Coaches Film Analysis: 2017 Season

Originally posted by swaccmac1:

Good thing to note is no way a quarterback named Palmer manning bortles golf luck cousins gets out of that mess alive lol !!!

Seriously!

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by thl408:

AA is a 6'8 lumbering ogre. RW can probably run away from AA inside a phonebooth.

To me this is lane responsibility or lack of. I was taught and passed on to the kids I coached that if you are on the left and you get through you always attack the left side of the qb that way you should have help coming from the right and corral the qb. Of course if you are rushing from the right it is the opposite. As soon as he broke through he should have worked back to the left. Of course most qbs would have been sacked willow is just too damn slippery.

You're correct. AA should have worked his way back left/center.

Originally posted by Still_too_soon:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Well, it's about what I expected. There was a lot on inside vs outside zone talked about and when I watched shanny I didn't as much see that as I saw classic stretch zone at the bubble(the gap along the defensive line). When he was in atl they ran a lot of 3 wr sets so it created wider alignments for d-limeman and they also would unbalance TE's. With us, we use balanced sets more and a FB, so the bubble isn't as outside as it was for atl last year. I'm seeing the same run game, just those runs are dictated by favorable matchups.

Thank you. I've been lurking in these all-22 threads for like three or four years, and just decided to get in and actually use the site. You guys are great, btw. I legitimately look forward to these threads every week of the season. People would probably pay you two to do this stuff, if you ever wanted to be a part of the high flying, low paid, always scared to make the rent world of sports journalism.

As to what you are saying. I guess this is just going to be one of the things that's going to be an unknown. Kyle is good at scheming around his talent. But while everyone kind of assumes that the thing he's trying to replicate is what he had in Atlanta, given how successful that offense was, maybe that's not what he wants. This is his first shot where he has actual control over the roster. It will be interesting to see what kind of talent he decides to roll with over the years, and how that all effects the scheme.

Well put!

jonnydel, thl - In SEA's last possession to close out the game, they seemed to have their way on the ground. Was the D just tired/sloppy or was SEA doing something different?

Originally posted by zonkers:

jonnydel, thl - In SEA's last possession to close out the game, they seemed to have their way on the ground. Was the D just tired/sloppy or was SEA doing something different?

I think it was all of the above. Plus bow got blocked on the back on one at. I'm looming to cover that tomorrow. It was really 2 big runs that did us in.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by northoakland510:

Man was waiting for this thread to start.

This is the best thread in all of the 49er nation. I doubt if any other website has this detailed analysis and commentary. Kudos to Mr. Del and Thl.

Absolutely!! Great job on the awesome work you guys do here!!

My goodness Hoyer was terrible in this game. Late on throws, throwing behind WRs (at least twice), that terrible INT. The longest completion in this game was 14 yards on a pop pass to Kittles. The 49ers were 2-12 on 3rd downs, and one of the two conversions was on a 3rd & 12 'we give up' Hyde draw play that ended up going for +27.

Below are the distances to go on the 3rd downs. Six were considered 3rd & long (3rd & 7+).
* = shown in cut up

3rd & 1 (Hyde stuffed)
3rd & 8 (post #23, pass thrown behind Taylor)
3rd & 15 (intentional grounding made it 3rd & long)
3rd & 6 (post #32)
3rd & 12 (Hyde draw play, converted)
3rd & 1 (post #49)
3rd & 2 (Goodwin catch , coverted)
3rd & 6 (offensive PI)
3rd & 15 (sacked for -6 on 2nd down)
3rd & 16 (Kilgore hold set up 3rd and long)
3rd & 6 (Sherman holding on Garcon not called)
3rd & 9 (Celek slant, tackled short)

Originally posted by thl408:
My goodness Hoyer was terrible in this game. Late on throws, throwing behind WRs (at least twice), that terrible INT. The longest completion in this game was 14 yards on a pop pass to Kittles. The 49ers were 2-12 on 3rd downs, and one of the two conversions was on a 3rd & 12 'we give up' Hyde draw play that ended up going for +27.

