroTurf
Carolina Panthers - AstroTurf
Los Angeles Chargers - AstroTurf,

The rest of the games will be on grass. That's about 35% of the games will be on astro turf in 2022, versus this year which was (I think) about 4-5 games were on astroturf in 2021 -- which is about 24% to 29% this year. So look for more injuries next year, vs this years injuries.

Great point!

Some of these teams are playing like 10 to 12 games a year on AstroTurf though so that's not a good excuse

It's not an excuse it's a reality. Player injuries are increased over 30-40% (knee and lower body injuries) on astroturf and just bc our players get injured more than almost any other team makes those other teams simply more fortunate or lucky

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
for 2022 there are six games on astro-turf by my count.
LA Rams - AstroTurf
Seattle Seahawks - AstroTurf
New Orlean Saints - AstroTurf
Atlanta Falcons - AstroTurf
Carolina Panthers - AstroTurf
Los Angeles Chargers - AstroTurf,

The rest of the games will be on grass. That's about 35% of the games will be on astro turf in 2022, versus this year which was (I think) about 4-5 games were on astroturf in 2021 -- which is about 24% to 29% this year. So look for more injuries next year, vs this years injuries.

Great point!

Some of these teams are playing like 10 to 12 games a year on AstroTurf though so that's not a good excuse

It's not an excuse it's a reality. Player injuries are increased over 30-40% (knee and lower body injuries) on astroturf and just bc our players get injured more than almost any other team makes those other teams simply more fortunate or lucky

These fake grass fields have to change - how many more guys are going to pop an ACL or Achilles, before they finally ban them.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
for 2022 there are six games on astro-turf by my count.
LA Rams - AstroTurf
Seattle Seahawks - AstroTurf
New Orlean Saints - AstroTurf
Atlanta Falcons - AstroTurf
Carolina Panthers - AstroTurf
Los Angeles Chargers - AstroTurf,

The rest of the games will be on grass. That's about 35% of the games will be on astro turf in 2022, versus this year which was (I think) about 4-5 games were on astroturf in 2021 -- which is about 24% to 29% this year. So look for more injuries next year, vs this years injuries.

Great point!

Some of these teams are playing like 10 to 12 games a year on AstroTurf though so that's not a good excuse

It's not an excuse it's a reality. Player injuries are increased over 30-40% (knee and lower body injuries) on astroturf and just bc our players get injured more than almost any other team makes those other teams simply more fortunate or lucky

Agree. I'll just add that the nature of Kyle's offense, the outside zone run (for example) requires a strong cut upfield by the third step. Cutting 90 degrees on rubberized concrete at full speed is dangerous to your knee ligaments, specially if you are hit just as you are cutting upfield. Usually an elite athlete like Mostert is almost at full speed at the 3rd step. I could go into the OLinemen and thier requirement of a reach block on rubberized concrete in zone blocking, and the WRs blocking in space etc... but i won't. I'll let NC detail those out.

Astro-turf has affected our team badly in the past. Games in seattle usually result in some serious injury to our players, for example. Point is injuries are a serous problem for *every* team in the NFL, but for the 49ers in particular because (one explanation is) of the nature of Kyle's offense.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
for 2022 there are six games on astro-turf by my count.
LA Rams - AstroTurf
Seattle Seahawks - AstroTurf
New Orlean Saints - AstroTurf
Atlanta Falcons - AstroTurf
Carolina Panthers - AstroTurf
Los Angeles Chargers - AstroTurf,

The rest of the games will be on grass. That's about 35% of the games will be on astro turf in 2022, versus this year which was (I think) about 4-5 games were on astroturf in 2021 -- which is about 24% to 29% this year. So look for more injuries next year, vs this years injuries.

Great point!

Some of these teams are playing like 10 to 12 games a year on AstroTurf though so that's not a good excuse

It's not an excuse it's a reality. Player injuries are increased over 30-40% (knee and lower body injuries) on astroturf and just bc our players get injured more than almost any other team makes those other teams simply more fortunate or lucky

Agree. I'll just add that the nature of Kyle's offense, the outside zone run (for example) requires a strong cut upfield by the third step. Cutting 90 degrees on rubberized concrete at full speed is dangerous to your knee ligaments, specially if you are hit just as you are cutting upfield. Usually an elite athlete like Mostert is almost at full speed at the 3rd step. I could go into the OLinemen and thier requirement of a reach block on rubberized concrete in zone blocking, and the WRs blocking in space etc... but i won't. I'll let NC detail those out.

Astro-turf has affected our team badly in the past. Games in seattle usually result in some serious injury to our players, for example. Point is injuries are a serous problem for *every* team in the NFL, but for the 49ers in particular because (one explanation is) of the nature of Kyle's offense.

Really good point about the nature of our offense. I wish it would explain our abnormal amount of injuries on defense too

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
for 2022 there are six games on astro-turf by my count.
LA Rams - AstroTurf
Seattle Seahawks - AstroTurf
New Orlean Saints - AstroTurf
Atlanta Falcons - AstroTurf
Carolina Panthers - AstroTurf
Los Angeles Chargers - AstroTurf,

The rest of the games will be on grass. That's about 35% of the games will be on astro turf in 2022, versus this year which was (I think) about 4-5 games were on astroturf in 2021 -- which is about 24% to 29% this year. So look for more injuries next year, vs this years injuries.

Great point!

