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Coaches Film Analysis: 2017 Season

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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
Originally posted by jonnydel:


Just GIF's fest....

TEN brings the house and get another unblocked rusher but Jimmy still gets the ball out to Juice on 3rd and 7 for a first down, lol....

oh my god dude, like, that's just ridiculous lol

anyone else having horrible flashbacks to the end of 2012 thinking...if only.....

reported

I love the way Jimmy turns as he throws so that if he's hit, he's pretty much protected by his back pads and his hands can cushion his fall and negate a concussion. In this case he just runs out of the hit, but it's just one way where he saves his body. Little details like that impress the heck out of me.

P.S. I think Hyde missed a block there.

Hyde misses a lot of blocks...why he won't be here next year IMO.
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Why has the running game not picked up with Garoppolo and the passing game being so successful? I
Originally posted by GORO:
Why has the running game not picked up with Garoppolo and the passing game being so successful? I

A weak run blocking offensive line against strong run stopping defensive lines?
[ Edited by 49erphan on Dec 20, 2017 at 7:01 PM ]
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by thl408:
Here's another busted coverage by TEN. Juice will line up wide then motion into the backfield. There's some communication going on between the TEN defenders as they sort things out. The two blue defenders are highlighted to show that one of them should cover Juice, the other should cover Celek.
vs Cover1 blitz.

This looks like possibly a Snag concept with Celek running a Corner, but Celek will adjust his route after the play starts. The safety is lined up over Celek while the OLB has not moved at all after Juice's motion.

I know Juice is a pro bowl FB but no defense should ever double cover a FB in the flat.

#CelekTime +41

Looks like they bracketed both short routes since it was a 5 man rush. I think the FS messed up here.
At the end from the endzone view, 31 Byrd turn3d and was morning rather upset at the corner, like it was his man.
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Coach Ted contributing to this thread:


I don't think the Bourne 50+ yarder was off the same play. Here's a nice article on some staple plays that NE likes to run out of an empty set. Included is the Hoss play above.
https://zachsdunn.com/2017/04/01/new-englands-empty-passing-game/
Here's another play used during the final drive. Based on the article, also one of NE's main plays from empty backfield but 49ers don't go empty. Smart to go with the plays that JG has practiced a lot of from his NE days.



(blown coverage on Hyde)
[ Edited by thl408 on Dec 20, 2017 at 9:35 PM ]
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Here's the big catch and run by Bourne. I initially thought this was another blown coverage by TEN but the play just worked so well it seemed like it.
vs Cover3. Vertical stretch to the Hook zones.


After play action, the Hook defenders are pulled towards the line. The weak Hook has read 'pass' and is starting to back peddle. Strongside Hook has bit hard on the playaction.


The strong Hook engages with Juice. He should be gaining depth not grabbing the FB. The weakside Hook also doesn't do a good job gaining good depth on the zone drop. Hyde getting into his route may have also helped to hold the Hook defenders for Bourne to attack behind.


+54
[ Edited by thl408 on Dec 20, 2017 at 9:59 PM ]
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Kyle spoke about this blown coverage at the start of this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAiqcwbMkA0 (Kyle presser)
vs Cover2 Man
Blue LBs are to cover Hyde and Kittle. Sort it out.


Both cover Hyde.


+24. JG looked to his left first and didn't like it (Kyle said that Kittle was second in progression)
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Coach Ted contributing to this thread:


I don't think the Bourne 50+ yarder was off the same play. Here's a nice article on some staple plays that NE likes to run out of an empty set. Included is the Hoss play above.
https://zachsdunn.com/2017/04/01/new-englands-empty-passing-game/
Here's another play used during the final drive. Based on the article, also one of NE's main plays from empty backfield but 49ers don't go empty. Smart to go with the plays that JG has practiced a lot of from his NE days.



(blown coverage on Hyde)

Might have got it from pops as well


Seriously though, I envision Kyle asking Jimmy what his favorite stuff was in NE. If it was in our offense then it's simply teaching the verbiage. If it's not, I think Kyle would install it. His offense has expanded quite a bit over the years and he runs a ton of stuff outside the scope of a traditional WCO.
Originally posted by jonnydel:


Just GIF's fest....

TEN brings the house and get another unblocked rusher but Jimmy still gets the ball out to Juice on 3rd and 7 for a first down, lol....

