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Coaches Film Analysis: 2017 Season
Dec 27, 2017 at 2:15 PM
- qnnhan7
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Jimmy got such a short compact throwing motion. Looking like he has T-Rex arm out there
Dec 27, 2017 at 2:16 PM
- jonnydel
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Wanted to touch on the Kittle TD because they were able to take advantage of both what they'd been trying to hit when JG thew the pick and JAX still trying to squat on underneath stuff. Like Thl noted JAX likes to play cover 2 zone in the red-zone, like us. That can leave you susceptible to corner routes or intermediate middle routes. Knowing that and knowing Kyle knows that they look to run a defense to almost bait that play. They play a soft tampa-2 zone. The corners are going to play soft to squeeze any corner routes and the tampa 2 allows the safeties to play wider than normal. In this one they try and not show the defense too much but the top safety gives it away. We're just running a double slant/flat concept. The curl over the middle is always the 3rd in the progression. The biggest key to this identifying your key read on the play. It's the hook/curl defender and/or flat defender against cover 3.
At the snap Jimmy sees the hook/curl defender move out and the safety sitting on a slant route. The middle defender turns to get deep into his middle zone.
The one area a tampa-2 is especially vulnerable is the short middle, as you see here. They've got the slant/flat defeated the whole way. So, Jimmy gets to his 3rd read right away.
This is where having a QB with a quick release and zip on the ball is so helpful. The window opens and closes very, very quickly.
Dec 27, 2017 at 2:24 PM
- qnnhan7
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Timing on the throws are almost impeccable. Wouldn't be surprised if Chip Kelly jizzing on Jimmy's game tapes
Dec 27, 2017 at 2:27 PM
- thl408
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^^ Wow #50 almost got there, but like the Bourne slant, every bit of JG's quick release helps. Good point about playing Tampa2 this close to the end zone - how the short middle is open. On the INT, Goodwin was wide open in the middle. Perhaps this was discussed during the half and on this 3rd quarter Kittle TD, it was exploited.
Dec 27, 2017 at 2:27 PM
- jonnydel
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Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Timing on the throws are almost impeccable. Wouldn't be surprised if Chip Kelly jizzing on Jimmy's game tapes
Chip Kelly would be sitting there talking about how much better Jimmy would be with more tempo.....
Dec 27, 2017 at 2:31 PM
- D0PEMAN
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Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Timing on the throws are almost impeccable. Wouldn't be surprised if Chip Kelly jizzing on Jimmy's game tapes
Peep that release time though, as soon as he cocks back, it's already too late.
Dec 27, 2017 at 2:34 PM
- thl408
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49ers were able to hit a few bootleg/slide concepts for big plays, taking advantage of JAC's aggressive pursuit to the ball. Playaction to sell outside zone, bootleg JG opposite the flow.
1. +17 to Juice
2. +21 Kittle
3. +4 Goodwin (3rd & 2 converted)
49ers also got an auto first down when Goodwin was held (more like clotheslined) in the backfield on a 3rd & 2 - also off a slide concept. That's 4 key positive plays off misdirection.
1. +17 to Juice
2. +21 Kittle
3. +4 Goodwin (3rd & 2 converted)
49ers also got an auto first down when Goodwin was held (more like clotheslined) in the backfield on a 3rd & 2 - also off a slide concept. That's 4 key positive plays off misdirection.
Dec 27, 2017 at 2:56 PM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Timing on the throws are almost impeccable. Wouldn't be surprised if Chip Kelly jizzing on Jimmy's game tapes
Peep that release time though, as soon as he cocks back, it's already too late.
That's what she said.
Dec 27, 2017 at 2:59 PM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by thl408:
49ers were able to hit a few bootleg/slide concepts for big plays, taking advantage of JAC's aggressive pursuit to the ball. Playaction to sell outside zone, bootleg JG opposite the flow.
1. +17 to Juice
2. +21 Kittle
3. +4 Goodwin (3rd & 2 converted)
49ers also got an auto first down when Goodwin was held (more like clotheslined) in the backfield on a 3rd & 2 - also off a slide concept. That's 4 key positive plays off misdirection.
You know what is great about the stretch zone runs? The playactions are easier for the OL to disguise because the stretch zone doesn't require immediately blocking upfield and give away the pass play. Safeties and LB's key on the OL getting upfield to alert run/pass and OL that are accustomed to immediately blocking upfield on run plays tend to get downfield too far if the pass is late. Or on traditional offenses, run plays have OL block upfield. If they aren't moving upfield, then it is most likely a draw or Playaction.
The stretch runs disguise all of this much better.
Dec 27, 2017 at 2:59 PM
- D0PEMAN
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[ Edited by D0PEMAN on Dec 27, 2017 at 3:00 PM ]
Dec 27, 2017 at 3:02 PM
- Joecool
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Also, play action can be washed away by the QB. For example, Alex Smith and Kap had horrible habits of running themselves out of bounds. The better QB's understand where to sit after a play fake to buy more time and allow for more possible targets rather than running themselves to the sidelines which usually results in only one available target. Alex Smith still does this. SMH
Dec 27, 2017 at 3:12 PM
- thl408
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Originally posted by OptionZero:49ers run a Spacing type combination to JG's left. Bourne lines up to the single side. JG seemed to make a presnap read of targeting Bourne's slant. I think it's because of where the orange LB lined up, almost directly over center, very close to the middle of the field.
On that slant to Bourne that was nearly a pick-6, Jimmy got it into the window, but can you break it down to show whether he "should" have made that thrown (or gone elsewhere)
vs Cover6
JG takes the snap and targets Bourne with no hesitation.
+12
Dec 27, 2017 at 3:15 PM
- D0PEMAN
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Originally posted by thl408:
49ers run a Spacing type combination to JG's left. Bourne lines up to the single side. JG seemed to make a presnap read of targeting Bourne's slant. I think it's because of where the orange LB lined up, almost directly over center, very close to the middle of the field.
vs Cover6
JG takes the snap and targets Bourne with no hesitation.
+12
Geez, that window is like the size of a basketball hoop, the LB actually had good reaction time but still got diced!
Dec 27, 2017 at 3:22 PM
- thl408
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Originally posted by Joecool:Yup. To sell playaction on outside zone, no one has to pull, and the first few steps look the same to the defense whether it's an actual OZ run or it's playaction. Inside zone and many power concepts require driving ahead in the OL's initial steps. Outside zone also elongates the timing of the playaction. The excerpt below is Kyle talking about being in shotgun vs under center, but the point he is making is that he wants to prolong the duration of the playaction. Outside zone helps the cause.
You know what is great about the stretch zone runs? The playactions are easier for the OL to disguise because the stretch zone doesn't require immediately blocking upfield and give away the pass play. Safeties and LB's key on the OL getting upfield to alert run/pass and OL that are accustomed to immediately blocking upfield on run plays tend to get downfield too far if the pass is late. Or on traditional offenses, run plays have OL block upfield. If they aren't moving upfield, then it is most likely a draw or Playaction.
The stretch runs disguise all of this much better.
"Every time you're under center, you've got a lot more run options and a lot more play-action options and a lot more movement options off of your runs," Shanahan said. "Your play choices are endless. You can do everything. Once you get into the 'gun, certain things are like cut in half. Play-action is not as good because it happens quicker. You can't hold the ball out there for as long and stuff. It just eliminates being as balanced."
Dec 27, 2017 at 3:35 PM
- Antix
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Originally posted by D0PEMAN:Geez, that window is like the size of a basketball hoop, the LB actually had good reaction time but still got diced!
That throw was witch craft.