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Coaches Film Analysis: 2017 Season

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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
People love bring up the Cards as if they own Kap...like how the Seahawks have done a good job shutting Kap and Harbs down.

Kap career stats vs the Cards.

7 games.... 10TDs 5Ints (4coming from one game) Four 100+ QB rated games.

If you take out that one game, 10TDs and 1int in his career vs the Cards.

Who cares what Kap did? Hes no longer a member of the team or the NFL.

Tell your buttsies that.. they keep bringing him up on their own.

edit- anyway moving on... this thread is about film.
[ Edited by Afrikan on Sep 20, 2017 at 4:27 PM ]
There was a play where Hoyer missed Goodwin (I think) on the right end of the endzone. Goodwin was open, but it was a bad pass from what I remember.

Just trying to be sure because I haven't rewatched the game.
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Originally posted by Afrikan:
There was a play where Hoyer missed Goodwin (I think) on the right end of the endzone. Goodwin was open, but it was a bad pass from what I remember.

Just trying to be sure because I haven't rewatched the game.
I don't remember Hoyer throwing into the endzone in this game.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
There was a play where Hoyer missed Goodwin (I think) on the right end of the endzone. Goodwin was open, but it was a bad pass from what I remember.

Just trying to be sure because I haven't rewatched the game.
I don't remember Hoyer throwing into the endzone in this game.

It was that play he was called for intentional grounding. He threw it into the end zone back in Santa Clara
wow, i didnt know Laken did so good. If he continues, will we be able to use his fifth year option on his rookie contract? i know he is only on his third year.
[ Edited by JustinNiner on Sep 20, 2017 at 5:07 PM ]
Originally posted by JustinNiner:
wow, i didnt know Laken did so good. If he continues, will we be able to use his fifth year option on his rookie contract? i know he is only on his third year.

As far as I know, yes. Because when a player is traded, it's their contract that is traded, as is and the 5th year option is built in to the contract.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Johnnydel, i was under the impression that we kept hoyer out there so CJ can learn the ZBS, stay healthy, not be subjected to awful OL blocking, not get depressed that nothing works right, yada , yada. But your simple statement kind of made me rethink that along with your terrific gifs. Just in these few examples, dang, he looked AWFUL . Maybe you are right that if he continues like this much longer , we may see CJ, a lot earlier than we had planned, even tho most of us want him to sit most of the yr. He did get spared the panthers and SEA at home .. Maybe that is all the reprieve CJ gets. These gifs tell an ugly, ugly tale.

still, Marquise sure didn't help hoyer out and those were two big, big catches...that weren't . Then Au Jus in game 1, right between the two 4s, an on down the line. The pitch and catch concept doesn't seem to be taking hold. And no TDs in 21 series? Double ouch. And you were right on the OL....they played a lot better than i had thought. Thanks for all your work, JD.

Yeah, I just don't see a point to pushing CJ out there despite how bad Hoyer may play - there's really not much upside to be gained and a lot to lose. Let's look at the total upside, the upside is, he gets game reps, does well and builds a ton of confidence. Even if that happens, how many players have gotten too content with early success? We saw it from RGIII, Cam Newton, Kendall Stewart, Ryan Leaf, a QB that shall not be named because of what it incites here on the zone lol...I'm sure there's a lot more but it's the end of a long day, haha. Anyway, early success can be a detriment to a QB, not always, but can. Then look at guys who sat, learned a WCO, footwork and studied film. Guys like Steve Young, Aaron Rodgers, Kurt Warner and again, I'm sure there's others that I'm forgetting. In the QB position the best thing live game reps are giving you that you can't get from practice is game speed and varying looks from varying players. So, that's helpful. But, there are a number of things QB's can do without ever getting in a real game to get better i.e. footwork(which is huge in a WCO), throwing mechanics, ball security, ball placement, developing touch, studying the playbook over and over and over again.

Then, look at what the risks are - injury, scared of the rush(hello David Carr), reverting to bad habits before the muscle memory of practice is given time to develop, getting used to an NFL schedule. All those things that can scar and belay a QB's development.