First of all a big thank you to you guys. This thread is by far the best in the whole zone. Although it's still tough for me to follow all the terminology haha.
Anyways, everybody is saying that JG is going to get killed by the jags D. But it seems to be that he can handle different schemes as well as pressure. All these free rushers and he still almost always finds a target for a gain.
So what is you guys take on how he will handle next Sunday's game?
Originally posted by thl408:
Here's the big catch and run by Bourne. I initially thought this was another blown coverage by TEN but the play just worked so well it seemed like it.
vs Cover3. Vertical stretch to the Hook zones.


After play action, the Hook defenders are pulled towards the line. The weak Hook has read 'pass' and is starting to back peddle. Strongside Hook has bit hard on the playaction.


The strong Hook engages with Juice. He should be gaining depth not grabbing the FB. The weakside Hook also doesn't do a good job gaining good depth on the zone drop. Hyde getting into his route may have also helped to hold the Hook defenders for Bourne to attack behind.


+54

Here's an example where Goodwin can improve. Although he's in front of Bourne he does nothing to shield off Bourne's pursuers. In fact, he only gets in Bourne's way.
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by thl408:


Here's an example where Goodwin can improve. Although he's in front of Bourne he does nothing to shield off Bourne's pursuers. In fact, he only gets in Bourne's way.

Yeah, if he just stopped and blocked the guy that made the tackle (like he started out to do), that is probably 6.

EDIT: Although the way the season has gone with the refs calling BS penalties on our WRs, maybe he was afraid to touch any defender for fear of a holding call.
[ Edited by a49erfan77 on Dec 21, 2017 at 5:13 AM ]
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Sometimes I've seen LeBeau do a zone-man where it's like a pattern-match. The first guy into your zone is who you got. I've seen it always behind heavy pressure. That way a team can't get any pick/rub plays against you on those.
Nice that you brought that up. Similar to this play here. LeBeau will pattern match out of a Fire Zone blitz. First, some major window dressing. 49ers line up like this, but will motion Celek over to the left.
2Q 1st & 10


Now that Staley is covered by Celek, Goodwin can go in motion.


As soon as Goodwin gets near behind Murphy (18), the CB has to react. When the CB sees Goodwin coming to his side of the field, the CB has to be careful that no WR is aligned wider than him - that CB must align over #1, whether it's Goodwin or Murphy. So the CB backs off from press alignment. The field safety also comes down to become the curl/flat defender due to Goodwin's motion.


In LeBeau's Fire zone, the curl/flat defender is often the Seam player and will carry any verticals from #2 up the seam - shown here on Murphy. LeBeau's Seam player plays outside-in (outside leverage). But the main point of this cut up is the anticipation that JG throws with when targeting Goodwin. JG is midway through his windup and Goodwin has not even entered his break.


JG has already released the ball and Goodwin has just entered his break.


+18

you're allowed to motion more than once in any given play?
Originally posted by thl408:
Here's another play used during the final drive. Based on the article, also one of NE's main plays from empty backfield but 49ers don't go empty. Smart to go with the plays that JG has practiced a lot of from his NE days.



(blown coverage on Hyde)

does this count as a 1-step drop? JG's foot positioning, while efficient, always bugs me before the snap and how he beings his drop back. that initial step I never count as it'd always be an even # of steps. just the step to push off with it seems. only bring it up because the diagram shows the outer most receiver being a 3-step drop while to me he conducted a 1-step. im probably over-analyzing QB drops but can't help but be intrigued by small things like that
Originally posted by 49er90:
Originally posted by thl408:
Here's another play used during the final drive. Based on the article, also one of NE's main plays from empty backfield but 49ers don't go empty. Smart to go with the plays that JG has practiced a lot of from his NE days.



(blown coverage on Hyde)

does this count as a 1-step drop? JG's foot positioning, while efficient, always bugs me before the snap and how he beings his drop back. that initial step I never count as it'd always be an even # of steps. just the step to push off with it seems. only bring it up because the diagram shows the outer most receiver being a 3-step drop while to me he conducted a 1-step. im probably over-analyzing QB drops but can't help but be intrigued by small things like that

As for QB steps, the Gun is worth 2. So the Gun +1, is essentially a 3 step drop.

On the diagram, I think those steps are WR steps. So the outer WR takes 3 steps before their in cut of the slant.
Originally posted by Niners816:
As for QB steps, the Gun is worth 2. So the Gun +1, is essentially a 3 step drop.

On the diagram, I think those steps are WR steps. So the outer WR takes 3 steps before their in cut of the slant.

oh yeah the gun makes sense. that works
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