Coaches Film Analysis: 2017 Season

Originally posted by 420Sports:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Just GIF's fest....

TEN brings the house and get another unblocked rusher but Jimmy still gets the ball out to Juice on 3rd and 7 for a first down, lol....

First of all a big thank you to you guys. This thread is by far the best in the whole zone. Although it's still tough for me to follow all the terminology haha.
Anyways, everybody is saying that JG is going to get killed by the jags D. But it seems to be that he can handle different schemes as well as pressure. All these free rushers and he still almost always finds a target for a gain.
So what is you guys take on how he will handle next Sunday's game?

That jags D is legit. Speed for days. Our receivers will be better covered and our run game will prob be stifled. Unless shamahan schemes a brilliant plan I don't see us even getting close

Originally posted by Niners816:
As for QB steps, the Gun is worth 2. So the Gun +1, is essentially a 3 step drop.

On the diagram, I think those steps are WR steps. So the outer WR takes 3 steps before their in cut of the slant.

even so, it seems like that the diagram could dictate the steps as well. Considering the WR and QB would literally be in rhythm

Originally posted by 49er90:
you're allowed to motion more than once in any given play?

if you motion then get set for 1 second and motion again, yea

Originally posted by 49er90:

you're allowed to motion more than once in any given play?

Yeah, I think the rule is you can't motion more than one at the same time, so the first has to be set.

When you see everyone move that's a formation shift.

Originally posted by footballxpaul:

Originally posted by 49er90:
you're allowed to motion more than once in any given play?

if you motion then get set for 1 second and motion again, yea

Always thought you could motion 1 player not multiple after being set

Any idea what cause the blown coverages from Tenn. Seemed odd a LeBeau defense crapping out this late in the season. Or was it something that Kyle had setup by playcall throughout the game...

Originally posted by 49er90:

Originally posted by footballxpaul:

Originally posted by 49er90:

you're allowed to motion more than once in any given play?

if you motion then get set for 1 second and motion again, yea

Always thought you could motion 1 player not multiple after being set

You can have as many shifts as time allows. You just can't have 2 guys in motion at the snap.

Kyle likes starting with a detached TE on some formations. He'll shift him back to the formation. Then the FB will shift/motion out to give a strong or weak I look.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Here's an example where Goodwin can improve. Although he's in front of Bourne he does nothing to shield off Bourne's pursuers. In fact, he only gets in Bourne's way.

I don't see it as Goodwin's fault as much as Bourne cutting back to the outside into Goodwin and the outside defender.

Originally posted by GORO:
Why has the running game not picked up with Garoppolo and the passing game being so successful? I

As Shanahan said earlier this week, teams are still stacking the box and forcing us to beat them with the pass.

Our opponents weren't on the Jimmy G hype train. They were game-planning like he was CJ Beathard or Brian Hoyer. This dude wanted to be the successor to the GOAT in NE. He's getting his wish as the successor to the GOAT in SF.

When teams start respecting JimmyG, things will open up in the running game. Not many RBs can deal with an 8+ man front.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Any idea what cause the blown coverages from Tenn. Seemed odd a LeBeau defense crapping out this late in the season. Or was it something that Kyle had setup by playcall throughout the game...

Well, the long Celek pass was a combination of a good play call, motion that confused the defense, and the defense ready to intercept the flat and Celeck snuck in behind that aggressive DB.

In general though, after reading a lot of JOhnnyDels, 816, and THL's cut ups and gifs, and a lot of other's insights, the big factor is the varied formations, and motions. Some of these formations just forces a DB out of his assignment, other formations just look like another play, but they run a different play from the same formation. Lots of slight of hand tricks, basically. If Kyle was a magician, he'd be playing in Las Vegas.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Any idea what cause the blown coverages from Tenn. Seemed odd a LeBeau defense crapping out this late in the season. Or was it something that Kyle had setup by playcall throughout the game...

Well, the long Celek pass was a combination of a good play call, motion that confused the defense, and the defense ready to intercept the flat and Celeck snuck in behind that aggressive DB.

