Injuries - 9-Year Analysis

Originally posted by NinerGM:
The training and nutrition program is customized (or should be) in a way that helps prevent injury.

Or, you mean, improve performance?

Tell all the fringe guys trying to make the the team not to worry about maximizing performance with their workout routines. Let's see how that works out.

Originally posted by A-R-S:
Hamstring strains are on the players, not the training staff. How the hell are you gonna optimize nutrition to not pull a hamstring

Switch from Optimum Nutrition to Muscle Milk?

Originally posted by NCommand:
I think it's the training staffs job to monitor reps, flexibility, conditions, drills/utilization, etc. in an effort to get these players conditioned up to real life game speed.

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At the end of the day, you've got to find a way to get these guys up to real game like conditions so it was no surprise most of these injuries happened during a real game. We are seeing more in 1on1. And even more in scrimmages against another team.

We're still here playing Checkers while the NFL, NFLPA, and the actual people on training staffs across the NFL are busy playing 3D Chess.

2. Additional lower extremity injury reduction efforts are underway to address a five-year high.

The incidence of soft tissue injuries, including calf, hamstring, quadricep and adductor strains, are significantly up during the 2021 preseason compared to 2015-2019. As the NFL continues to use injury data to drive health and safety progress, new efforts are underway to address lower extremity injuries, which remain the highest driver of missed days.

The NFL-NFLPA's Joint Lower Extremity Injury Reduction Task Force will continue to develop and share strategies, targeting the reduction of these injuries.

The league also continues to improve the quality of data collected on these injuries, advance the science around how to best prevent them and share learnings and best practices across sports medicine. Which cleats players are wearing are tracked to determine performance on-field and which may result in fewer injuries. The league is also evaluating turf systems – natural and artificial – to learn how surface may correlate to injury.

In July 2021, the NFL's Scientific Advisory Board allocated $4 million to a team of medical researchers led by the University of Wisconsin to investigate the prevention and treatment of hamstring injuries for elite football players. Hamstring injuries are the most common injuries suffered by NFL players and are the second-most burdensome injury in the league, with nearly 75% of such injuries resulting in missed time for NFL players.

The NFL is committed to driving the number of lower extremity injuries down and will continue to work closely with club medical staffs and other experts to determine and implement effective injury reduction strategies across the league.

https://www.nfl.com/playerhealthandsafety/health-and-wellness/injury-data/2021-preseason-injury-data-key-takeaways

I mean c'mon guys. Let's stop pretending like our knowledge extends beyond these highly paid professionals regarding sports injuries to world class athletes.

You heard it right there. If there's a way to reduce hamstring injuries....these practices are going to be or have been shared league wide.

This is an addressed NFL issue. Not a team-by-team issue where secrets are under lock & key.

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
What will it take to lock this thread?

Only when the injured players (because injuries will happen) are those that are easily replaced and don't alter the quest for SB domination.

Injuries aren't all negative. Without Jimmy's ACL tear - we don't have a shot at Bosa. Without Trey Sermon, Jeff and the rest of the RB's being hurt, we really wouldn't know that Mitchell was such a great RB. Hurd was an always injured player here, but ShanaLynch discovered Deebo who is the perfect Hurd/Jerrick McKinnon player that Kyle paid Jerrick 30+ Million for. I think the injuries at the OLIne last year - Foerster showed his skill as a coach in helping journeymen Compton and Brunskill play as credible starters. That gives me some confidence he can be a McKittrick 2.0 if he can turn Poe, West, and Brendel into all pros.

P.S. I'm an eternal optimist!

LOL. Nothing wrong with that my friend.

You aren't even a "glass half full" type either. You are a "glass is ALL full" kind. And I'm down with that.....in a positive way.

No problem! My good friend CCiowa is the most negative dude on the Webzone, a close second is Susweel but CC is very proud of that. I think it's harder to be an optimist vs a pessimist in my opinion. But the more differences, the merrier, I believe.

Originally posted by raywm3:
I don't wanna hear excuses for our training staff. Always with the soft tissue stuff. It's called not half-assing stretching. Kyle needs to demand more out of his conditioning staff.

I agree. You can have a world class medical staff, but if the players don't take care of their bodies - nothing much you can do about it. Roger Craig and Jerry Rice were the guys that led in workout warrior culture in the past legendary 49er teams. I think we're missing a little bit of that kind of cultural leadership on the 49ers. It's changing , I think, because ShanaLynch are prioritizing durability more now than in the past. I think Poe and Burford are still pretty healthy because, as you said, they aren't half-assing the conditioning and injury prevention side of football.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
What will it take to lock this thread?

Only when the injured players (because injuries will happen) are those that are easily replaced and don't alter the quest for SB domination.

I'm okay with closing the thread when they win a Superbowl

They'll never win it if it stays open. this thing is just as much as curse as levi's at this point.

there's no "analysis" needed. we all know what the injuries are when they happen, there's no correlation year to year and even if there is...what purposes does it serve for us sitting at our desk to crunch numbers of how many players end up on the shelf?

Sorry, i've hated this thing since it's inception and it brings no positives.

Haha. Love that you think this thread is part of the curse. So you recognize it's a big problem...hence the thread to talk about it.

