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Coaches Film Analysis: 2017 Season

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  • thl408
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Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Originally posted by GORO:
Why has the running game not picked up with Garoppolo and the passing game being so successful? I
As Shanahan said earlier this week, teams are still stacking the box and forcing us to beat them with the pass.

Our opponents weren't on the Jimmy G hype train. They were game-planning like he was CJ Beathard or Brian Hoyer. This dude wanted to be the successor to the GOAT in NE. He's getting his wish as the successor to the GOAT in SF.

When teams start respecting JimmyG, things will open up in the running game. Not many RBs can deal with an 8+ man front.
Kilgore really struggled in this game and was continually being pushed into the backfield. On many plays, as soon as Hyde got the handoff he had defender(s) in the backfield that he had to deal with. I counted just one play where I thought Hyde danced too much (bounced way outside for no gain). Beadles and Fusco also took turns getting beat in the run game.

All season long the 49ers seem to have much more success on inside zone while struggling with outside zone. In particular, the split zone play has been their best run play. This isn't surprising considering the skillset of Fusco/Tomlinson as they are better at straight ahead blocking than they are at blocking on the move (outside zone).

Here are the two best runs of the day for Hyde. Here using split zone. +8


Here using outside zone, but as has been the case all season, when the play goes to the right, whether it's Brown or Beadles, they have had trouble sealing the playside edge. So what Kyle does is he has a TE/FB coming back to sift block the backside pursuit giving Hyde the option to hit the hole off the backside since Kyle knows that gaining the playside edge is a minor miracle. As soon as Beadles gets stuffed, Hyde hits the backside which benefitted from having Juice make the sift block. Anytime the 49ers have a successful run, there's probably a sift block involved. +7
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Any idea what cause the blown coverages from Tenn. Seemed odd a LeBeau defense crapping out this late in the season. Or was it something that Kyle had setup by playcall throughout the game...

Well, the long Celek pass was a combination of a good play call, motion that confused the defense, and the defense ready to intercept the flat and Celeck snuck in behind that aggressive DB.

In general though, after reading a lot of JOhnnyDels, 816, and THL's cut ups and gifs, and a lot of other's insights, the big factor is the varied formations, and motions. Some of these formations just forces a DB out of his assignment, other formations just look like another play, but they run a different play from the same formation. Lots of slight of hand tricks, basically. If Kyle was a magician, he'd be playing in Las Vegas.

Personally, I love offenses that use a ton of different formations with shifts/motion. That's part of the reason why I really didn't enjoy Chip Kelly's offense. He'd use the same 4-5 formations over and over again. To my recollection there was little use of motion/shift or any motion that was used instantly signaled what play was coming. This works well at speed at the college level but just doesn't cut it in the nfl.

It just fun and feels like the old times watching Kyle's offense.

Harbaugh did a lot of this though. So many different personnel groupings or plays 'dressed' as what looked like a read option play. loved his dynamic and creative running game
seeing all these free rushers coming at Jimmy, I wish LeBeau was mic'd up on the sideline.

what an experience it must be to coach under him.
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by thl408:
Here's another busted coverage by TEN. Juice will line up wide then motion into the backfield. There's some communication going on between the TEN defenders as they sort things out. The two blue defenders are highlighted to show that one of them should cover Juice, the other should cover Celek.
vs Cover1 blitz.

This looks like possibly a Snag concept with Celek running a Corner, but Celek will adjust his route after the play starts. The safety is lined up over Celek while the OLB has not moved at all after Juice's motion.

I know Juice is a pro bowl FB but no defense should ever double cover a FB in the flat.

#CelekTime +41

Damn this Jimmy G. Just focus on him and how the ball comes out. It looks like it is only going 5 yards to Taylor but it zips 30 yards in the air! That is very tough for defenders to gauge in terms of guessing the vector of the ball from the QB's windup. Look at the free safety. He didn't budge until the ball went over Taylor's head. He was actually already headed in Celeks direction but froze eyeing Taylor as Jimmy G wound up. Then he was like, oh s**t, the ball going way over here.

That release...
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Originally posted by GORO:
Why has the running game not picked up with Garoppolo and the passing game being so successful? I
As Shanahan said earlier this week, teams are still stacking the box and forcing us to beat them with the pass.

