Coaches Film Analysis: 2017 Season

Originally posted by northoakland510:

THL what changed when Seattle made their only touchdown of the game? The defense up until that point had stopped Wilson from running crazy. On that drive those dudes were just crashing down and giving him running lanes like they didn't know what was coming.

Originally posted by thl408:

I think this is what was supposed to happen on that 4th & 1 (scrape exchange with Solly and RayRay). DE crashes down to force the QB keeper, have a LB waiting for the QB on the edge.

Missed assignments and lots and lots of holds. AA was in the backfield, IIRC, 5 times chasing Wilson out of the pocket to greener pasture. Just nobody home on the other side or that guy was held from getting there (Tank).

Did Armstead think it was a TE screen pass? something they saw on film? WTF?

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

From what I remember on the TD pass play, we had two defenders collide in the pocket and help RW to escape.

If someone could post this still pic, that would be great. How the hell does that little hobbit get out of this forest...again.

https://twitter.com/BR_DougFarrar/status/909879616008896512

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Did Armstead think it was a TE screen pass? something they saw on film? WTF?

That was my exact guess as well.

Here's the missed TD opportunity Thl talked about earlier. This is the kind of thing that's the difference in a game like this. It's 3rd down and 6 and Hoyer looks for the first down, not the touchdown.



Here, we're just going to run 2 deep crossers with a short in route. Hoyer's thinking that Seattle will play a soft 3 zone and he'll have Taylor open on the in. We have Goodwin in the slot up top and Kittle down below inside Garcon.

Seattle is in cover 3 "mable" on this play to the bottom. That means it's cover 3 zone with one side being in man -coverage on the outside corner, in this case, Sherman.

In "Mable" coverage the hook/curl defenders will often times carry the vertical route - on the trips side especially. When Breida motions out, Wagners motions for this call. So, Chancellor will look to carry the vertical route and Wagner will carry the out breaking route wherever it goes.



Here you see Wagner carrying the RB and Chancellor is eyeing and carrying the vertical TE route. Sherman is in man-coverage on Garcon. This allows the weakside hook/curl defender to watch for an in-breaking route.



What Hoyer needs to recognize is the Seattle is in "mable". So, he should know Chancellor is going to carry Kittle up the field and Sherman will cut off on Garcon's out route. This will open up a big hole in the coverage, he just has to anticipate it and climb the pocket.



Here, you see the 3 middle defenders are focused on the TE crosser and Goodwin is about to break free. Hoyer should be stepping up into a throw right here. Instead, he's locked on to a 1st down route and is looking for Taylor.



The ball should be coming out here and on it's way. Goodwin has gotten open and he'd walk in for a TD or Hoyer could've put air under it and led him into the endzone.



This is what the pocket looked like when Goodwin was just about to break free. If he steps up and makes that throw, it's a different ball game. Instead, it's a 4 yard sack credited against Staley.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here's the missed TD opportunity Thl talked about earlier. This is the kind of thing that's the difference in a game like this. It's 3rd down and 6 and Hoyer looks for the first down, not the touchdown.



Here, we're just going to run 2 deep crossers with a short in route. Hoyer's thinking that Seattle will play a soft 3 zone and he'll have Taylor open on the in. We have Goodwin in the slot up top and Kittle down below inside Garcon.

Seattle is in cover 3 "mable" on this play to the bottom. That means it's cover 3 zone with one side being in man -coverage on the outside corner, in this case, Sherman.

In "Mable" coverage the hook/curl defenders will often times carry the vertical route - on the trips side especially. When Breida motions out, Wagners motions for this call. So, Chancellor will look to carry the vertical route and Wagner will carry the out breaking route wherever it goes.



Here you see Wagner carrying the RB and Chancellor is eyeing and carrying the vertical TE route. Sherman is in man-coverage on Garcon. This allows the weakside hook/curl defender to watch for an in-breaking route.



What Hoyer needs to recognize is the Seattle is in "mable". So, he should know Chancellor is going to carry Kittle up the field and Sherman will cut off on Garcon's out route. This will open up a big hole in the coverage, he just has to anticipate it and climb the pocket.



