Injuries - 9-Year Analysis

Starters are barely playing at all during the pre season but they are still getting hurt in practice. Trey isn't going to play against the Vikings but he's going to practice against them at least twice this week. I fail to see where holding guys out of pre season games is making a difference. It makes no difference whether a player gets hurt while training, during practice, during pre season games or during the regular season. Players have suffered season ending injuries doing all of those things.

I never felt that getting injured in practice or during pre season was worse than getting hurt when the games count. It's still an injury. Players need that practice and some game time to get in top condition. They can't practice or play while worrying about getting hurt. They all know that they can happen at any time. The best players play like every down is their last.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by eman:
These hamstrings issues are really becoming a joke these days. Wth

starting from the first practice with Danny Gray and now to Jimmy Ward… there has been numerous players going down! Daniel Brunskil leaving after the very first play in preseason, three quarters of our starting DB's being decimated by this ….. ????

I thought the trainers they brought from NHL were supposed to prevent these??? Get me someone with legit NFL experience, this is becoming a joke too quick

How exactly would a trainer prevent a hamstring injury? These guys are bulked.. and fast.. cutting as quick as humanly possible attempting to stop and start on a dime.

It's a fast people injury
-Darnell Savage

The training and nutrition program is customized (or should be) in a way that helps prevent injury. If you're really questioning how trainers prevent injury, I don't know what quite to say. Good grief, my personal trainer (former IFBB pro and certifications in nutrition and PT) gives me advice all the time on how to avoid pulls, tears, etc. Daniel Brunskill isn't running a top 40 time. It's not just one hammy, it's what now - 5 players, one of which is a major starter who might miss week 1?

Tell me again how NHL player training and nutrition has help an NFL with CHRONIC injury history. The 49ers are way, way, way outside the mean for injuries. Now before someone types the "you want zero injuries" hyperbole - no I'm not saying that at all. What I am saying is when it's an annual off-season thing with 5 - 6 starters with hammys, that's not luck, that's a trend.

GM, write a letter w/ your personal trainers advice to the club so they may post it on the bulletin board over at team HQ. This may assist in the event they don't already have an entire room full of elite trainers.

Maybe we can consult the others clubs as well seemingly every club has hammy injuries perhaps they can give us advice or shed some light.. perhaps if we just run a bit slower team-wide.. we could put up mph signs on the field for our guys.. keep it under 12 everybody

Hamstring strains are on the players, not the training staff. How the hell are you gonna optimize nutrition to not pull a hamstring

Originally posted by A-R-S:
Hamstring strains are on the players, not the training staff. How the hell are you gonna optimize nutrition to not pull a hamstring

Switch em all to decaf

Originally posted by genus49:
I really hate this f**king thread.

What else do we need to analyze at this point? Injuries are part of the sport but they suck. Analysis complete.

Its a huge issue when the cap, free agency, and the draft pretty much equalizes talent in the NFL. You lose one player, you might go from 10-7 to 7-10, depending on the player.

Our 5 super bowls, nobody of any consequence got injured, and those were almost 18 game seasons already and then today's game - add in 3 or 4 more playoff games currently. That's a long season for basically *nobody* getting injured.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by eman:
These hamstrings issues are really becoming a joke these days. Wth

starting from the first practice with Danny Gray and now to Jimmy Ward… there has been numerous players going down! Daniel Brunskil leaving after the very first play in preseason, three quarters of our starting DB's being decimated by this ….. ????

I thought the trainers they brought from NHL were supposed to prevent these??? Get me someone with legit NFL experience, this is becoming a joke too quick

How exactly would a trainer prevent a hamstring injury? These guys are bulked.. and fast.. cutting as quick as humanly possible attempting to stop and start on a dime.

It's a fast people injury
-Darnell Savage

The training and nutrition program is customized (or should be) in a way that helps prevent injury. If you're really questioning how trainers prevent injury, I don't know what quite to say. Good grief, my personal trainer (former IFBB pro and certifications in nutrition and PT) gives me advice all the time on how to avoid pulls, tears, etc. Daniel Brunskill isn't running a top 40 time. It's not just one hammy, it's what now - 5 players, one of which is a major starter who might miss week 1?

