Coaches Film Analysis: 2017 Season

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Johnnydel, i was under the impression that we kept hoyer out there so CJ can learn the ZBS, stay healthy, not be subjected to awful OL blocking, not get depressed that nothing works right, yada , yada. But your simple statement kind of made me rethink that along with your terrific gifs. Just in these few examples, dang, he looked AWFUL . Maybe you are right that if he continues like this much longer , we may see CJ, a lot earlier than we had planned, even tho most of us want him to sit most of the yr. He did get spared the panthers and SEA at home .. Maybe that is all the reprieve CJ gets. These gifs tell an ugly, ugly tale.

still, Marquise sure didn't help hoyer out and those were two big, big catches...that weren't . Then Au Jus in game 1, right between the two 4s, an on down the line. The pitch and catch concept doesn't seem to be taking hold. And no TDs in 21 series? Double ouch. And you were right on the OL....they played a lot better than i had thought. Thanks for all your work, JD.

Yeah, I just don't see a point to pushing CJ out there despite how bad Hoyer may play - there's really not much upside to be gained and a lot to lose. Let's look at the total upside, the upside is, he gets game reps, does well and builds a ton of confidence. Even if that happens, how many players have gotten too content with early success? We saw it from RGIII, Cam Newton, Kendall Stewart, Ryan Leaf, a QB that shall not be named because of what it incites here on the zone lol...I'm sure there's a lot more but it's the end of a long day, haha. Anyway, early success can be a detriment to a QB, not always, but can. Then look at guys who sat, learned a WCO, footwork and studied film. Guys like Steve Young, Aaron Rodgers, Kurt Warner and again, I'm sure there's others that I'm forgetting. In the QB position the best thing live game reps are giving you that you can't get from practice is game speed and varying looks from varying players. So, that's helpful. But, there are a number of things QB's can do without ever getting in a real game to get better i.e. footwork(which is huge in a WCO), throwing mechanics, ball security, ball placement, developing touch, studying the playbook over and over and over again.

Then, look at what the risks are - injury, scared of the rush(hello David Carr), reverting to bad habits before the muscle memory of practice is given time to develop, getting used to an NFL schedule. All those things that can scar and belay a QB's development.

All the great risk with little reward for what? A few more wins in a season that's not going anywhere anyway? Even if we put him out there, we're not going to gain a whole ton of information that we wouldn't otherwise have. We'll know he's a young prospect that still needs to grow in a lot of way. What we might know is how much he has to grow but we're still going to have just as big a question mark heading in to next season regardless of how he plays IMO. Just like Dallas has a big question mark about Dak Prescott this year. Just because he did well last season is no guarantee that he'll be successful this season. By the end or middle of next season is when we'll start to have a better idea of who CJ is, if he gets game reps. Which, how he gets game reps depends on a lot of factors and how well Shanny feels about him from their time together in practice and film room seeing how quickly he picks things up and how quickly he seems ready.

Personally, while I don't enjoy seeing Hoyer suck donkey chode, I'm not worried about it. I truly don't believe he's impeding any roster development right now.

Great post JD!!!!

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by theninermaniac:

Was hoping we could get a breakdown of Jaq Tartt.

It seemed he was playing the single high safety a lot during the game, and did a pretty good job. He popped Jimmy G on one play, forcing a drop, and seemed to be solid on the back end of the defense. He is really flashing the last two games. Granted, he has made a few mistakes, but overall it looks like he has really progressed.

Any thoughts?

He's been used all over the place. Versus CAR when it was a big Dime look and Jerome was playing FS, Tartt was used to man cover Olsen and did well with that. He's blitzing, used in man coverage, deep safety. I didn't think highly of his ability to play in space, but that INT he had was a nice flash. I think his game has taken an upswing so far. Anxious to see him purely at SS with Reid out a few weeks. If he can play well in that role, it will make Reid's future on the team interesting.

Man that looked like a John Lynch/Ronnie Lott hit!

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by theninermaniac:
Was hoping we could get a breakdown of Jaq Tartt.

