Coaches Film Analysis: 2017 Season

Originally posted by NCommand:
TBF, when he has been hit, he's been absolutely hammered. I'm genuinely surprised he's not hurt. We can only dream of hitting a QB that hard.

That said, with his knowledge of the offense, he should be the most confident out there and that clearly is not the case. And when your QB isn't confident, it's over.

Knowledge and instinct are different. You can *know* what to do, but the reaction time is slow compared to instinctively *doing* it. It takes a while for the QB and the WR to develop that kind of quick instinctive reaction. The QB has to throw before the WR is open in the WCO and that requires tremendous instincts - knowledge isn't enough. It will take more reps, more film study, more practice and better O Line protections and the QB developing those relationships with his O Line and his pass receivers to play faster. If you don't play fast against Seadderall, that defense will eat you up. The only way to play faster is to develop that chemistry, confidence, and instincts with all 11 players on offense - unfortunately that takes a bunch of time.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Carradine got held twice, from the endzone you could see the RT hold him before the Guard did, lol. He wraps his arm around his back and grabs the back of his jersey, you'll see it tug up when that happens.

The officials can pretty much call a hold on every play. Just my opinion. I think the key to this game was our offense scoring more points than their offense. Not saying the defense was not being held, or saying that the officials didn't screw up. But saying that our offense was the cause of the loss, and not the defense or really the officials. Hoyer definitely has to step up, and I think he can, once he has an O Line he had confidence in - in giving him time to see the whole field, not just the quick 3 step drop routes. Again, thanks for the Awesome Gifs and anaylysis JD.

Then the refs should call it on every play. again and again and again until the o-liners learned the lesson.

Yeah, well they'll call a hold on Kilgore and Fusco on every play then. I think the refs go through what they call an evaluation process over the offseason as to what to call, and I think they can only call blatantly clear holding. In a close game like this, the ref calls will get a lot of attention, and I think (unless they are being paid by the mob) won't make game changing calls at the end of a close game. (Like the Crabtree PI non-calls in the Harb-brothers Bowl)

Sorry but these two examples were blatantly clear.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Practice Squadders, Willaims and Flynn are my candidates to replace Kilgore. If Magnuson can replace Fusco. Kilgore was a practice squadder a few years ago, and I think these guys can be much better than Kilgore. The problem with replacing Kilgore is that Kilgore makes all the line protection calls. I'd rather have Laken move to center and either Magnuson or one of our practice Squadders replace Laken or Fusco at Guard. That way Laken can make the line protection calls, because I think he's probably more intelligent than Kilgore. The O Line was decent in the Seadderall game, and I take that game (even though we lost) as a victory because everybody had us losing by two touchdowns. I am so looking forward to seeing what ShanaLynch is going to come up with as O Line solutions this next offseason cycle as they now have a bit more time to prepare, vs last year when they only had from February on to prepare for the last offseason cycle.

Haven't seen Flynn play, Giedi, so have to wait on that. Williams is an OT, but did i read somewhere he played OG also? Both good ideas but those two guys are still pretty far out to be ready anytime soon. Magnus OTOH, looked ready in PS, TC...but i don't know if that was against 2s, 3s and 4s or 1s. If it was the latter, then that may be what is keeping kyle from starting him. Getting Laken and then getting him serviceable was a feat in and of itself. Magnus may be a bit harder. Who knew OGs and C would be as hard to get as OTs? I suppose that is a seasonal thing, but wow it was hard this year. If we somehow pulled off Magnus and Flynn boht working out this yr, despite the W/L, the yr would be success.

Originally posted by communist:

Then the refs should call it on every play. again and again and again until the o-liners learned the lesson.

Yup...and those weren't little holds. They held Tank for 3+ seconds and ripped AA right in plain view at a critical time of the game. One was on 3rd down. That doesn't mean we didn't have our chances but that's another topic.

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Carradine got held twice, from the endzone you could see the RT hold him before the Guard did, lol. He wraps his arm around his back and grabs the back of his jersey, you'll see it tug up when that happens.