Here, you see the 3 middle defenders are focused on the TE crosser and Goodwin is about to break free. Hoyer should be stepping up into a throw right here. Instead, he's locked on to a 1st down route and is looking for Taylor.



The ball should be coming out here and on it's way. Goodwin has gotten open and he'd walk in for a TD or Hoyer could've put air under it and led him into the endzone.



This is what the pocket looked like when Goodwin was just about to break free. If he steps up and makes that throw, it's a different ball game. Instead, it's a 4 yard sack credited against Staley.

Staley sucks at the most crucial times. hoyer need just a little more time

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Staley sucks at the most crucial times. hoyer need just a little more time

One smart thing Seattle did was they gave up trying to rush against Brown so they started overloading Staley's side and Hoyer got annihilated 3 times as as result...Clark and Richardson in particular.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Staley sucks at the most crucial times. hoyer need just a little more time

I can't blame Staley on this one. He gave Hoyer enough time to throw against Michael Bennet, whom Nate Solder couldn't contain. IMO the entire O-line gave him enough time and if he climbs the pocket like he's supposed to, he's gonna be able to make that throw 10/10 times.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Staley sucks at the most crucial times. hoyer need just a little more time

One smart thing Seattle did was they gave up trying to rush against Brown so they started overloading Staley's side and Hoyer got annihilated 3 times as as result...Clark and Richardson in particular.

yeah, that's also on Kilgore. He slid protection the wrong way several times.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Here's the missed TD opportunity Thl talked about earlier. This is the kind of thing that's the difference in a game like this. It's 3rd down and 6 and Hoyer looks for the first down, not the touchdown.



Here, we're just going to run 2 deep crossers with a short in route. Hoyer's thinking that Seattle will play a soft 3 zone and he'll have Taylor open on the in. We have Goodwin in the slot up top and Kittle down below inside Garcon.

Seattle is in cover 3 "mable" on this play to the bottom. That means it's cover 3 zone with one side being in man -coverage on the outside corner, in this case, Sherman.

In "Mable" coverage the hook/curl defenders will often times carry the vertical route - on the trips side especially. When Breida motions out, Wagners motions for this call. So, Chancellor will look to carry the vertical route and Wagner will carry the out breaking route wherever it goes.



Here you see Wagner carrying the RB and Chancellor is eyeing and carrying the vertical TE route. Sherman is in man-coverage on Garcon. This allows the weakside hook/curl defender to watch for an in-breaking route.



What Hoyer needs to recognize is the Seattle is in "mable". So, he should know Chancellor is going to carry Kittle up the field and Sherman will cut off on Garcon's out route. This will open up a big hole in the coverage, he just has to anticipate it and climb the pocket.



Here, you see the 3 middle defenders are focused on the TE crosser and Goodwin is about to break free. Hoyer should be stepping up into a throw right here. Instead, he's locked on to a 1st down route and is looking for Taylor.



The ball should be coming out here and on it's way. Goodwin has gotten open and he'd walk in for a TD or Hoyer could've put air under it and led him into the endzone.



This is what the pocket looked like when Goodwin was just about to break free. If he steps up and makes that throw, it's a different ball game. Instead, it's a 4 yard sack credited against Staley.

Oh C'mon....noted Xs and Os genius Grant Cohn says the only way to attack cover 3 is "All Verts" and "Y Stick N Nod" (his last articles was saying just this and ripping Kyle for not doing it ).

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Here's the missed TD opportunity Thl talked about earlier. This is the kind of thing that's the difference in a game like this. It's 3rd down and 6 and Hoyer looks for the first down, not the touchdown.



Here, we're just going to run 2 deep crossers with a short in route. Hoyer's thinking that Seattle will play a soft 3 zone and he'll have Taylor open on the in. We have Goodwin in the slot up top and Kittle down below inside Garcon.

