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Originally posted by thl408:"and then we would have really messed up your outside zone stats"Originally posted by Niners816:^^^^Cohn is full of s**t trying to justify his narrative on that play. It looks like Carlos is tripped and if he wasn't that was at least a 20+ yard play.
I got the sense Kyle was miffed about Cohn using stats to backup his point and not what actually happened.
Originally posted by Niners816:^^^^Cohn is full of s**t trying to justify his narrative on that play. It looks like Carlos is tripped and if he wasn't that was at least a 20+ yard play.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Niners816:
^^^^Cohn is full of s**t trying to justify his narrative on that play. It looks like Carlos is tripped and if he wasn't that was at least a 20+ yard play.
That was Short killing the play by shoving the lineman right into the path of the RB. Dude is a beast.
That play was drawn up pretty much perfectly but the OL got manhandled.
On the positive side, plays like that should result in huge gains against teams with less dominant front lines.
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:Thanks for the break down swaggy-t.
Good to hear a reasonable and knowledged mind keeping it real.
This is you vs the 49ers bashful.
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:I love how chicken littles constantly claim that they're just being "rational" and "realistic" to justify their chicken little-ism.
Thl might be more rational and realistic than anyone else on here.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Tartt also had some lapses at FS when faced with trips. Robinson should sink vs Smash w/ Tartt moving to Dixon. Bowman is like like WTF? pic.twitter.com/2Sqfrrbwdw
— Oscar Aparicio (@BetterRivals) September 13, 2017
Tarrt isn't not a single high safety...that one handed INT was amazing but this stuff is ridiculous
you just said tartt is a single high safety.
Should be "is not a"
Thanks for pointing it out though buzzy
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
so what is the biggest difference between our run defense this year and last? why wasn't Bow able to stuff holes and contain like this last year? (not saying he didn't, or anyone else) the complete change in scheme? responsibilities now for his position?
Besides the talent improvement from not having to play Skov, Bellore, and Purcell, there's also the simplified gap assignments in Saleh's defense. There was an article about Jim ONiel containing testimony from CLE players explaining that the run fits in that JoN CLE defense was incredibly complicated. It required the LBs to read what the DL was doing and react off of the DL. Basically they were exchanging gaps on the fly.
I can only guess what they were asked to do. My guess is if the OL blocked the DL into or out of a gap, the LB would have to read that and replace the gap that the DL got moved out of. In a perfect world, and on the whiteboard, maybe this is a great run defense scheme, but when an entire play lasts a total of 2-3 seconds, that is way too many mental decisions to make when a split second can mean the difference between meeting a lead blocker in the hole, or allowing that lead blocker to get 2 yards beyond the hole.
Here's a snippet from that article:
https://www.si.com/thecauldron/2015/10/21/mike-pettine-cleveland-browns-defense-problems-afc-north
Rather than being assigned specific gaps, Cleveland's defensive linemen play different techniques based on how their offensive counterparts are blocking them. The linebackers, then, are expected to guess what technique their teammates are using, scrape through the resulting mess and make the play.
"It's an entire guessing game," said one source. "Imagine trying to define mud."
Originally posted by matguy87:
Originally posted by defenderDX:Cause he (Bow) only played in 3 and a half games last year?
so what is the biggest difference between our run defense this year and last? why wasn't Bow able to stuff holes and contain like this last year? (not saying he didn't, or anyone else) the complete change in scheme? responsibilities now for his position?
Originally posted by thl408:
This is what Kyle had to say about the outside zone run in this game:
"We did have an outside zone one that I thought we had everyone blocked and we just tripped going through the line. If we would have hit that one, it would have been a 30 yarder and then we would have really messed up your outside zone stats because the one we got would have been a gash, we just tripped. All the others weren't good ones. So, it looks like you're averaging .5 on the outside zones and it's just one play that changes it all for stats."
Pretty sure this is the play Kyle is referring to (near end of 2nd quarter):
1st & 10
I think Hyde just made too quick a decision there. A quicker back would do exactly as Hyde did, but cut back as soon as he saw the defense have outside leverage. Or conversely set that up with a quick strong step to the outside and help get his linemen inside leverage and cut back. Just my opinion. I think Hyde is 50% at fault as was the O Lineman at fault for being blown off the Line.Originally posted by defenderDX:Originally posted by thl408:This is what Kyle had to say about the outside zone run in this game:
"We did have an outside zone one that I thought we had everyone blocked and we just tripped going through the line. If we would have hit that one, it would have been a 30 yarder and then we would have really messed up your outside zone stats because the one we got would have been a gash, we just tripped. All the others weren't good ones. So, it looks like you're averaging .5 on the outside zones and it's just one play that changes it all for stats."
Pretty sure this is the play Kyle is referring to (near end of 2nd quarter):
1st & 10
Originally posted by defenderDX:pretty sure your nickname is buzz lmao
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:Well Tartt missed a tackle I thought he, or any safety should make, and it led to a TD. I don't pay much attention to those small details. It's hard to process all that in the limited time that I watch the tape. I'm mostly looking at plays on a whole - routes vs coverage, or fronts versus run blocking. Rashard Robinson was not put into a spot where he was forced to make an open field tackle. That's something to watch this season. A linemen playing with leverage isn't something I focus on unless it was a part of a great/bad play. Sorry, wish I had a better answer.
Thl What did you see with regard to defensive fundamentals -- tackling, playing with leverage, staying home, penalties?
Originally posted by defenderDX:From what I understand, Fangio's was a fairly straight forward two gapping scheme. The two DEs and the NT each had 2 gaps, freeing up the two ILBs. The OLBs were the edge setters if there was a TE to their side.
well s**t, no wonder. what was an example of Fangio's?