Tell me again how NHL player training and nutrition has help an NFL with CHRONIC injury history. The 49ers are way, way, way outside the mean for injuries. Now before someone types the "you want zero injuries" hyperbole - no I'm not saying that at all. What I am saying is when it's an annual off-season thing with 5 - 6 starters with hammys, that's not luck, that's a trend.

GM, write a letter w/ your personal trainers advice to the club so they may post it on the bulletin board over at team HQ. This may assist in the event they don't already have an entire room full of elite trainers.

Maybe we can consult the others clubs as well seemingly every club has hammy injuries perhaps they can give us advice or shed some light.. perhaps if we just run a bit slower team-wide.. we could put up mph signs on the field for our guys.. keep it under 12 everybody

No need. How about hire a training staff that's actually worked with NFL pros? I mean I know thats really a tough request. When the 49ers are your first pro job ever and the person running all of it is from the NHL, that couldn't possible have an impact could it? Next time I see a cardiologist for my knee I'll think of this post. LOL

I don't think the training staff is at fault. Kyle always preaches conming into training camp already in shape. I think there is a workout warrior culture deficit. During the Jerry Rice/Roger Craig years, the 49ers prided themselves as being in the best shape (versus anybody else or any other team in the NFL) going into training camp. 49ers have lost a bit of that as a whole, since the legends have retired. 49ers, i think, have to re-establish that. Poe and Burford haven't gotten injured (knock on wood) since they worked out with Trent. Trent is a model of durability (knock on wood).

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by eman:
These hamstrings issues are really becoming a joke these days. Wth

starting from the first practice with Danny Gray and now to Jimmy Ward… there has been numerous players going down! Daniel Brunskil leaving after the very first play in preseason, three quarters of our starting DB's being decimated by this ….. ????

I thought the trainers they brought from NHL were supposed to prevent these??? Get me someone with legit NFL experience, this is becoming a joke too quick

How exactly would a trainer prevent a hamstring injury? These guys are bulked.. and fast.. cutting as quick as humanly possible attempting to stop and start on a dime.

It's a fast people injury
-Darnell Savage

The training and nutrition program is customized (or should be) in a way that helps prevent injury. If you're really questioning how trainers prevent injury, I don't know what quite to say. Good grief, my personal trainer (former IFBB pro and certifications in nutrition and PT) gives me advice all the time on how to avoid pulls, tears, etc. Daniel Brunskill isn't running a top 40 time. It's not just one hammy, it's what now - 5 players, one of which is a major starter who might miss week 1?

Tell me again how NHL player training and nutrition has help an NFL with CHRONIC injury history. The 49ers are way, way, way outside the mean for injuries. Now before someone types the "you want zero injuries" hyperbole - no I'm not saying that at all. What I am saying is when it's an annual off-season thing with 5 - 6 starters with hammys, that's not luck, that's a trend.

GM, write a letter w/ your personal trainers advice to the club so they may post it on the bulletin board over at team HQ. This may assist in the event they don't already have an entire room full of elite trainers.

Maybe we can consult the others clubs as well seemingly every club has hammy injuries perhaps they can give us advice or shed some light.. perhaps if we just run a bit slower team-wide.. we could put up mph signs on the field for our guys.. keep it under 12 everybody

No need. How about hire a training staff that's actually worked with NFL pros? I mean I know thats really a tough request. When the 49ers are your first pro job ever and the person running all of it is from the NHL, that couldn't possible have an impact could it? Next time I see a cardiologist for my knee I'll think of this post. LOL

I don't think the training staff is at fault. Kyle always preaches conming into training camp already in shape. I think there is a workout warrior culture deficit. During the Jerry Rice/Roger Craig years, the 49ers prided themselves as being in the best shape (versus anybody else or any other team in the NFL) going into training camp. 49ers have lost a bit of that as a whole, since the legends have retired. 49ers, i think, have to re-establish that. Poe and Burford haven't gotten injured (knock on wood) since they worked out with Trent. Trent is a model of durability (knock on wood).