Some of these teams are playing like 10 to 12 games a year on AstroTurf though so that's not a good excuse

It's not an excuse it's a reality. Player injuries are increased over 30-40% (knee and lower body injuries) on astroturf and just bc our players get injured more than almost any other team makes those other teams simply more fortunate or lucky

Agree. I'll just add that the nature of Kyle's offense, the outside zone run (for example) requires a strong cut upfield by the third step. Cutting 90 degrees on rubberized concrete at full speed is dangerous to your knee ligaments, specially if you are hit just as you are cutting upfield. Usually an elite athlete like Mostert is almost at full speed at the 3rd step. I could go into the OLinemen and thier requirement of a reach block on rubberized concrete in zone blocking, and the WRs blocking in space etc... but i won't. I'll let NC detail those out.

Astro-turf has affected our team badly in the past. Games in seattle usually result in some serious injury to our players, for example. Point is injuries are a serous problem for *every* team in the NFL, but for the 49ers in particular because (one explanation is) of the nature of Kyle's offense.

Really good point about the nature of our offense. I wish it would explain our abnormal amount of injuries on defense too

I got this from talking to PasoDoc and NC. Fatigue is directly correlated to injuries. So if the offense doesn't rest the defense, the defense can get fatigued and injuries will result. Add in the fact that our defense is undersized, so when our defense is going against much bigger OLinemen and RB's and Wr's - the size disparity plus fatigue can also result in injuries.

For example: theoretically the bigger a man's bones and ligaments are, the bigger the stress loads it is able to bear. So the bigger a man - when going against a smaller man, the bigger man can impose more strain on the smaller man's joints and ligaments - hence theoretically - the smaller man's probability of injury would be higher than the bigger man in a head to head collision.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
for 2022 there are six games on astro-turf by my count.
LA Rams - AstroTurf
Seattle Seahawks - AstroTurf
New Orlean Saints - AstroTurf
Atlanta Falcons - AstroTurf
Carolina Panthers - AstroTurf
Los Angeles Chargers - AstroTurf,

The rest of the games will be on grass. That's about 35% of the games will be on astro turf in 2022, versus this year which was (I think) about 4-5 games were on astroturf in 2021 -- which is about 24% to 29% this year. So look for more injuries next year, vs this years injuries.

Great point!

Some of these teams are playing like 10 to 12 games a year on AstroTurf though so that's not a good excuse

It's not an excuse it's a reality. Player injuries are increased over 30-40% (knee and lower body injuries) on astroturf and just bc our players get injured more than almost any other team makes those other teams simply more fortunate or lucky

Agree. I'll just add that the nature of Kyle's offense, the outside zone run (for example) requires a strong cut upfield by the third step. Cutting 90 degrees on rubberized concrete at full speed is dangerous to your knee ligaments, specially if you are hit just as you are cutting upfield. Usually an elite athlete like Mostert is almost at full speed at the 3rd step. I could go into the OLinemen and thier requirement of a reach block on rubberized concrete in zone blocking, and the WRs blocking in space etc... but i won't. I'll let NC detail those out.

Astro-turf has affected our team badly in the past. Games in seattle usually result in some serious injury to our players, for example. Point is injuries are a serous problem for *every* team in the NFL, but for the 49ers in particular because (one explanation is) of the nature of Kyle's offense.

Really good point about the nature of our offense. I wish it would explain our abnormal amount of injuries on defense too

I got this from talking to PasoDoc and NC. Fatigue is directly correlated to injuries. So if the offense doesn't rest the defense, the defense can get fatigued and injuries will result. Add in the fact that our defense is undersized, so when our defense is going against much bigger OLinemen and RB's and Wr's - the size disparity plus fatigue can also result in injuries.

For example: theoretically the bigger a man's bones and ligaments are, the bigger the stress loads it is able to bear. So the bigger a man - when going against a smaller man, the bigger man can impose more strain on the smaller man's joints and ligaments - hence theoretically - the smaller man's probability of injury would be higher than the bigger man in a head to head collision.

Very true, however our average Time of possession when compared to the rest of the league has got to be among the best so our defense on average has way more rest. Not only that we are only averaging 2 three and outs a game the last time I checked? I think I saw that statistic yesterday so I still don't see how that explains how injured our defense is year in and year out.

Let's just hope for better luck with these injuries because if we just had Jason V we win the Super Bowl

Originally posted by elguapo:
Very true, however our average Time of possession when compared to the rest of the league has got to be among the best so our defense on average has way more rest. Not only that we are only averaging 2 three and outs a game the last time I checked? I think I saw that statistic yesterday so I still don't see how that explains how injured our defense is year in and year out.

Let's just hope for better luck with these injuries because if we just had Jason V we win the Super Bowl

I agree with you there. One more element would have put us over the top. JV just might have been it. But we would have had top seed if he was healthy. How many games did we lose because of the 2ndary? 3? That's top seed. Shoulda woulda coulda. Need better luck with injuries and this team wins 3 lombardies in a row

Originally posted by 9ers4u:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Very true, however our average Time of possession when compared to the rest of the league has got to be among the best so our defense on average has way more rest. Not only that we are only averaging 2 three and outs a game the last time I checked? I think I saw that statistic yesterday so I still don't see how that explains how injured our defense is year in and year out.

Let's just hope for better luck with these injuries because if we just had Jason V we win the Super Bowl

I agree with you there. One more element would have put us over the top. JV just might have been it. But we would have had top seed if he was healthy. How many games did we lose because of the 2ndary? 3? That's top seed. Shoulda woulda coulda. Need better luck with injuries and this team wins 3 lombardies in a row

I agree 100%. Even the SB vs KC if we had DJ Jones and/or our Center Richburg we win so frustrating

Maiocco reminded me today that both Deebo and Bosa trained on their own last off season in Florida coming off injuries and both came in to camp in optimal shape and had career years.

In short...stay away from 49ers headquarters!