All the great risk with little reward for what? A few more wins in a season that's not going anywhere anyway? Even if we put him out there, we're not going to gain a whole ton of information that we wouldn't otherwise have. We'll know he's a young prospect that still needs to grow in a lot of way. What we might know is how much he has to grow but we're still going to have just as big a question mark heading in to next season regardless of how he plays IMO. Just like Dallas has a big question mark about Dak Prescott this year. Just because he did well last season is no guarantee that he'll be successful this season. By the end or middle of next season is when we'll start to have a better idea of who CJ is, if he gets game reps. Which, how he gets game reps depends on a lot of factors and how well Shanny feels about him from their time together in practice and film room seeing how quickly he picks things up and how quickly he seems ready.

Personally, while I don't enjoy seeing Hoyer suck donkey chode, I'm not worried about it. I truly don't believe he's impeding any roster development right now.
So after seeing the ALL22 what's everyone's verdict on Kyles play calling? Lol cuz game day thread was ready to cement the guy 6 feet under haha.
Originally posted by 49ersOnMINE:
So after seeing the ALL22 what's everyone's verdict on Kyles play calling? Lol cuz game day thread was ready to cement the guy 6 feet under haha.

Well, there is a reason you are always told not to make an emotional decision.
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Originally posted by theninermaniac:
Was hoping we could get a breakdown of Jaq Tartt.

It seemed he was playing the single high safety a lot during the game, and did a pretty good job. He popped Jimmy G on one play, forcing a drop, and seemed to be solid on the back end of the defense. He is really flashing the last two games. Granted, he has made a few mistakes, but overall it looks like he has really progressed.

Any thoughts?
He's been used all over the place. Versus CAR when it was a big Dime look and Jerome was playing FS, Tartt was used to man cover Olsen and did well with that. He's blitzing, used in man coverage, deep safety. I didn't think highly of his ability to play in space, but that INT he had was a nice flash. I think his game has taken an upswing so far. Anxious to see him purely at SS with Reid out a few weeks. If he can play well in that role, it will make Reid's future on the team interesting.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by theninermaniac:
Was hoping we could get a breakdown of Jaq Tartt.

It seemed he was playing the single high safety a lot during the game, and did a pretty good job. He popped Jimmy G on one play, forcing a drop, and seemed to be solid on the back end of the defense. He is really flashing the last two games. Granted, he has made a few mistakes, but overall it looks like he has really progressed.

Any thoughts?
He's been used all over the place. Versus CAR when it was a big Dime look and Jerome was playing FS, Tartt was used to man cover Olsen and did well with that. He's blitzing, used in man coverage, deep safety. I didn't think highly of his ability to play in space, but that INT he had was a nice flash. I think his game has taken an upswing so far. Anxious to see him purely at SS with Reid out a few weeks. If he can play well in that role, it will make Reid's future on the team interesting.

Nice take T-Money. I agree.
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Originally posted by 49ersOnMINE:
So after seeing the ALL22 what's everyone's verdict on Kyles play calling? Lol cuz game day thread was ready to cement the guy 6 feet under haha.

It's nice seeing formations and personnel usage again after Chip. Kyle is calling some plays at the right time to get a route open, but Beadles, Goodwin, or Hoyer have prevented anything big from happening in the passing game. I don't think a coach suddenly loses his ability to call well timed plays. These first two games the 49ers offense was simply out talented by the opposing D so it looks really bad. Let's get some TDs to watch.
I didn't want to leave the game without touching on the biggest run of Hyde's career and the biggest offensive play of the game. I love this play from top to bottom.

I'd talked a lot the past couple months about how I believe Shanny isn't as much an outside vs inside zone guy as much as I see him attack the "bubble". I've highlighted the "bubble" here - it's the gap along the defensive line which isn't covered by a defender. What he'll do is, attack the "bubble" over and over again and then set everything else off of that. It's the basis of the stretch run concept. You attack the 'bubble'(hence 'bubble screen'). When you do this, it makes the read on the RB simple, if the defense slides to cover that gap, you cut it back, if they stay at home, you drive it in to the gap because you'll have the most space in that gap.

