Latest ESPN NFL Power Rankings has us at #31.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Jasta:
We've improved in every area except possibly the secondary (which wasn't our biggest issue last year). ESPN smoking something.

I want to agree with you BUT I thought we improved in every area last season too and look how that turned out.

I dont agree. Roster wise that is.

I mean lets talk Chargers,Bills,Jags,Bears,Foreskins,
Browns,Jets,Dolphins,Colts,Titans,Saints,Cards,Panthers,Lions.

Can you say any of those teams will for sure go better than 8-8?

How is this relevant at all? Of course you can't say that many teams will for sure go better than 8-8 before the season even starts. Last year, 17 teams went better than 8-8. At most, only 2-3 can be considered locks to go better than 8-8 again (Patriots and Packers - maybe the Steelers and Seahawks). Even that is a stretch, because if Rodgers misses the season, the Packers probably don't win many games.

We're probably going to finish anywhere from 25-32 in the standings this year which is appropriate for the 30th or 31st best team in the NFL. The Jets are the only team substantially worse than us, but there are a few teams close to us (you could make an argument either way for the Browns, 49ers, Bears, and Rams as the next worst team in the league).

If I was going to bet on any team beating its current projections, I'd probably bet on the Browns - they have what should be a dominant offensive line, their defense should be significantly improved (Garrett is going to be a monster), and Kizer should take over as the starting QB midway through the season and be an improvement over Osweiler or Kessler. I think the Rams got better after adding Watkins, so the Jets, 49ers, and Bears are the three worst teams in the league.

2017 win projections:

Jets: 3.5

Browns: 4.5
49ers: 5.0
Rams: 5.5
Bears: 5.5

Bills: 6.5
Jaguars: 7.0
Lions: 7.5
Chargers: 7.5
Dolphins: 7.5
Redskins: 7.5

http://www.footballlocks.com/nfl_season_win_total_futures_lines.shtml

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Jasta:

We've improved in every area except possibly the secondary (which wasn't our biggest issue last year). ESPN smoking something.

I want to agree with you BUT I thought we improved in every area last season too and look how that turned out.

I dont agree. Roster wise that is.

I mean lets talk Chargers,Bills,Jags,Bears,Foreskins,
Browns,Jets,Dolphins,Colts,Titans,Saints,Cards,Panthers,Lions.

Can you say any of those teams will for sure go better than 8-8?

How is this relevant at all? Of course you can't say that many teams will for sure go better than 8-8 before the season even starts. Last year, 17 teams went better than 8-8. At most, only 2-3 can be considered locks to go better than 8-8 again (Patriots and Packers - maybe the Steelers and Seahawks). Even that is a stretch, because if Rodgers misses the season, the Packers probably don't win many games.

We're probably going to finish anywhere from 25-32 in the standings this year which is appropriate for the 30th or 31st best team in the NFL. The Jets are the only team substantially worse than us, but there are a few teams close to us (you could make an argument either way for the Browns, 49ers, Bears, and Rams as the next worst team in the league).

If I was going to bet on any team beating its current projections, I'd probably bet on the Browns - they have what should be a dominant offensive line, their defense should be significantly improved (Garrett is going to be a monster), and Kizer should take over as the starting QB midway through the season and be an improvement over Osweiler or Kessler. I think the Rams got better after adding Watkins, so the Jets, 49ers, and Bears are the three worst teams in the league.

2017 win projections:

Jets: 3.5

Browns: 4.5
49ers: 5.0
Rams: 5.5
Bears: 5.5

Bills: 6.5
Jaguars: 7.0
Lions: 7.5
Chargers: 7.5
Dolphins: 7.5
Redskins: 7.5

http://www.footballlocks.com/nfl_season_win_total_futures_lines.shtml

Im saying we have a chance to easily be as good if not better than those teams and those matchups say if we were playing them can go either way..

But it doesnt matter cause i believe depending on certain circumstances those teams might not even have as good of records as they did last year while were on the upswing.
Conclusion:

Right where I want to be, no pressure just go out and play football.

#1 or #2 pick is expected so if we make some noise and prove everyone wrong we can all LOL

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Right where I want to be, no pressure just go out and play football.

#1 or #2 pick is expected so if we make some noise and prove everyone wrong we can all LOL

Almost had the cawks beat when they had playoffs on the line, and we had Kap on a depleted team with Chip at the helm whose offense relies on elite talent.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Right where I want to be, no pressure just go out and play football.

#1 or #2 pick is expected so if we make some noise and prove everyone wrong we can all LOL

We probably have the 2nd best odds of getting a top 2 pick (after the Jets), but odds are we don't finish as one of the two worst teams in the league.

There's probably a 25% chance we finish with a top 2 pick, a ~50% chance we finish with pick 3-8 and a ~25% chance we finish with pick 9-16 (there's almost no chance we do better than that). I'd be thrilled if we end up with a top 2 pick and get either Darnold or our choice between Allen and Rosen, but odds are that won't happen. The Jets have a better shot at getting one of the top QBs in the draft, but they could win a couple extra games and miss out on them.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Right where I want to be, no pressure just go out and play football.

#1 or #2 pick is expected so if we make some noise and prove everyone wrong we can all LOL

We probably have the 2nd best odds of getting a top 2 pick (after the Jets), but odds are we don't finish as one of the two worst teams in the league.

There's probably a 25% chance we finish with a top 2 pick, a ~50% chance we finish with pick 3-8 and a ~25% chance we finish with pick 9-16 (there's almost no chance we do better than that). I'd be thrilled if we end up with a top 2 pick and get either Darnold or our choice between Allen and Rosen, but odds are that won't happen. The Jets have a better shot at getting one of the top QBs in the draft, but they could win a couple extra games and miss out on them.

Well were not getting a top two pick.. Sorry to ruin the dream lol.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Well were not getting a top two pick.. Sorry to ruin the dream lol.

We probably won't, but we have as good a chance as anyone save the Jets.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Well were not getting a top two pick.. Sorry to ruin the dream lol.

We probably won't, but we have as good a chance as anyone save the Jets.

I think we have a chance like the teams i mentioned above to possibly play .500 ball or better so well see what happens

Sounds about right. 49ers jets and browns are pretty much in the battle for 0-16

Who cares? F ESPN

Originally posted by susweel:

Sounds about right. 49ers jets and browns are pretty much in the battle for 0-16

In a rush to get sent away, calmate senor

Jags and Buccs we can't be better than? This is their second pre season game...

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Jags and Buccs we can't be better than? This is their second pre season game...

We are already moving up. That's why I said to the poster saying 25 next year would be good was incorrect. Because the teams are going to fall

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Jags and Buccs we can't be better than? This is their second pre season game...

We are already moving up. That's why I said to the poster saying 25 next year would be good was incorrect. Because the teams are going to fall

f**k yeah they are. IMO we werent a legit 2-14 team. What would your thoughts be if wd finished 5-11 last year?

Would it affect your thoughts right now that much? For me personally? It literally makes 5% of a difference.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Jags and Buccs we can't be better than? This is their second pre season game...

We are already moving up. That's why I said to the poster saying 25 next year would be good was incorrect. Because the teams are going to fall

f**k yeah they are. IMO we werent a legit 2-14 team. What would your thoughts be if wd finished 5-11 last year?

Would it affect your thoughts right now that much? For me personally? It literally makes 5% of a difference.

I think 5 is the basement