Seattle is in cover 3 "mable" on this play to the bottom. That means it's cover 3 zone with one side being in man -coverage on the outside corner, in this case, Sherman.

In "Mable" coverage the hook/curl defenders will often times carry the vertical route - on the trips side especially. When Breida motions out, Wagners motions for this call. So, Chancellor will look to carry the vertical route and Wagner will carry the out breaking route wherever it goes.



Here you see Wagner carrying the RB and Chancellor is eyeing and carrying the vertical TE route. Sherman is in man-coverage on Garcon. This allows the weakside hook/curl defender to watch for an in-breaking route.



What Hoyer needs to recognize is the Seattle is in "mable". So, he should know Chancellor is going to carry Kittle up the field and Sherman will cut off on Garcon's out route. This will open up a big hole in the coverage, he just has to anticipate it and climb the pocket.



Here, you see the 3 middle defenders are focused on the TE crosser and Goodwin is about to break free. Hoyer should be stepping up into a throw right here. Instead, he's locked on to a 1st down route and is looking for Taylor.



The ball should be coming out here and on it's way. Goodwin has gotten open and he'd walk in for a TD or Hoyer could've put air under it and led him into the endzone.



This is what the pocket looked like when Goodwin was just about to break free. If he steps up and makes that throw, it's a different ball game. Instead, it's a 4 yard sack credited against Staley.

Oh C'mon....noted Xs and Os genius Grant Cohn says the only way to attack cover 3 is "All Verts" and "Y Stick N Nod" (his last articles was saying just this and ripping Kyle for not doing it ).

Hate Cohn. Dude is a twerp.

This is the keyframe right here when I thought the FS was flat footed and Goodwin was streaking across the field. The next pic you posted, Goodwin was already open and Hoyer was already about to get sacked. I can't tell what Hoyer's progression is on this play, but there's no doubt that the deep cross is later in the progression since deep crosses are late developing. I didn't think Hoyer gave Goodwin's route a chance by going to it (staying with it).

SEA isn't going to give big windows anywhere, especially the red zone. imo, Kyle called this play at the perfect time because the safety (Kam) was rotating down to a Hook zone, gets occupied by Kittles, and the area behind him is there to attack (yellow circle). If Hoyer lobs a pass to the bottom of the 'K' in "Seahawks" of the endzone, it's 6 points. Earl Thomas was flat footed.

Originally posted by Niners816:
Oh C'mon....noted Xs and Os genius Grant Cohn says the only way to attack cover 3 is "All Verts" and "Y Stick N Nod" (his last articles was saying just this and ripping Kyle for not doing it ).

haha, funny thing is, if you scroll to the bottom of that article I blasted him in the comments section....lol

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Staley sucks at the most crucial times. hoyer need just a little more time

I can't blame Staley on this one. He gave Hoyer enough time to throw against Michael Bennet, whom Nate Solder couldn't contain. IMO the entire O-line gave him enough time and if he climbs the pocket like he's supposed to, he's gonna be able to make that throw 10/10 times.

you wanted Hoyer in a fraction of a second to throw to a spot that has 3 to 2 coverage. I doubt he even sees anyone breaking free with all that traffic over there

maybe Hyde out of the back field ?

Laken should have took the inside block so Hoyer can move to the outside..

Originally posted by thl408:


This is the keyframe right here when I thought the FS was flat footed and Goodwin was streaking across the field. The next pic you posted, Goodwin was already open and Hoyer was already about to get sacked. I can't tell what Hoyer's progression is on this play, but there's no doubt that the deep cross is later in the progression since deep crosses are late developing. I didn't think Hoyer gave Goodwin's route a chance by going to it (staying with it).

SEA isn't going to give big windows anywhere, especially the red zone. imo, Kyle called this play at the perfect time because the safety (Kam) was rotating down to a Hook zone, gets occupied by Kittles, and the area behind him is there to attack (yellow circle). If Hoyer lobs a pass to the bottom of the 'K' in "Seahawks" of the endzone, it's 6 points. Earl Thomas was flat footed.

agreed on all counts