Coaches Film Analysis: 2017 Season

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:
RW can probably run away from AA inside a phonebooth

Perfect!

Shades of Brooks chasing Wilson for 40 minutes on one play tripping over himself before Wilson heaves a bomb...for a reception.

Edit: For an additional good laugh, watch Buckner...left, no right, no left, no right, left...f**k, now right, now left, no right...YES...got that little f**ker. What? TD?

What's funny about a guy looking to get past a double team?

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

It's probably because that's the one from Madden lol. Speaking of, I just whooped a guy, he quit with 3 min left in the 3rd qtr after I was 11/11 for 140 yards and 4 TD's and had 4 int's.

What playbook you using Custom or Shanny's or other? It shouldn't shock anyone that I'm using the "West Coast" playbook. I'm just a sucker for the Near and Far forms and it's the only one on the game that has them. For some dumb reason, you can't put them in a custom book this year.

I use a custom off shanny's as a base. I like running a lot of 2 TE sets or using s split shotgun with a FB in the backfield and TE in the slot. Gives me a lot of options for run and pass. If they cover 3 or single safety there's a bunch of options and if they go 2 deep I can run it.

But, it all depends on how my opponent plays. If have stuff for a lot of things that I know. But, I do a lot of vertical stretching, drives, shall cross, curl/flat, mesh, dagger. Then on d i run a lotnof buzz match and control the WILL how he should play and then throw in variations of sky and cover 6. Occasionally cloud if I'm sensing a shallow crosser to that side and want to negate it.

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by thl408:

AA is a 6'8 lumbering ogre. RW can probably run away from AA inside a phonebooth.

To me this is lane responsibility or lack of. I was taught and passed on to the kids I coached that if you are on the left and you get through you always attack the left side of the qb that way you should have help coming from the right and corral the qb. Of course if you are rushing from the right it is the opposite. As soon as he broke through he should have worked back to the left. Of course most qbs would have been sacked willow is just too damn slippery.

Wilson has eyes in the back of his head. Watch it again and you can already see Wilson moving away from Elvis who he can't even see. I hate that hobbit! He's like the Barry Sanders of QB's...nice stop on a dime and change directions instantly. And how the hell does he even do that while keeping his eyes downfield, throws across his body left while he's getting sacked. Just insane.

Originally posted by Still_too_soon:

Originally posted by thl408:

Good stuff jonnydel. The film wasn't up last night when I checked and I'm busy at work today. Won't get to it until tonight, but I'm very curious about how RR fared in coverage on the TD, the times Hoyer couldn't pull the trigger on some of the dropbacks where I felt he had time, and what type of plays Kyle drew up to try and beat SEA's pass coverage on the failed 3rd downs.

About Hyde, I'm noticing him have more success on run plays between the tackles (inside zone concepts). On paper it seems to fit the OL skillset (Tomlinson, Fusco, Brown) considering they are more on the 'mauler' side than the 'agile' side. Agree with Kilgore being bad. He gets pushed into the backfield on too many run plays.

One question. Why do you think Saleh is playing his CBs as the field CB (RR) and the boundary CB (DJ)? In both the exhibition games where both CBs played (DJ/RR), DJ was the field CB and RR was the boundary. In both regular season games, Saleh flipped it (DJ is boundary).

So far I've watched one play from the list of plays I am interested in, the 49ers first red zone appearance where Hoyer was sacked on 3rd down. I thought Kyle drew up a nice play to get the crossing route open right into the area that the safety rotated down from (to Hook zone), but Hoyer didn't stay with it and missed a potential TD pass.

Hey, THL and Jonny, I've got a couple of questions about the bold part above. So, I have noticed that there has been maybe a bit heavier usage of inside vs outside zone so far. And as you said, more success on the inside zone. I'm just curious what you guys have seen so far with the execution on the outside zone, both with the linemen and the backs. Is the execution poor? Is the usage lower than you would have expected based on what you had seen in Cleveland and Atlanta? While Hyde has a history of success on the inside zone, I'm just curious because we are in a rebuild, and scheme is going to trump talent to some degree. I wonder if guys like Hyde and Brown while being solid players might find themselves hitting free agency or the trade market because they want to run more outside zone than these guys can do.

I'm not personally trying to say that they can't or anything. I just don't know, and you guys seem like a good resource to ask.

