Injuries - 9-Year Analysis

We already know the issue... Rules, practices, contact during practice, lack of playing in the preseason all add up to players being soft these days. I remember playing football and having 2 a days for months. Like what is going on here? Get to the top of the mountain and its all about money now. Ohhh don't play Kittle, Bosa or anyone in preseason to preserve them from injury? For what? So they can get hurt in the regular season and get social media prayers while cashing their checks? Man, i miss the 70's, 80's and 90's football. Rant over.

Originally posted by Stevec9932:
We already know the issue... Rules, practices, contact during practice, lack of playing in the preseason all add up to players being soft these days. I remember playing football and having 2 a days for months. Like what is going on here? Get to the top of the mountain and its all about money now. Ohhh don't play Kittle, Bosa or anyone in preseason to preserve them from injury? For what? So they can get hurt in the regular season and get social media prayers while cashing their checks? Man, i miss the 70's, 80's and 90's football. Rant over.

I hate to break it to you but times have changed and so has the athlete and so has the playing surface. There is also a players union protecting these guys now. Calling these guys soft is a cop out.

Originally posted by GangstaGangsta:

Originally posted by Stevec9932:
We already know the issue... Rules, practices, contact during practice, lack of playing in the preseason all add up to players being soft these days. I remember playing football and having 2 a days for months. Like what is going on here? Get to the top of the mountain and its all about money now. Ohhh don't play Kittle, Bosa or anyone in preseason to preserve them from injury? For what? So they can get hurt in the regular season and get social media prayers while cashing their checks? Man, i miss the 70's, 80's and 90's football. Rant over.

I hate to break it to you but times have changed and so has the athlete and so has the playing surface. There is also a players union protecting these guys now. Calling these guys soft is a cop out.

They're not soft but they don't play hurt like they used to. Part of it is a greater concern for safety and part is because of the money involved. There was a time when players that were hurt could just get cut unlike now when they can't be released while on IR.

Originally posted by NCommand:
2022 Injured Reserve / PUP / NFI / Suspension Total:
Kalia Davis
Maurice Hurst
Jordan Matthews
Jimmie Ward
Sam Schlueter
Jason Verrett
Curtis Robinson
Elijah Mitchell
Jordan Willis
Trey Lance
Azeez Al-Shaair
Colton McKivitz
Emmanuel Moseley
Leon O'Neal - Injury Settlement
Austin Mack - Injury Settlement

2022 (15) --- 2021 (32) --- 2020 (45) --- 2019 (16) --- 2018 (18) --- 2017 (26) --- 2016 (22) --- 2015 (17) --- 2014 (21)

Other Injury Concerns:
Tyler Kroft
Trent Williams
Javon Kinlaw
Arik Armstead
Jimmie Ward
Tarvarius Moore
Nick Bosa

We'll be alright peeps. Hang in there.

FML

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
EMMANUEL MOSELEY COME ON DOWN. YOU ARE THE LATEST VICTIM OF THE 49ERS FRONT OFFICE REFUSING TO ADDRESS THEIR LEAGUE LEADING INJURY PROBLEM.

WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY? DOING THE SAME THING OVER AN OVER AGAIN AND EXPECTING DIFFERENT RESULTS.

In what way, in your opinion, have the front office refused to do which could have addressed the injury problem? We no longer draft the Baalke specials. So what is it they could have done, and refused to do?

Spell it out.

Originally posted by NCommand:
2022 Injured Reserve / PUP / NFI / Suspension Total:
Kalia Davis
Maurice Hurst
Jordan Matthews
Jimmie Ward
Sam Schlueter
Jason Verrett
Curtis Robinson
Elijah Mitchell
Jordan Willis
Trey Lance
Azeez Al-Shaair
Colton McKivitz
Emmanuel Moseley
Leon O'Neal - Injury Settlement
Austin Mack - Injury Settlement

2022 (15) --- 2021 (32) --- 2020 (45) --- 2019 (16) --- 2018 (18) --- 2017 (26) --- 2016 (22) --- 2015 (17) --- 2014 (21)

Other Injury Concerns:
Tyler Kroft
Trent Williams
Javon Kinlaw
Arik Armstead
Jimmie Ward
Tarvarius Moore
Nick Bosa

We'll be alright peeps. Hang in there.