Some stretch runs focus on the gap between the DE and CB or S and we'll focus on those as outside zone runs, others do it inside the tackles and we'll call those inside zone runs, some don't care, they just attack where they feel they will be strongest at the point of attack. In ATL, what I saw was that more teams would compress alignments against them to help guard against the middle of the field and so the 'bubble' was usually outside. But, against teams that didn't, he ran inside. I think that's where the stats of a more outside zone dominant run scheme came from.

Anyhoo, too much talky.



Here, we're going to come out in 21 personnel with a twins formation and motion to an offset "I" in Shanny's WCO this formation is called "Near Left zoom". This does a few things. By motioning the FB over it changes the strength of the formation and by putting the receivers in a twins formation vs zone from SEA they're forced to flip their coverage. The SAM backer is now away from the TE and because Chancellor was over the TE, he now switches to the high safety which moves Thomas down into the box.



We're going to run an inside split zone run. The split zone differs from your regular zone in that you aim to block the EMLOS away from the play side, whereas a regular stretch run the EMLOS is usually left unblocked and held by the boot action of a QB after the handoff. I goofed on my play art and meant to show Fusco attacking the DE and Brown going after the SAM. In a stretch run, Brown would go after the DE and Fusco would help combo and then move the the Mike #54. "Juice" then will come across the formation and seal off the EMLOS(#20). The key read for Hyde will be K.J. Wright. In a weakside run, he's responsible for the "C" gap, in a strong side run, he's responsible for the weakside "A" gap - right where the bubble is. This run will give strong side action, but be a weakside run as it's targeted to the weakside "A" gap(the bubble). This will put Wright in a position where he has to make a split second choice, fill the "A" or "C". Whichever he chooses, Hyde chooses the opposite.

Tomlinsen is going to help Staley combo on the DT and then look to move to whichever LB shows his head first into the "A" gap - that could be Wagner, could be Wright, his job is to block the first guy in the "A" gap zone.



From here you see the defense reaction to a strong side run, Kilgore has taken on the DT, Fusco is running at the DE and Brown to the SAM. Wright is left unblocked for now and he's looking to fill the "A" gap - wrong choice, sir.



From this angle, you can see that instead of a QB boot, we fake a reverse handoff to Goodwin, which Chancellor bites on big time.



Here, Wagner has recognized it's a split zone, not a stretch zone, so it's a weakside run and he turns to fill his "A" gap responsibility(strong side B, weakside A) Wright hasn't recognized the play and fills the "A" gap. You see Hyde reading Wright and so he'll cut back to the "C" gap. Tomlinsen and Staley do a great job combo-ing the DT and Laken moves to the A gap.



You see both of SEA's LB's end up in the 'bubble' and Juice is about to kick out the CB as the EMLOS. Chancellor is still thinking he's gonna kill Goodwin on a reverse, lol.



"Juice" lays a perfect kick out/seal block on the EMLOS and because there's no LB to fill the hole as he chose the wrong gap, "FREEDOMMMMMM!!!"



In my best horse racer announcer voice, "annnnd they're off"

and thanks to Thl408 for the great tips on getting some GIF's going!

Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 49ersOnMINE:
So after seeing the ALL22 what's everyone's verdict on Kyles play calling? Lol cuz game day thread was ready to cement the guy 6 feet under haha.

It's nice seeing formations and personnel usage again after Chip. Kyle is calling some plays at the right time to get a route open, but Beadles, Goodwin, or Hoyer have prevented anything big from happening in the passing game. I don't think a coach suddenly loses his ability to call well timed plays. These first two games the 49ers offense was simply out talented by the opposing D so it looks really bad. Let's get some TDs to watch.

Freudian wishful thinking.
I can't remember last time I saw the fullback out of the I as the kick out on a split zone. Kam completely bit on the ghost action.

Tremendous play design by Kyle.
[ Edited by Heroism on Sep 21, 2017 at 11:29 AM ]
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