The AGL analysis goes back to 2013, updated annually.

But currently this thread is used as a tracker and discussion thread on S&C and updates with us and across the league.

For instance, did you know Mike McGlinchey's "knee irritation" label might actually be used to buy him time while he gets PRP injections again...which is separate from his tendon/knee surgery? Something he's had to do for the past couple years and it was theorized in here he played at a very low weight to help take strain off that knee? In short...don't count on him. Hopefully he's fine though.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
What will it take to lock this thread?

Only when the injured players (because injuries will happen) are those that are easily replaced and don't alter the quest for SB domination.

I'm okay with closing the thread when they win a Superbowl

They'll never win it if it stays open. this thing is just as much as curse as levi's at this point.

there's no "analysis" needed. we all know what the injuries are when they happen, there's no correlation year to year and even if there is...what purposes does it serve for us sitting at our desk to crunch numbers of how many players end up on the shelf?

Sorry, i've hated this thing since it's inception and it brings no positives.

Haha. Love that you think this thread is part of the curse. So you recognize it's a big problem...hence the thread to talk about it.

The AGL analysis goes back to 2013, updated annually.

But currently this thread is used as a tracker and discussion thread on S&C and updates with us and across the league.

For instance, did you know Mike McGlinchey's "knee irritation" label might actually be used to buy him time while he gets PRP injections again...which is separate from his tendon/knee surgery? Something he's had to do for the past couple years and it was theorized in here he played at a very low weight to help take strain off that knee? In short...don't count on him. Hopefully he's fine though.

Maybe changing the title thread might appease the voodoo believers.
Something like:- The fitness and strength observations and the path forward for the team based on lessons learnt from the past 8 years

Whaddya think? Too much?

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
What will it take to lock this thread?

Only when the injured players (because injuries will happen) are those that are easily replaced and don't alter the quest for SB domination.

I'm okay with closing the thread when they win a Superbowl

They'll never win it if it stays open. this thing is just as much as curse as levi's at this point.

there's no "analysis" needed. we all know what the injuries are when they happen, there's no correlation year to year and even if there is...what purposes does it serve for us sitting at our desk to crunch numbers of how many players end up on the shelf?

Sorry, i've hated this thing since it's inception and it brings no positives.

Haha. Love that you think this thread is part of the curse. So you recognize it's a big problem...hence the thread to talk about it.

The AGL analysis goes back to 2013, updated annually.

But currently this thread is used as a tracker and discussion thread on S&C and updates with us and across the league.

For instance, did you know Mike McGlinchey's "knee irritation" label might actually be used to buy him time while he gets PRP injections again...which is separate from his tendon/knee surgery? Something he's had to do for the past couple years and it was theorized in here he played at a very low weight to help take strain off that knee? In short...don't count on him. Hopefully he's fine though.

Maybe changing the title thread might appease the voodoo believers.
Something like:- The fitness and strength observations and the path forward for the team based on lessons learnt from the past 8 years

Whaddya think? Too much?

I feel his pain though. I'd love this to be a non-topic!

I was listening to Tim Ryan yesterday as he talked about pre season and holding guys out. He mentioned that they enter the 1st pre season game having held just 10 padded practices. He doesn't think that's enough to get players ready. They keep cutting back on contact practices and pre season games but is there a real drop off in injuries? It doesn't seem like there is.

They're probably going to an 18 game season with just 2 pre season games. I don't see how that helps .It's just adding another regular season game for players that have barely practiced. Instead of getting hurt in the 2nd or 3rd pre season game they go down in the regular season opener.

Chris Biderman just said Drake Jackson had a shoulder issue in college...brace on. Just hurt it again. Then slipped and tried to brace with that arm and instantly came up gimpy and in a lot of pain...shoulder hanging.

What the f**k is our medical staff doing? Drills?

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/49ers-soft-tissue-injuries-cause-blame-or-coincidence-doctor-weighs

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/49ers-soft-tissue-injuries-cause-blame-or-coincidence-doctor-weighs

Thanks for sharing!

I think this was a key piece to these:

Safran confirmed that it would not make a difference. The orthopedic surgeon did add that over half of hamstring injuries in the NFL tend to occur in the preseason, as players ramp up their workouts as they get back up to full speed for the season.

That's what I was noting originally. You go from light workouts, controlled snap counts and then a couple days off to 1on1's, pre season games and practice against other teams and you automatically change gears and ramp it up when the body might not be built up yet to a high octane game-like condition.

I'm still not too worried but it's something to keep an eye on.

Full quote

"But there are no studies that have ever shown that one training program is worse or better for reducing hamstring strains."

When asked specifically if the 49ers training every day without a lull in the action would prevent injuries, Safran confirmed that it would not make a difference. The orthopedic surgeon did add that over half of hamstring injuries in the NFL tend to occur in the preseason, as players ramp up their workouts as they get back up to full speed for the season.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Chris Biderman just said Drake Jackson had a shoulder issue in college...brace on. Just hurt it again. Then slipped and tried to brace with that arm and instantly came up gimpy and in a lot of pain...shoulder hanging.

What the f**k is our medical staff doing? Drills?

He said this occurred today?