In all fairness many of these are not of great importance. And not too many are season Enders. Still, it is a worry.

Originally posted by 49erWill:

Originally posted by NCommand:
2022 Injured Reserve / PUP / NFI / Suspension Total:
Kalia Davis
Maurice Hurst
Jordan Matthews
Jimmie Ward
Sam Schlueter
Jason Verrett
Curtis Robinson
Elijah Mitchell
Jordan Willis
Trey Lance
Azeez Al-Shaair
Colton McKivitz
Emmanuel Moseley
Leon O'Neal - Injury Settlement
Austin Mack - Injury Settlement

2022 (15) --- 2021 (32) --- 2020 (45) --- 2019 (16) --- 2018 (18) --- 2017 (26) --- 2016 (22) --- 2015 (17) --- 2014 (21)

Other Injury Concerns:
Tyler Kroft
Trent Williams
Javon Kinlaw
Arik Armstead
Jimmie Ward
Tarvarius Moore
Nick Bosa

We'll be alright peeps. Hang in there.

FML

At least Jimmie and Verrett got activated off I.R. Then Jimmie decided he liked the training room more. LOL

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
They're not soft but they don't play hurt like they used to. Part of it is a greater concern for safety and part is because of the money involved. There was a time when players that were hurt could just get cut unlike now when they can't be released while on IR.

In a sense...they are soft. Today's athlete is just a bigger/faster/stronger individual than they were 30+ years ago, which leads to a lot of torn muscles/ligaments. They are just too big/fast for their own good and something has to give you move and cut the way they do. Part of the issue may be due to the playing surfaces, but there once was a time when a lot of games were played on rolled out carpet over concrete - astroturf - and that crap was by far worse than anything today. You didn't see anywhere near the injuries back in the 80's as you do today.

Unless something is drastically done, this will only get worse.

Originally posted by English:
In all fairness many of these are not of great importance. And not too many are season Enders. Still, it is a worry.

On a normal team, losing a QB, LT and RB would have buried an offense. But here, not an issue at all. That's speaks to the depth and previous years injuries affording players real NFL snaps they never would have gotten. We're insanely deep and experienced as a result.

But yes, overall, only a couple lost for good...a couple more to monitor (Ward, AA, Kinlaw, Bosa). Most will be back soon.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
They're not soft but they don't play hurt like they used to. Part of it is a greater concern for safety and part is because of the money involved. There was a time when players that were hurt could just get cut unlike now when they can't be released while on IR.

In a sense...they are soft. Today's athlete is just a bigger/faster/stronger individual than they were 30+ years ago, which leads to a lot of torn muscles/ligaments. They are just too big/fast for their own good and something has to give you move and cut the way they do. Part of the issue may be due to the playing surfaces, but there once was a time when a lot of games were played on rolled out carpet over concrete - astroturf - and that crap was by far worse than anything today. You didn't see anywhere near the injuries back in the 80's as you do today.

Unless something is drastically done, this will only get worse.

And a million more supplements to grow bigger, stronger, faster today as well.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by English:
In all fairness many of these are not of great importance. And not too many are season Enders. Still, it is a worry.

On a normal team, losing a QB, LT and RB would have buried an offense. But here, not an issue at all. That's speaks to the depth and previous years injuries affording players real NFL snaps they never would have gotten. We're insanely deep and experienced as a result.

But yes, overall, only a couple lost for good...a couple more to monitor (Ward, AA, Kinlaw, Bosa). Most will be back soon.

Yep, kudos to Lynch and the front office.

Originally posted by NCommand:
And a million more supplements to grow bigger, stronger, faster today as well.

Be it legal or illegal....it doesn't matter. Maybe another aspect is that they spend less time preparing to play and be ready for football, and spend more time in their never ending quest to be Mr. Olympia. Taking all the drugs, working out, lifting weights is great and all, but IMO, there has to be a balance. You see worse fundamentals, ie poor tackling, bad ball skills, etc...and then you see <insert injury - out for season>.....but hey...at least they look good in doing so.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by NCommand:
And a million more supplements to grow bigger, stronger, faster today as well.

Be it legal or illegal....it doesn't matter. Maybe another aspect is that they spend less time preparing to play and be ready for football, and spend more time in their never ending quest to be Mr. Olympia. Taking all the drugs, working out, lifting weights is great and all, but IMO, there has to be a balance. You see worse fundamentals, ie poor tackling, bad ball skills, etc...and then you see <insert injury - out for season>.....but hey...at least they look good in doing so.