Our opponents weren't on the Jimmy G hype train. They were game-planning like he was CJ Beathard or Brian Hoyer. This dude wanted to be the successor to the GOAT in NE. He's getting his wish as the successor to the GOAT in SF.

When teams start respecting JimmyG, things will open up in the running game. Not many RBs can deal with an 8+ man front.
Kilgore really struggled in this game and was continually being pushed into the backfield. On many plays, as soon as Hyde got the handoff he had defender(s) in the backfield that he had to deal with. I counted just one play where I thought Hyde danced too much (bounced way outside for no gain). Beadles and Fusco also took turns getting beat in the run game.

All season long the 49ers seem to have much more success on inside zone while struggling with outside zone. In particular, the split zone play has been their best run play. This isn't surprising considering the skillset of Fusco/Tomlinson as they are better at straight ahead blocking than they are at blocking on the move (outside zone).

Here are the two best runs of the day for Hyde. Here using split zone. +8


Here using outside zone, but as has been the case all season, when the play goes to the right, whether it's Brown or Beadles, they have had trouble sealing the playside edge. So what Kyle does is he has a TE/FB coming back to sift block the backside pursuit giving Hyde the option to hit the hole off the backside since Kyle knows that gaining the playside edge is a minor miracle. As soon as Beadles gets stuffed, Hyde hits the backside which benefitted from having Juice make the sift block. Anytime the 49ers have a successful run, there's probably a sift block involved. +7
Is it just me or was the hole supposed to be behind Kilgore on the 2nd run?
[ Edited by jcs on Dec 21, 2017 at 12:04 PM ]
Seriously, if we fortify our O-line (which obviously would straighten out the running game), and strengthen our pieces on the outside, how could we be stopped? JG's release is so damn lightning quick, and he progresses through his reads so fast.
Originally posted by defenderDX:
Harbaugh did a lot of this though. So many different personnel groupings or plays 'dressed' as what looked like a read option play. loved his dynamic and creative running game

I liked watching Harbs offense. My biggest complaint about it was his heavy run lean on first down. I wanna say it was something like 65-70% run on first. I think it would have been beneficial to get that closer to 50%.
I know it may be asking a lot but can any of you break down the LAR at JAX game film?
Originally posted by defenderDX:
Seriously, if we fortify our O-line (which obviously would straighten out the running game), and strengthen our pieces on the outside, how could we be stopped? JG's release is so damn lightning quick, and he progresses through his reads so fast.

This! So this! There is no one or two players who can keep up with Goodwin or Taylor more than 3 seconds.

Fortify like a mofo!! Build that wall!
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Can't forget the other side of the ball. I'll show some plays but won't be able to tie them together.
This is the first play for TEN and they were looking to get a big play to kick things off.
Three level flood vs Cover3. This is a well known concept to bust Cover3. Flood the sideline with a three level high-low read.


After playaction, MMariotta has to wait for the routes to develop. This is a long developing combination due to how far the yellow Crosser has to go to get to the other side of the field. The red route removes DJ. The orange route takes Reid. Foster starts his backpeddle after he reads 'pass'.


Instead of just backpeddling, Foster gets his head on a swivel and spots the Crossing route trying to attack behind him. He turns and matches the Crosser. This defeats the flood concept and MM starts to scramble. Tank, playing LDE, does a good job of not getting too far upfield and is in position to take MM down, along with DeFo.


Sacked.
Originally posted by thl408:
Can't forget the other side of the ball. I'll show some plays but won't be able to tie them together.
This is the first play for TEN and they were looking to get a big play to kick things off.
Three level flood vs Cover3. This is a well known concept to bust Cover3. Flood the sideline with a three level high-low read.

After playaction, MMariotta has to wait for the routes to develop. This is a long developing combination due to how far the yellow Crosser has to go to get to the other side of the field. The red route removes DJ. The orange route takes Reid. Foster starts his backpeddle after he reads 'pass'.

Instead of just backpeddling, Foster gets his head on a swivel and spots the Crossing route trying to attack behind him. He turns and matches the Crosser. This defeats the flood concept and MM starts to scramble. Tank, playing LDE, does a good job of not getting too far upfield and is in position to take MM down, along with DeFo.

Sacked.

MM had a big window the instant Foster turned his head to chase the yellow WR. Don't know why more QB's don't throw at a LB with his head turned upfield. Too easy to zip the ball right past their head. Odds are extremely low a LB is able to track the ball for an INT.