Thanks

Well, it's about what I expected. There was a lot on inside vs outside zone talked about and when I watched shanny I didn't as much see that as I saw classic stretch zone at the bubble(the gap along the defensive line). When he was in atl they ran a lot of 3 wr sets so it created wider alignments for d-limeman and they also would unbalance TE's. With us, we use balanced sets more and a FB, so the bubble isn't as outside as it was for atl last year. I'm seeing the same run game, just those runs are dictated by favorable matchups.

Originally posted by TheSixthRing:

What's funny about a guy looking to get past a double team?

...b/c he's got his eyes on Wilson and looks like a keystone cop trying to catch him?

Nothing on his play personally but just a reality of trying to defend Barry Sanders the QB.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by thl408:
AA is a 6'8 lumbering ogre. RW can probably run away from AA inside a phonebooth.

To me this is lane responsibility or lack of. I was taught and passed on to the kids I coached that if you are on the left and you get through you always attack the left side of the qb that way you should have help coming from the right and corral the qb. Of course if you are rushing from the right it is the opposite. As soon as he broke through he should have worked back to the left. Of course most qbs would have been sacked willow is just too damn slippery.

Wilson has eyes in the back of his head. Watch it again and you can already see Wilson moving away from Elvis who he can't even see. I hate that hobbit! He's like the Barry Sanders of QB's...nice stop on a dime and change directions instantly.

Dude is uncanny at that shisnet!!! He has unreal periphial vision. And sets alot of moves up by looking one direction while all along knowing he is going the other direction. I keep waiting for someone he doesn't see destroy him!!

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by thl408:

AA is a 6'8 lumbering ogre. RW can probably run away from AA inside a phonebooth.

To me this is lane responsibility or lack of. I was taught and passed on to the kids I coached that if you are on the left and you get through you always attack the left side of the qb that way you should have help coming from the right and corral the qb. Of course if you are rushing from the right it is the opposite. As soon as he broke through he should have worked back to the left. Of course most qbs would have been sacked willow is just too damn slippery.

AA after the initial move heads to where wilson is looking to throw. Maybe he thought he could bat the ball down. Basically undisciplined.

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Dude is uncanny at that shisnet!!! He has unreal periphial vision. And sets alot of moves up by looking one direction while all along knowing he is going the other direction. I keep waiting for someone he doesn't see destroy him!!

Well said!

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, it's about what I expected. There was a lot on inside vs outside zone talked about and when I watched shanny I didn't as much see that as I saw classic stretch zone at the bubble(the gap along the defensive line). When he was in atl they ran a lot of 3 wr sets so it created wider alignments for d-limeman and they also would unbalance TE's. With us, we use balanced sets more and a FB, so the bubble isn't as outside as it was for atl last year. I'm seeing the same run game, just those runs are dictated by favorable matchups.

Thank you. I've been lurking in these all-22 threads for like three or four years, and just decided to get in and actually use the site. You guys are great, btw. I legitimately look forward to these threads every week of the season. People would probably pay you two to do this stuff, if you ever wanted to be a part of the high flying, low paid, always scared to make the rent world of sports journalism.

As to what you are saying. I guess this is just going to be one of the things that's going to be an unknown. Kyle is good at scheming around his talent. But while everyone kind of assumes that the thing he's trying to replicate is what he had in Atlanta, given how successful that offense was, maybe that's not what he wants. This is his first shot where he has actual control over the roster. It will be interesting to see what kind of talent he decides to roll with over the years, and how that all effects the scheme.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by thl408:
AA is a 6'8 lumbering ogre. RW can probably run away from AA inside a phonebooth.

To me this is lane responsibility or lack of. I was taught and passed on to the kids I coached that if you are on the left and you get through you always attack the left side of the qb that way you should have help coming from the right and corral the qb. Of course if you are rushing from the right it is the opposite. As soon as he broke through he should have worked back to the left. Of course most qbs would have been sacked willow is just too damn slippery.

AA after the initial move heads to where wilson is looking to throw. Maybe he thought he could bat the ball down. Basically undisciplined.

Disciplined is a good description, you got to do your assignment knowing your teammate is doing his. Heres to hoping more playing time cements the discipline nescisary to take this D to the next level.

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by thl408:
AA is a 6'8 lumbering ogre. RW can probably run away from AA inside a phonebooth.