I think it's the training staffs job to monitor reps, flexibility, conditions, drills/utilization, etc. in an effort to get these players conditioned up to real life game speed.

You put a DBvCB 1on1, guys have ego and are competitors so of course they're going to go all out and dive all over the field. Same situation with OLvDL. Everyone is watching, etc. Same concept with scrimmage against another team. These guys wanna win and hear that, "Woo!"

At the end of the day, you've got to find a way to get these guys up to real game like conditions so it was no surprise most of these injuries happened during a real game. We are seeing more in 1on1. And even more in scrimmages against another team.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
What will it take to lock this thread?

Only when the injured players (because injuries will happen) are those that are easily replaced and don't alter the quest for SB domination.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by eman:
These hamstrings issues are really becoming a joke these days. Wth

starting from the first practice with Danny Gray and now to Jimmy Ward… there has been numerous players going down! Daniel Brunskil leaving after the very first play in preseason, three quarters of our starting DB's being decimated by this ….. ????

I thought the trainers they brought from NHL were supposed to prevent these??? Get me someone with legit NFL experience, this is becoming a joke too quick

How exactly would a trainer prevent a hamstring injury? These guys are bulked.. and fast.. cutting as quick as humanly possible attempting to stop and start on a dime.

It's a fast people injury
-Darnell Savage

The training and nutrition program is customized (or should be) in a way that helps prevent injury. If you're really questioning how trainers prevent injury, I don't know what quite to say. Good grief, my personal trainer (former IFBB pro and certifications in nutrition and PT) gives me advice all the time on how to avoid pulls, tears, etc. Daniel Brunskill isn't running a top 40 time. It's not just one hammy, it's what now - 5 players, one of which is a major starter who might miss week 1?

Tell me again how NHL player training and nutrition has help an NFL with CHRONIC injury history. The 49ers are way, way, way outside the mean for injuries. Now before someone types the "you want zero injuries" hyperbole - no I'm not saying that at all. What I am saying is when it's an annual off-season thing with 5 - 6 starters with hammys, that's not luck, that's a trend.

GM, write a letter w/ your personal trainers advice to the club so they may post it on the bulletin board over at team HQ. This may assist in the event they don't already have an entire room full of elite trainers.

Maybe we can consult the others clubs as well seemingly every club has hammy injuries perhaps they can give us advice or shed some light.. perhaps if we just run a bit slower team-wide.. we could put up mph signs on the field for our guys.. keep it under 12 everybody

No need. How about hire a training staff that's actually worked with NFL pros? I mean I know thats really a tough request. When the 49ers are your first pro job ever and the person running all of it is from the NHL, that couldn't possible have an impact could it? Next time I see a cardiologist for my knee I'll think of this post. LOL

I don't think the training staff is at fault. Kyle always preaches conming into training camp already in shape. I think there is a workout warrior culture deficit. During the Jerry Rice/Roger Craig years, the 49ers prided themselves as being in the best shape (versus anybody else or any other team in the NFL) going into training camp. 49ers have lost a bit of that as a whole, since the legends have retired. 49ers, i think, have to re-establish that. Poe and Burford haven't gotten injured (knock on wood) since they worked out with Trent. Trent is a model of durability (knock on wood).

I think it's the training staffs job to monitor reps, flexibility, conditions, drills/utilization, etc. in an effort to get these players conditioned up to real life game speed.

You put a DBvCB 1on1, guys have ego and are competitors so of course they're going to go all out and dive all over the field. Same situation with OLvDL. Everyone is watching, etc. Same concept with scrimmage against another team. These guys wanna win and hear that, "Woo!"

At the end of the day, you've got to find a way to get these guys up to real game like conditions so it was no surprise most of these injuries happened during a real game. We are seeing more in 1on1. And even more in scrimmages against another team.

Agree 💯%, Lindsey Mclean (the old Bill Walsh strength and conditioning coach) was way ahead of his time regarding diet, calorie counting and conditioning. I don't know if our particular strength and conditioning coaches are at the top of their game the way Lindsey was back in the day.