The officials can pretty much call a hold on every play. Just my opinion. I think the key to this game was our offense scoring more points than their offense. Not saying the defense was not being held, or saying that the officials didn't screw up. But saying that our offense was the cause of the loss, and not the defense or really the officials. Hoyer definitely has to step up, and I think he can, once he has an O Line he had confidence in - in giving him time to see the whole field, not just the quick 3 step drop routes. Again, thanks for the Awesome Gifs and anaylysis JD.

Then the refs should call it on every play. again and again and again until the o-liners learned the lesson.

Yeah, well they'll call a hold on Kilgore and Fusco on every play then. I think the refs go through what they call an evaluation process over the offseason as to what to call, and I think they can only call blatantly clear holding. In a close game like this, the ref calls will get a lot of attention, and I think (unless they are being paid by the mob) won't make game changing calls at the end of a close game. (Like the Crabtree PI non-calls in the Harb-brothers Bowl)

Sorry but these two examples were blatantly clear.

Ironically, Kilgore was called on the ensuing drive and it killed us. Note the sideline ref directly across from Tank too.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Hoyer literally stares at TWO wide open receivers after Seattle's defenders FALL DOWN. Can't convert this third down. pic.twitter.com/WasnHQPf9x

— Oscar Aparicio (@BetterRivals) September 20, 2017

The offensive woes are not really on Shanahan. Still scheming guys wide open. Goodwin separates at the top of route vs Sherman. Then Hoyer pic.twitter.com/vLPiJjCyyY

— Oscar Aparicio (@BetterRivals) September 20, 2017

Over route is open. Has to make the throw with anticipation. Better QBs make this throw. But we've got Hoyer. He holds, then gets sacked. pic.twitter.com/QZvJR517y0

— Oscar Aparicio (@BetterRivals) September 20, 2017

Yup...this is a pure mental block/freeze. Nothing physical about it.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

TBF, when he has been hit, he's been absolutely hammered. I'm genuinely surprised he's not hurt. We can only dream of hitting a QB that hard.

That said, with his knowledge of the offense, he should be the most confident out there and that clearly is not the case. And when your QB isn't confident, it's over.

Knowledge and instinct are different. You can *know* what to do, but the reaction time is slow compared to instinctively *doing* it. It takes a while for the QB and the WR to develop that kind of quick instinctive reaction. The QB has to throw before the WR is open in the WCO and that requires tremendous instincts - knowledge isn't enough. It will take more reps, more film study, more practice and better O Line protections and the QB developing those relationships with his O Line and his pass receivers to play faster. If you don't play fast against Seadderall, that defense will eat you up. The only way to play faster is to develop that chemistry, confidence, and instincts with all 11 players on offense - unfortunately that takes a bunch of time.

This is a really good point.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Hoyer literally stares at TWO wide open receivers after Seattle's defenders FALL DOWN. Can't convert this third down. pic.twitter.com/WasnHQPf9x

— Oscar Aparicio (@BetterRivals) September 20, 2017

The offensive woes are not really on Shanahan. Still scheming guys wide open. Goodwin separates at the top of route vs Sherman. Then Hoyer pic.twitter.com/vLPiJjCyyY

— Oscar Aparicio (@BetterRivals) September 20, 2017

Over route is open. Has to make the throw with anticipation. Better QBs make this throw. But we've got Hoyer. He holds, then gets sacked. pic.twitter.com/QZvJR517y0

— Oscar Aparicio (@BetterRivals) September 20, 2017

That's bad strategy on Kyle's part for telling him not to hit wide open WRs......as Cohn's says all you need is all verts and stick n Nod.....

Originally posted by jonnydel:
So, here's our first 3rd down of the game. It's 3rd and 8 but we had a chance, we just didn't take advantage.



We're going to motion Kittle across the formation and then run a levels/dagger concept. Trent Taylor will be the underneath route. Basically, while this is a concept it's pretty much a designed play to Taylor. They're looking to use Kittle to clear out the hook/curl zone and open up space for Taylor underneath.

After motioning Kittle across you see Seattle is in a zone look, but it's the corners reveal it's man-coverage with a lurk.