Jimmy G will definitely do this and we will see it more than once. Dude has confidence in his accuracy and zip.
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This is the big play by TEN to get into position to score that TD at the end of the half. TEN did a good job of scouting the 49ers here. While the 49ers are a Cover3 team, they will play Cover2 when near/in the red zone.
TEN will run Inverted Smash on each side. I think this concept has been called "Bench" by jonnydel. Whatever it's called, it's a vertical stretch to the flat defender and works against Cover2 Zone.
vs Cover 2 Zone. Spoon and DJ are the flat defenders and are the key reads in this concept.


The two circles are the holes in Cover2 Zone. The red and purple routes are designed to pull Spoon/DJ forward so that yellow/blue attack behind. Notice the difference in depth between Spoon and DJ. DJ has more depth which allows him to cover the Corner route. Spoon is too close to the route in the flat (red). MM targets yellow (RMatthews).


+25
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by thl408:
Can't forget the other side of the ball. I'll show some plays but won't be able to tie them together.
This is the first play for TEN and they were looking to get a big play to kick things off.
Three level flood vs Cover3. This is a well known concept to bust Cover3. Flood the sideline with a three level high-low read.

After playaction, MMariotta has to wait for the routes to develop. This is a long developing combination due to how far the yellow Crosser has to go to get to the other side of the field. The red route removes DJ. The orange route takes Reid. Foster starts his backpeddle after he reads 'pass'.

Instead of just backpeddling, Foster gets his head on a swivel and spots the Crossing route trying to attack behind him. He turns and matches the Crosser. This defeats the flood concept and MM starts to scramble. Tank, playing LDE, does a good job of not getting too far upfield and is in position to take MM down, along with DeFo.

Sacked.

MM had a big window the instant Foster turned his head to chase the yellow WR. Don't know why more QB's don't throw at a LB with his head turned upfield. Too easy to zip the ball right past their head. Odds are extremely low a LB is able to track the ball for an INT.

Jimmy G will definitely do this and we will see it more than once. Dude has confidence in his accuracy and zip.

Maybe, it looked like Foster turned his ahead before the receiver even crossed him yet though. Which means Foster would've matched the route well. may have been the reason Mariota red lighted the route.
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After scoring a TD to end the half. TEN takes the opening kickoff in the 2nd half and marches down the field into the red zone. 49ers defense is on its heels. TEN dials up a similar concept to the play above. DJ is the flat defender and will be the key read for Mariotta.
vs Tampa2


MM takes a look and there's something about it that he doesn't like. The difference between this play and the previous cutup is that this play starts on the 13 yard line - the area is much more condensed so the yellow Corner route can't get far upfield in order to stretch the flat defender.


MM bails out of the pocket and is pressured by Elvis.


With no one open, MM throws it away. 49ers force a FG.
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Originally posted by defenderDX:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by thl408:
Can't forget the other side of the ball. I'll show some plays but won't be able to tie them together.
This is the first play for TEN and they were looking to get a big play to kick things off.
Three level flood vs Cover3. This is a well known concept to bust Cover3. Flood the sideline with a three level high-low read.

After playaction, MMariotta has to wait for the routes to develop. This is a long developing combination due to how far the yellow Crosser has to go to get to the other side of the field. The red route removes DJ. The orange route takes Reid. Foster starts his backpeddle after he reads 'pass'.

Instead of just backpeddling, Foster gets his head on a swivel and spots the Crossing route trying to attack behind him. He turns and matches the Crosser. This defeats the flood concept and MM starts to scramble. Tank, playing LDE, does a good job of not getting too far upfield and is in position to take MM down, along with DeFo.

Sacked.

MM had a big window the instant Foster turned his head to chase the yellow WR. Don't know why more QB's don't throw at a LB with his head turned upfield. Too easy to zip the ball right past their head. Odds are extremely low a LB is able to track the ball for an INT.

Jimmy G will definitely do this and we will see it more than once. Dude has confidence in his accuracy and zip.

Maybe, it looked like Foster turned his ahead before the receiver even crossed him yet though. Which means Foster would've matched the route well. may have been the reason Mariota red lighted the route.
Yeah, it's close. First play of the game, maybe MM is a little hesitant to throw into a tight window. I've never watched MM play before so I don't know what his tendencies are regarding fitting throws into small windows.
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