Personally, I just don't think the 49ers (in general) are in as good a shape as the players in the days of old. (Jerry and Roger for example) That's why you are getting these soft tissue injuries. Again, just my opinion.

[Lindsy McLean] he moved to professional sports and became the head athletic trainer for the San Francisco 49ers, a position he held for 24 years. He retired at the conclusion of the 2003 NFL season. In 1988, he was inducted into the National Athletic Trainers' Association Hall of Fame.[1] In 2005, he received the Cain Fain Memorial Award from the NFL Physician's Society and in 2008, received the Tim Kerin Award for Athletic Training Excellence. McLean has five super bowl rings with the 49ers. According to NFL records (2010), McLean and only three other people have five rings, among them Bill Belichick and player Charles Haley (49ers and Cowboys.)[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsy_McLean

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
What will it take to lock this thread?

Only when the injured players (because injuries will happen) are those that are easily replaced and don't alter the quest for SB domination.

Injuries aren't all negative. Without Jimmy's ACL tear - we don't have a shot at Bosa. Without Trey Sermon, Jeff and the rest of the RB's being hurt, we really wouldn't know that Mitchell was such a great RB. Hurd was an always injured player here, but ShanaLynch discovered Deebo who is the perfect Hurd/Jerrick McKinnon player that Kyle paid Jerrick 30+ Million for. I think the injuries at the OLIne last year - Foerster showed his skill as a coach in helping journeymen Compton and Brunskill play as credible starters. That gives me some confidence he can be a McKittrick 2.0 if he can turn Poe, West, and Brendel into all pros.

P.S. I'm an eternal optimist!

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
What will it take to lock this thread?

Only when the injured players (because injuries will happen) are those that are easily replaced and don't alter the quest for SB domination.

I'm okay with closing the thread when they win a Superbowl

Originally posted by Giedi:
I don't think the training staff is at fault. Kyle always preaches conming into training camp already in shape. I think there is a workout warrior culture deficit. During the Jerry Rice/Roger Craig years, the 49ers prided themselves as being in the best shape (versus anybody else or any other team in the NFL) going into training camp. 49ers have lost a bit of that as a whole, since the legends have retired. 49ers, i think, have to re-establish that. Poe and Burford haven't gotten injured (knock on wood) since they worked out with Trent. Trent is a model of durability (knock on wood).

What ??? I hope you being sarcastic about Trent. He is not even close to Durable. In 11 seasons he has played all 16 now 17 games twice. So for 9 season he has missed 1 or more games. He played in only 10 game twice in 11 seasons.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
What will it take to lock this thread?

Only when the injured players (because injuries will happen) are those that are easily replaced and don't alter the quest for SB domination.

Injuries aren't all negative. Without Jimmy's ACL tear - we don't have a shot at Bosa. Without Trey Sermon, Jeff and the rest of the RB's being hurt, we really wouldn't know that Mitchell was such a great RB. Hurd was an always injured player here, but ShanaLynch discovered Deebo who is the perfect Hurd/Jerrick McKinnon player that Kyle paid Jerrick 30+ Million for. I think the injuries at the OLIne last year - Foerster showed his skill as a coach in helping journeymen Compton and Brunskill play as credible starters. That gives me some confidence he can be a McKittrick 2.0 if he can turn Poe, West, and Brendel into all pros.

P.S. I'm an eternal optimist!

LOL. Nothing wrong with that my friend.

You aren't even a "glass half full" type either. You are a "glass is ALL full" kind. And I'm down with that.....in a positive way.

I don't wanna hear excuses for our training staff. Always with the soft tissue stuff. It's called not half-assing stretching. Kyle needs to demand more out of his conditioning staff.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
What will it take to lock this thread?

Only when the injured players (because injuries will happen) are those that are easily replaced and don't alter the quest for SB domination.

I'm okay with closing the thread when they win a Superbowl

They'll never win it if it stays open. this thing is just as much as curse as levi's at this point.

there's no "analysis" needed. we all know what the injuries are when they happen, there's no correlation year to year and even if there is...what purposes does it serve for us sitting at our desk to crunch numbers of how many players end up on the shelf?

Sorry, i've hated this thing since it's inception and it brings no positives.