To me this is lane responsibility or lack of. I was taught and passed on to the kids I coached that if you are on the left and you get through you always attack the left side of the qb that way you should have help coming from the right and corral the qb. Of course if you are rushing from the right it is the opposite. As soon as he broke through he should have worked back to the left. Of course most qbs would have been sacked willow is just too damn slippery.

Wilson has eyes in the back of his head. Watch it again and you can already see Wilson moving away from Elvis who he can't even see. I hate that hobbit! He's like the Barry Sanders of QB's...nice stop on a dime and change directions instantly.

Dude is uncanny at that shisnet!!! He has unreal periphial vision. And sets alot of moves up by looking one direction while all along knowing he is going the other direction. I keep waiting for someone he doesn't see destroy him!!

great play by wilson, AA and ED met where RW once was. Block mythbusted

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by thl408:

AA is a 6'8 lumbering ogre. RW can probably run away from AA inside a phonebooth.

To me this is lane responsibility or lack of. I was taught and passed on to the kids I coached that if you are on the left and you get through you always attack the left side of the qb that way you should have help coming from the right and corral the qb. Of course if you are rushing from the right it is the opposite. As soon as he broke through he should have worked back to the left. Of course most qbs would have been sacked willow is just too damn slippery.

AA after the initial move heads to where wilson is looking to throw. Maybe he thought he could bat the ball down. Basically undisciplined.

Disciplined is a good description, you got to do your assignment knowing your teammate is doing his. Heres to hoping more playing time cements the discipline nescisary to take this D to the next level.

Yup if he stays in his gap, they sandwich his ass like it was designed.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by thl408:
AA is a 6'8 lumbering ogre. RW can probably run away from AA inside a phonebooth.

To me this is lane responsibility or lack of. I was taught and passed on to the kids I coached that if you are on the left and you get through you always attack the left side of the qb that way you should have help coming from the right and corral the qb. Of course if you are rushing from the right it is the opposite. As soon as he broke through he should have worked back to the left. Of course most qbs would have been sacked willow is just too damn slippery.

AA after the initial move heads to where wilson is looking to throw. Maybe he thought he could bat the ball down. Basically undisciplined.

Disciplined is a good description, you got to do your assignment knowing your teammate is doing his. Heres to hoping more playing time cements the discipline nescisary to take this D to the next level.

Yup if he stays in his gap, they sandwich his ass like it was designed.

if he stays in his gap he stays blocked

Originally posted by jonnydel:

I use a custom off shanny's as a base. I like running a lot of 2 TE sets or using s split shotgun with a FB in the backfield and TE in the slot. Gives me a lot of options for run and pass. If they cover 3 or single safety there's a bunch of options and if they go 2 deep I can run it.

But, it all depends on how my opponent plays. If have stuff for a lot of things that I know. But, I do a lot of vertical stretching, drives, shall cross, curl/flat, mesh, dagger. Then on d i run a lotnof buzz match and control the WILL how he should play and then throw in variations of sky and cover 6. Occasionally cloud if I'm sensing a shallow crosser to that side and want to negate it.

Formation wise, I'm a compression set junkie. I'm a huge motion guy and in true bill walsh fashion I got 95 catches with my HB and 60 with my fullback in my last season. I run probably 60% of my plays from 21 personnel(I know that doesn't fit current football, but it's a video game dammit ). I'm a franchise guy so every year I just try to recreate the 80s and 90s Niners.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by thl408:

AA is a 6'8 lumbering ogre. RW can probably run away from AA inside a phonebooth.

To me this is lane responsibility or lack of. I was taught and passed on to the kids I coached that if you are on the left and you get through you always attack the left side of the qb that way you should have help coming from the right and corral the qb. Of course if you are rushing from the right it is the opposite. As soon as he broke through he should have worked back to the left. Of course most qbs would have been sacked willow is just too damn slippery.

Wilson has eyes in the back of his head. Watch it again and you can already see Wilson moving away from Elvis who he can't even see. I hate that hobbit! He's like the Barry Sanders of QB's...nice stop on a dime and change directions instantly. And how the hell does he even do that while keeping his eyes downfield, throws across his body left while he's getting sacked. Just insane.

Good thing to note is no way a quarterback named Palmer manning bortles golf luck cousins gets out of that mess alive lol !!!