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  • Giedi
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
It certainly could be worse but like a dozen players are out d/t soft tissue issues. No excuses for those. That's basic care.

22 year olds shouldn't be out weeks for hammies this early. Seems more like a training issue. Not a huge concern but they are piling up.

Ward, Moseley https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/160000-shanahan-daniel-brunskill-jackson-dealing-shoulder-stinger-updates/

Interesting that Burford and Poe don't have those hammy's. Again, I think there is a mental component to injuries. Those non-workout warriors do seem to have more soft tissue injury than those guys like Burford and Poe who worked out with Trent. Hopefully ShanaLynch will continue to establish that workout warrior culture that was there when Roger Craig and Jerry Rice were on the team.

P.S. if they put Brunskill on IR because of an injury, that does possibly open up a spot for a UDFA to make the team?
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Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Originally posted by Giedi:
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#49ers injury report Drake Jackson - stinger, should be OK soon Dontae Johnson - ribs cartilage fracture, he'll miss a little time Daniel Brunskill - hamstring stain, out a few weeks Danny Gray - hip/back soreness, out a couple days (1 of 2)
#49ers injury report (continued) Mike McGlinchey - irritated inside of his knee, they will "be smart with him this week." Curtis Robinson - groin, will miss this week. Emmanuel Moseley (hamstring) and Hassan Ridgeway (quad) could be back in practice this week. (2 of 2)

The one that worries me is the Mike McGlinchey knee irritation. That might be a signal of something chronic and might become a Dee Ford scenario. It's also McGlinchy's contract year. If he can't get healthy, his career here might be over. He's being paid 10 million this year.

The rest, as you said, it's basic care of soft tissue injuries - which are par for the course during preseason.

Up next - two games on Astro-Crete.

Same. "Irritation" is generic enough to go in a bad direction. Hopefully a week or two of rest will get it right.

McGlinchy's has durability issues (I think the same as Jimmy) and you have to weigh that knee injury he had vs the talent he has when deciding to keep him or not in a contract year. Contrast that with Brunskill. Brunskill has been pretty durable, I don't see that changing any time soon. He's only 28. He always figures out a way to get on the field. Those guys, if they have talent, generally get better over time. (Laken Tomlinson for example). Durability is an aspect of *ability. * So says NCommand.
  • Giedi
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Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:
On another team -Jets- an injury could be the answer for Jimmy G……so he can get injured there. 🫣

I think a lot of teams are - unfortunately - catching on to the fact that Jimmy isn't the most durable player out there.
Originally posted by NCommand:
22 year olds shouldn't be out weeks for hammies this early. Seems more like a training issue. Not a huge concern but they are piling up.

Ward, Moseley https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/160000-shanahan-daniel-brunskill-jackson-dealing-shoulder-stinger-updates/

Clearly.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
It certainly could be worse but like a dozen players are out d/t soft tissue issues. No excuses for those. That's basic care.

22 year olds shouldn't be out weeks for hammies this early. Seems more like a training issue. Not a huge concern but they are piling up.

Ward, Moseley https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/160000-shanahan-daniel-brunskill-jackson-dealing-shoulder-stinger-updates/

Interesting that Burford and Poe don't have those hammy's. Again, I think there is a mental component to injuries. Those non-workout warriors do seem to have more soft tissue injury than those guys like Burford and Poe who worked out with Trent. Hopefully ShanaLynch will continue to establish that workout warrior culture that was there when Roger Craig and Jerry Rice were on the team.

P.S. if they put Brunskill on IR because of an injury, that does possibly open up a spot for a UDFA to make the team?

Yeah, I'm sure every case is different. I'd prefer the soft tissue over the ligaments though. Soft tissue is manageable and correctable.

Yup, West will definitely get some work now.
Players are bigger, faster and stronger than ever but they seem to get hurt easier. Not just in football but in all sports. Look at how often players are on the IR even in a non contact sport like baseball.

Maybe they have reached the physical limits of what the body can stand. Muscles get bigger and denser but bones and ligaments don't. Maybe they need to spend less time working out in the weight room and more time practicing their skills on the field or court. I've heard so ex athletes say that too many kids concentrate on one sport from an early age and never develop overall. They also may be getting so many reps at a young age that they are worn out by the time they reach their mid 20s.

Twelve year old kids going to QB camps and throwing over and over. Young pitchers throwing breaking balls at 11 years old. Certain parts of the body only can stand so much wear and tear. The shoulder and elbow are both joints that get a lot of stress when throwing any type of ball. The knees get beat up the more you run and cut.

I don't know if any of these things are contributing to the increase in injuries but something is causing them. Thewre is also one other thing that comes into play. Money. With the increase in salaries comes an increase in caution.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
It certainly could be worse but like a dozen players are out d/t soft tissue issues. No excuses for those. That's basic care.