It seemed he was playing the single high safety a lot during the game, and did a pretty good job. He popped Jimmy G on one play, forcing a drop, and seemed to be solid on the back end of the defense. He is really flashing the last two games. Granted, he has made a few mistakes, but overall it looks like he has really progressed.

Any thoughts?

He's been used all over the place. Versus CAR when it was a big Dime look and Jerome was playing FS, Tartt was used to man cover Olsen and did well with that. He's blitzing, used in man coverage, deep safety. I didn't think highly of his ability to play in space, but that INT he had was a nice flash. I think his game has taken an upswing so far. Anxious to see him purely at SS with Reid out a few weeks. If he can play well in that role, it will make Reid's future on the team interesting.

Man that looked like a John Lynch/Ronnie Lott hit!

While staying in the current rules. If that's 20 years ago, Graham is out for the game, lol. You see him hold up just a bit before the hit, that's good restraint for the current rules. If he's playing 20 years ago, that's the kind of play that would end up on youtube 20 years later, lol.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I didn't want to leave the game without touching on the biggest run of Hyde's career and the biggest offensive play of the game. I love this play from top to bottom.

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So much dressing for a split zone play. Motion the FB to the backside right before the snap, orbit motion Goodwin, Hyde and Juice both take a counter step to the backside before going playside. All this to put the box defenders in conflict. Props to Kittles on the DE block. This was a good keyframe to see how low he gets on this block - helmet to the ribs.

Re:post 235, on Hydes long run. great analysis JD. It almost looked like man blocking instead of a zone run. When I first saw it, it looked like an off tackle trap play or a counter with #44 doing the trap. It looks like Hyde is picking up the feel of the zone run and using his speed to bait the defense to go the wrong way. I know his power can be as effective as speed in this zone run offense. He may not have the blazing speed, but he can break the tackles on the back end of zone runs, just as effectively as if he had 4.4 speed. I can't wait to see how Breida looks as a replacement for and spelling Hyde against the Rams. It's a long season and I want Hyde as healthy as possible this season. If Hoyer can rely on the ground game his passing will be more productive.

Hot damn, no wonder you wanted to show that. Everybody did his job. What is really impressive is thefreeze frame just about the time Carlos heads for his one lane in the line...right at that point, when you look at all the blocks that had to happen right then....well, they all happened. Man that is a complicated but cool play.

Let's run that one again. Tonite would be fine.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

I didn't want to leave the game without touching on the biggest run of Hyde's career and the biggest offensive play of the game. I love this play from top to bottom.

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So much dressing for a split zone play. Motion the FB to the backside right before the snap, orbit motion Goodwin, Hyde and Juice both take a counter step to the backside before going playside. All this to put the box defenders in conflict. Props to Kittles on the DE block. This was a good keyframe to see how low he gets on this block - helmet to the ribs.

A couple more of this and I can see Goodwin uncovering on a long play-pass, I just hope he catches it this time. If he does its a quick 6 points.

Borrowing one of jonnydel's pic(and using the new markup feature in the latest apple update ) I wanted to show something I'd like to see Kyle do using this particular formation. Note:play is not from Seattle game just chalking up the formation.

This is a follow concept

I think this would be a great way to get Juice involved and is about WCO as it gets.

Green-Texas/angle route
Yellow-Drive/drag
Red-Corner

Originally posted by Niners816:
Borrowing one of jonnydel's pic(and using the new markup feature in the latest apple update ) I wanted to show something I'd like to see Kyle do using this particular formation. Note:play is not from Seattle game just chalking up the formation.

This is a follow concept

I think this would be a great way to get Juice involved and is about WCO as it gets.

Green-Texas/angle route
Yellow-Drive/drag
Red-Corner

That's some John Madden drawing right there

Originally posted by Polkadots:

That's some John Madden drawing right there

BOOM!!!!.....Great football is when football is great!!!!

Cheerleaders need to wear them outfits every week

I figured I'd post this here since the other vs Rams threads are full of people complaining.

Like Kyle, McVay uses a ton of window dressing. It felt like every other play had some kind of deceiving component built in. A lot of ghost motion, jet motion, etc.

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With it being a short week, I think all the formations and presnap dressing, from both teams, really favored the offenses.

Lol