In general though, after reading a lot of JOhnnyDels, 816, and THL's cut ups and gifs, and a lot of other's insights, the big factor is the varied formations, and motions. Some of these formations just forces a DB out of his assignment, other formations just look like another play, but they run a different play from the same formation. Lots of slight of hand tricks, basically. If Kyle was a magician, he'd be playing in Las Vegas.

I LOVE the vertical stretch we created attacking the hook zones by utilizing our players out of the backfield. In combination with slants over the top, plus play-action. so smart.

not sure how common it is, but good stuff th and JD

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Any idea what cause the blown coverages from Tenn. Seemed odd a LeBeau defense crapping out this late in the season. Or was it something that Kyle had setup by playcall throughout the game...

Well, the long Celek pass was a combination of a good play call, motion that confused the defense, and the defense ready to intercept the flat and Celeck snuck in behind that aggressive DB.

In general though, after reading a lot of JOhnnyDels, 816, and THL's cut ups and gifs, and a lot of other's insights, the big factor is the varied formations, and motions. Some of these formations just forces a DB out of his assignment, other formations just look like another play, but they run a different play from the same formation. Lots of slight of hand tricks, basically. If Kyle was a magician, he'd be playing in Las Vegas.

Totally! It's the Shanny offense. CJ did miss some open players at times or just didn't have the ability to let it rip fast enough when pressure was coming that caused receivers to be open.

Jimmy G...he has been finding them all and this has caused the defense to be on their heels and force the floater players to want to overhelp somewhere which gives our receivers even more of an advantage.

Originally posted by thl408:
Here's another busted coverage by TEN. Juice will line up wide then motion into the backfield. There's some communication going on between the TEN defenders as they sort things out. The two blue defenders are highlighted to show that one of them should cover Juice, the other should cover Celek.
vs Cover1 blitz.

This looks like possibly a Snag concept with Celek running a Corner, but Celek will adjust his route after the play starts. The safety is lined up over Celek while the OLB has not moved at all after Juice's motion.

I know Juice is a pro bowl FB but no defense should ever double cover a FB in the flat.

#CelekTime +41

Damn this Jimmy G. Just focus on him and how the ball comes out. It looks like it is only going 5 yards to Taylor but it zips 30 yards in the air! That is very tough for defenders to gauge in terms of guessing the vector of the ball from the QB's windup. Look at the free safety. He didn't budge until the ball went over Taylor's head. He was actually already headed in Celeks direction but froze eyeing Taylor as Jimmy G wound up. Then he was like, oh s**t, the ball going way over here.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Any idea what cause the blown coverages from Tenn. Seemed odd a LeBeau defense crapping out this late in the season. Or was it something that Kyle had setup by playcall throughout the game...

Well, the long Celek pass was a combination of a good play call, motion that confused the defense, and the defense ready to intercept the flat and Celeck snuck in behind that aggressive DB.

In general though, after reading a lot of JOhnnyDels, 816, and THL's cut ups and gifs, and a lot of other's insights, the big factor is the varied formations, and motions. Some of these formations just forces a DB out of his assignment, other formations just look like another play, but they run a different play from the same formation. Lots of slight of hand tricks, basically. If Kyle was a magician, he'd be playing in Las Vegas.

Personally, I love offenses that use a ton of different formations with shifts/motion. That's part of the reason why I really didn't enjoy Chip Kelly's offense. He'd use the same 4-5 formations over and over again. To my recollection there was little use of motion/shift or any motion that was used instantly signaled what play was coming. This works well at speed at the college level but just doesn't cut it in the nfl.

It just fun and feels like the old times watching Kyle's offense.

Back in the late 80's at the height of Walsh WCO, I remember vaguely ESPN with Jaws and some other guys were breaking down some of Walsh's plays. And their general appreciation of his offense is that he will have multitude of run or pass plays out of the same formation. Even some of the blockings up front would look the same on initial snap. So defenders will see something they have seen before and familiar, but in essence late in recognize what's coming.

I'm sure Kyle's offense with the WCO base will certainly have some of that.