22 year olds shouldn't be out weeks for hammies this early. Seems more like a training issue. Not a huge concern but they are piling up.

Ward, Moseley https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/160000-shanahan-daniel-brunskill-jackson-dealing-shoulder-stinger-updates/

Interesting that Burford and Poe don't have those hammy's. Again, I think there is a mental component to injuries. Those non-workout warriors do seem to have more soft tissue injury than those guys like Burford and Poe who worked out with Trent. Hopefully ShanaLynch will continue to establish that workout warrior culture that was there when Roger Craig and Jerry Rice were on the team.

P.S. if they put Brunskill on IR because of an injury, that does possibly open up a spot for a UDFA to make the team?

Yeah, I'm sure every case is different. I'd prefer the soft tissue over the ligaments though. Soft tissue is manageable and correctable.

Yup, West will definitely get some work now.

Injuries definitely can be used as a negative or positive. I do like the fact that the 49ers can find hidden talent by said injuries. I think they really do a great job getting talent at the lower rounds (Mitchell, Hufanga, DJ Jones) and undrafteds with Azeez, Mason, and Poe. I think by them working really hard at the lower end of the talent spectrum, they are using the injury bug to their advantage. I really am looking forward to seeing West play more now, possibly with the 1's and 2's.
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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Players are bigger, faster and stronger than ever but they seem to get hurt easier. Not just in football but in all sports. Look at how often players are on the IR even in a non contact sport like baseball.

Maybe they have reached the physical limits of what the body can stand. Muscles get bigger and denser but bones and ligaments don't. Maybe they need to spend less time working out in the weight room and more time practicing their skills on the field or court. I've heard so ex athletes say that too many kids concentrate on one sport from an early age and never develop overall. They also may be getting so many reps at a young age that they are worn out by the time they reach their mid 20s.

Twelve year old kids going to QB camps and throwing over and over. Young pitchers throwing breaking balls at 11 years old. Certain parts of the body only can stand so much wear and tear. The shoulder and elbow are both joints that get a lot of stress when throwing any type of ball. The knees get beat up the more you run and cut.

I don't know if any of these things are contributing to the increase in injuries but something is causing them. Thewre is also one other thing that comes into play. Money. With the increase in salaries comes an increase in caution.

Agree that players are bigger, faster and stronger, but also science has improved (example, ACL and Achilles heel injuries used to be career ending injuries). Again, I think there is a mental component to injuries, and as an example look at Tom Brady, he's still playing and he's almost as old as Moses. Roger Bannister was the first guy to run a 4 minute mile. At first everybody thought it was impossible to run a miie in four minutes, and after Roger broke that barrier - thousands of athletes have broken that barrier since then. It just goes to show that there is a mental component to physical achievement.

A four-minute mile is the completion of a mile run (1609 m) in four minutes or less. It was first achieved in 1954 by Roger Bannister, at age 25, in 3:59.4.[1] As of April 2021, the "four-minute barrier" has been broken by 1,663 athletes,[2] and is now a standard of professional middle distance runners in several cultures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-minute_mile
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These hamstrings issues are really becoming a joke these days. Wth

starting from the first practice with Danny Gray and now to Jimmy Ward… there has been numerous players going down! Daniel Brunskil leaving after the very first play in preseason, three quarters of our starting DB's being decimated by this ….. ????

I thought the trainers they brought from NHL were supposed to prevent these??? Get me someone with legit NFL experience, this is becoming a joke too quick

well at least they are all soft tissue. But its not a good sign for things to come.
Looks like RT will be an issue.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
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The #49ers' hamstring strains have been "a real challenge in camp," Kyle Shanahan said. Those on the list: * Daniel Brunskill * Elijah Mitchell * Emmanuel Moseley * Charvarius Ward * Jimmie Ward

It's a good thing we're using trainers experienced with the NHL and not the professional NFL players.

Rut roh.

Free safety Jimmie Ward sustained a severe hamstring injury that places his availability for Week 1 in question, 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan said on Tuesday.
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/49ers-jimmie-ward-sustains-hamstring-injury-week-1-vs-bears-question

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Originally posted by eman:
These hamstrings issues are really becoming a joke these days. Wth

starting from the first practice with Danny Gray and now to Jimmy Ward… there has been numerous players going down! Daniel Brunskil leaving after the very first play in preseason, three quarters of our starting DB's being decimated by this ….. ????

I thought the trainers they brought from NHL were supposed to prevent these??? Get me someone with legit NFL experience, this is becoming a joke too quick

How exactly would a trainer prevent a hamstring injury? These guys are bulked.. and fast.. cutting as quick as humanly possible attempting to stop and start on a dime.

It's a fast people injury
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What will it take to lock this thread?
I really hate this f**king thread.

What else do we need to analyze at this point? Injuries are part of the sport but they suck. Analysis complete.
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