Below are the distances to go on the 3rd downs. Six were considered 3rd & long (3rd & 7+).
* = shown in cut up

3rd & 1 (Hyde stuffed)
3rd & 8 (post #23, pass thrown behind Taylor)
3rd & 15 (intentional grounding made it 3rd & long)
3rd & 6 (post #32)
3rd & 12 (Hyde draw play, converted)
3rd & 1 (post #49)
3rd & 2 (Goodwin catch , coverted)
3rd & 6 (offensive PI)
3rd & 15 (sacked for -6 on 2nd down)
3rd & 16 (Kilgore hold set up 3rd and long)
3rd & 6 (Sherman holding on Garcon not called)
3rd & 9 (Celek slant, tackled short)

Why isn't there a "shoot yourself in the foot" emoji

First offensive play for the 49ers, wanted to show Trent Brown succeed on a reach block. Something I had doubts about him being able to do on outside zone. Reach block is when the blocker tries to hook the defender to the inside. This is usually done on runs where the aiming point is the edge.
#72 is Bennett lined up at 5tech, just off Brown's outside shoulder.


A player motions across the formation and Bennett shifts to a 4i technique - Browns inside shoulder. This will give Brown a better angle to execute his reach block.


Sealed to the inside.


Just typical +4 gain, but wanted to give Brown his props.

jonnydel showed a good number of the failed 3rd down attempts that were convert-able. There are two more I wanted to show. First is a 3rd & 1 where Hyde got stuffed. Gotta convert on these. Time of possession was extremely lopsided at 23 to 37 minutes in favor of SEA, offensive plays ran were 48 to 79. How the 49ers had a lead in the middle of the 4Q is semi amazing.
Inside zone vs Over front
Fusco and Brown will combo block the 3tech. Blue is KJ Wright


Both Fusco and Brown combo block the 3t, but instead of one of them peeling off to move to the second level, they both will stick to their combo block. Can't tell which OL should peel off.


Kilgore loses his block, Wright is unblocked, Garcon doesn't have a good angle on his block. Three defenders to meet Hyde.


Failed conversion.

SEA played a lot of man coverage on 3rd downs and Kyle liked to use a pick play to free up a WR. On this successful 3rd down conversion, the pick worked.

Kittles motions across and Kam follows him - possible man coverage, look for the pick/rub play. Taylor will run the pick for Goodwin to come underneath on the slant.


Goodwin versus Sherman. Taylor with the pick.


Easy conversion.

There was a Hyde pass interference call on a 3rd & 6. The pass was incomplete so the penalty was declined, but it came on a similar pick to the play above (Goodwin catch). Sherman at the bottom of the screen will get picked and draws the offensive PI. The pick worked as it freed up Garcon on the slant. Worked too well.

Originally posted by thl408:

There was a Hyde pass interference call on a 3rd & 6. The pass was incomplete so the penalty was declined, but it came on a similar pick to the play above (Goodwin catch). Sherman at the bottom of the screen will get picked and draws the offensive PI. The pick worked as it freed up Garcon on the slant. Worked too well.

Just needs to do enough not to thoroughly bump him. Be prepared to get bumped into even.

At some point in the 2nd half, Kittles left the game (hip). This is the 3rd down where I'm sure many of us were "wth kind of playcall was that?". This was a 3rd & 9 and after failing to convert, the 49ers never got the ball back.
Same idea - pick play versus man coverage.


Hyde sets the pick for Celek to come underneath.


Maybe Kittles can make this play work, but nothing about Celek suggests he can RAC for the first down. So why have this throw designed for Celek?

Originally posted by thl408:

At some point in the 2nd half, Kittles left the game (hip). This is the 3rd down where I'm sure many of us were "wth kind of playcall was that?". This was a 3rd & 9 and after failing to convert, the 49ers never got the ball back.
Same idea - pick play versus man coverage.


Hyde sets the pick for Celek to come underneath.


Maybe Kittles can make this play work, but nothing about Celek suggests he can RAC for the first down. So why have this throw designed for Celek?

Maybe thought they were gonna play Celek off or the CB was gonna drop back in zone/follow hyde?