No doubt. We run sooooooft practices hence the slow annual starts and insta-injuries. Getting in football shape is a whole other thing than being in shape.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by English:
In all fairness many of these are not of great importance. And not too many are season Enders. Still, it is a worry.

On a normal team, losing a QB, LT and RB would have buried an offense. But here, not an issue at all. That's speaks to the depth and previous years injuries affording players real NFL snaps they never would have gotten. We're insanely deep and experienced as a result.

But yes, overall, only a couple lost for good...a couple more to monitor (Ward, AA, Kinlaw, Bosa). Most will be back soon.

Yep, kudos to Lynch and the front office.

Big time. Always the deepest roster in football. Always.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
EMMANUEL MOSELEY COME ON DOWN. YOU ARE THE LATEST VICTIM OF THE 49ERS FRONT OFFICE REFUSING TO ADDRESS THEIR LEAGUE LEADING INJURY PROBLEM.

WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY? DOING THE SAME THING OVER AN OVER AGAIN AND EXPECTING DIFFERENT RESULTS.

In what way, in your opinion, have the front office refused to do which could have addressed the injury problem? We no longer draft the Baalke specials. So what is it they could have done, and refused to do?

Spell it out.

1. they acquire fragile/undurable players. yes they finally started drafting more durable an reliable players but that is very recent. that just started in this draft or the last one correct? are any of those more durable players even playing much to contribute? and what did it cost us to get them to finally see hey we need to stop picking fragile guys. it cost us a f**king SB. had they accepted this in year 2 and not year 4 then 2019 would probably have been the year to bring us trophy #6. injuries was a major reason we didnt win it all in 2019 and is the biggest reason we still wont win it all this year.

2. 4 years ago they brought in the dude from the NHL(an probly a crew too) to be the head of "player health and performance". what started 4 years ago? our record breaking injury streak. we werent exactly awesome with injuries before this guy but read the writing on the wall. accept it for what it is, a problem. the problem has taken a nosedive since this guy came in and there is no sign of recovering. what were trying to do with player health IS. NOT. WORKING. wtf else will it take for the team to accept this?

3. its been talked about that shanny has a different practice style thats more relaxed and less physical. probably trying to "preserve" players bodies but as we can tell, nothing is being preserved. i havent got proof of this or verified it in any way, i just have read this multiple times over the last 5 years. on here an other places. so everything without facts an proof is just assumptions, but with the results we have been getting this is an assumption im willing to bet is true.

4. i think our player health staff is just flat out flawed. they arent good at their jobs. maybe their not qualified enough to help, maybe their in the wrong sport, we dont know. they misdiagnose injuries, declare players healthy when they really are not, declare players injured when they really are not, send guys out to play when they shouldnt play etc. how many times have we heard of an injury to a player announced and a few days later its a different story/injury. i can think of a few. i remember watching a game that was jeff wilsons first game back after another injury. the dude pulled a muscle running out onto the field for his very first play. now ya that could have been random "bad luck/freak injury" kind of stuff, but with how things have been here would you doubt that just maybe his body wasnt actually ready to go?

5. this isnt our FOs fault but the leagues move away from practices with contact an less preseason games is a direct cause of the increase in injuries. guys just arent ready for full on contact.

6. this regime doesnt believe in protecting the QB. if you need proof, look at their OL choices the last 5 years. they dont believe in pass protection, they believe you only need to protect the qb by running the ball well. need proof? how healthy have our qbs been with this regime. why did we draft trey lance? so we could have a mobile qb to run away from all the DE's running right through our OL.

besides my #5 everything i just spelled out is choices talked about an made by our FO. the scariest part is here we are in what year 6? and after the annual proof that our players health is terrible, they STILL continue with the same plan, refusing to update it, refusing to change it. refusing to change personnel. in fact didnt shanny just say "im just used to the injuries by now". if that doesnt scare the s**t out of you idk what will. im a niner fan through an through but this season was about our new QB, our future an finally getting healthy and a mobile qb offense. this season ended when trey went down. worst part is, after hes back, after waiting ANOTHER year, hes probably just going to get hurt again within a few weeks.

call me negative, a downer or whatever you want but its time to be realistic people.