Kittle does a good job picking off Taylor's man and clearing the space. Hoyer should be letting it rip right here. He's a little late with the ball.



Even with the ball a little late, Taylor needs to stick his foot in the ground and head up field. This isn't college anymore, you're not going to dance around these guys. Get up field, son. Instead, he tries to juke Wagner.

Instead of sticking his foot and trying to drive for a 1st, he dances around and gives the D time to close.

He's stopped 2 yards short. Hoyer needs to get the ball out just a fraction sooner and Taylor needs to not dance around, put that foot in the ground and get vertical, kid! He's young and hopefully will learn.

Hey jd, you mentioned how Taylor should have headed upfield after the catch. This is one of the plays I felt Hoyer had poor ball placement. After the pick/rub, Taylor comes underneath for the quick slant. Instead of leading Taylor upfield, Hoyer throws it behind Taylor, forcing Taylor to pivot his body around, ruining any chance for RAC. Not a for sure conversion with that lurker nearby, but Hoyer's bad throw gave it zero chance.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Hoyer literally stares at TWO wide open receivers after Seattle's defenders FALL DOWN. Can't convert this third down. pic.twitter.com/WasnHQPf9x

— Oscar Aparicio (@BetterRivals) September 20, 2017

The offensive woes are not really on Shanahan. Still scheming guys wide open. Goodwin separates at the top of route vs Sherman. Then Hoyer pic.twitter.com/vLPiJjCyyY

— Oscar Aparicio (@BetterRivals) September 20, 2017

Over route is open. Has to make the throw with anticipation. Better QBs make this throw. But we've got Hoyer. He holds, then gets sacked. pic.twitter.com/QZvJR517y0

— Oscar Aparicio (@BetterRivals) September 20, 2017

Yeah, we covered these, didn't we?

Originally posted by thl408:

Hey jd, you mentioned how Taylor should have headed upfield after the catch. This is one of the plays I felt Hoyer had poor ball placement. After the pick/rub, Taylor comes underneath for the quick slant. Instead of leading Taylor upfield, Hoyer throws it behind Taylor, forcing Taylor to pivot his body around, ruining any chance for RAC. Not a for sure conversion with that lurker nearby, but Hoyer's bad throw gave it zero chance.

That's a true staple of a WCO QB...being able to lead the receiver with the throw. This is a perfect illustration of that.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by jreff22:

How much separation are the WR's getting? Are they breaking off routes to come back to Hoyer?

the wide outs can not catch a ball., the o line is awful but in no way shape or form am i deflecting blame. hoyer is garbage, when i think to him talking about how much fun he was having. and how i was told his best years were when he was with kyle. i bought into it. sadly., once again and thought he would be good for us. i think the crap he does not can not be fixed no matter who the coach is. but we are stuck cuz the rookie is no answer. lovely

I will respectfully disagree about the O-line. I felt they played more than well enough to win the game. Run blocking was great and Hoyer routinely had clean pockets. You can't ask for more than that against Seattle. This was the same defensive line that makes a lot of lines look like trash.

This is the other glaring missed throw by Hoyer. This is a 2nd & 1, near the end of the 1st half. Garcon probably would have been blasted by the zone defenders watching the drag, but the chains would have moved after the short catch. The next play was post #49 (pass to TTaylor broken up by LB). Another red zone field goal.
vs Cover3 mable
Garcon looks back at Hoyer to say something.


Thrown behind Garcon. Maybe Hoyer was protecting Garcon by not leading him into zone defenders, but still an uncatchable ball.

Originally posted by thl408:
This is the other glaring missed throw by Hoyer. This is a 2nd & 1, near the end of the 1st half. Garcon probably would have been blasted by the zone defenders watching the drag, but the chains would have moved after the short catch. The next play was post #49 (pass to TTaylor broken up by LB). Another red zone field goal.
vs Cover3 mable
Garcon looks back at Hoyer to say something.


Thrown behind Garcon. Maybe Hoyer was protecting Garcon by not leading him into zone defenders, but still an uncatchable ball.

PG should have just stopped in the hole there