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Coaches Film Analysis: 2017 Season

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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here was, IMO the biggest missed opportunity in the game. It's so crucial because it was in OT, down in the red zone.



Here, we're going to run a trail+china concept. We'll have the two short in routes plus the fade. The idea with the fade is to get a rub on the slot defender and free up T. Taylor. So, we're trying to get it to him in man-coverage. Which the Cards show with their press coverage, P. Peterson is on Garcon and Mathieu is on Taylor.



The cards anticipate this and their players all react to Taylor. This is when Hoyer has to recognize this and realize how the defense is reacting.



Here's the key frame. Hoyer is staring down Taylor, so he's looking that direction, and 3 defenders are on Taylor - that means someone else is open over there, Hoyer!!!

Celek is wide open, he lets this go towards the sideline and it's a walk in TD....



This makes my heart hurt.... Celek even anticipates being led to the sideline as he turns and is looking over his outside shoulder. However, Hoyer moves on to find another receiver....



He ends up finding Hyde for 7 yards. But....it coulda been game over...


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[ Edited by Niners816 on Oct 4, 2017 at 12:08 PM ]
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here was, IMO the biggest missed opportunity in the game.

He ends up finding Hyde for 7 yards. But....it coulda been game over...


F'n Hoyer
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here was, IMO the biggest missed opportunity in the game.

He ends up finding Hyde for 7 yards. But....it coulda been game over...


F'n Hoyer

Hate to say it, but he's the second-worst starting QB in the league right now
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here was, IMO the biggest missed opportunity in the game. It's so crucial because it was in OT, down in the red zone.



Here, we're going to run a trail+china concept. We'll have the two short in routes plus the fade. The idea with the fade is to get a rub on the slot defender and free up T. Taylor. So, we're trying to get it to him in man-coverage. Which the Cards show with their press coverage, P. Peterson is on Garcon and Mathieu is on Taylor.



The cards anticipate this and their players all react to Taylor. This is when Hoyer has to recognize this and realize how the defense is reacting.



Here's the key frame. Hoyer is staring down Taylor, so he's looking that direction, and 3 defenders are on Taylor - that means someone else is open over there, Hoyer!!!

Celek is wide open, he lets this go towards the sideline and it's a walk in TD....



This makes my heart hurt.... Celek even anticipates being led to the sideline as he turns and is looking over his outside shoulder. However, Hoyer moves on to find another receiver....



He ends up finding Hyde for 7 yards. But....it coulda been game over...

Lack of confidence in his TEs?
My one question. Upon seeing the 3 guys jump it, did he think zone and the corner had the jump on the pylon as he bailed deep?
Nothing worse than a scared QB. Shelve his ass. Can't have a QB too scared to throw the ball.
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Originally posted by jdt84_2:
My one question. Upon seeing the 3 guys jump it, did he think zone and the corner had the jump on the pylon as he bailed deep?
Right. It's a vertical stretch on the sideline defender (Smash concept), IF it's zone coverage, but it's not. Here's a diagram to add to what jonnydel posted. If Hoyer thought it was zone, the read is still high-low (Celek is first).


If it's Cover1, which it is, the first read is still Celek. I thought Celek ran his route a bit odd. He looked like he was running a fade up the seam, then turned to the Corner late. Either way, Hoyer could have led him with a throw away from the Cover1 safety with plenty of room to work towards the sideline. Point is, man or zone, the first read is Celek. Hoyer looked and was still gun shy despite the blown coverage from 2 CBs following Trent Taylor.
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Originally posted by Niners816:
Here's Mike Shanahan 2004 version of this concept.


Only difference being we motioned the Vert back towards the Levels/Trail. I wonder if Kyle has an "alert" on his verts like pop did? I'm betting he does.
I don't think it's Levels. Levels is a 2 route vertical stretch - notice the 2 In routes run at different depths.

In the 49er play, the two In routes are ran at the same depth for a horizontal stretch. Then add in the Corner route for a vertical stretch (Smash).
Originally posted by northoakland510:
Originally posted by thl408:
I thought maybe his view was blocked, but from the end zone camera the pocket looked great. He just flat out missed Celek.

Man it doesn't get any cleaner than that. I thought he is supposed to know this playbook? He should be able to anticipate the routes better.

That's the thing so discouraging. He and Robinson know this offense better than anyone and neither were on the same page.

...just odd.
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by thl408:
Looks like you'll be scoring more than the 49ers. What you think of how ARI got their RBs involved in the short passing game? ARI had zero running game as the run defense continues to shine. With missing starters on their OL and no David Johnson, no surprise they couldn't run. But their RBs combined got 12 catches for 117 yards. Most of the RB catches seemed determined, as in they weren't checkdowns, they were actually the go-to target on the play.

A weakness of this Cover3 is the short throws to the RBs, but the 49ers called Cover2 and Tampa2 as well in this game and the LBs were still victimized with short throws to the RB and were not being able to rally in time to keep it a minimal gain. On the last ARI drive, they got a couple nice catches from Ellington, each totaling 11 yards. The 49er LBs were so worried about the intermediate routes that they sagged hard and the short pass to the RB coming out of the backfield was easy pickings for Palmer.

We are now getting beat like cover 3 teams get beat. Reminds me of what NE did to Seattle in that SB.

That was my exact thought and you know the Cards know how to beat this defense.

I also saw a theme in the passing game that they attacked that intermediate route between the outside CB and S. All day that seam was open.

Did you notice that? If so, any thoughts?
Our lack of a dedicated offensive coordinator is hurting the offense. Shanahan is too busy with coaching the whole team and doing all of the other things a head coach is responsible for. He can't dedicate enough time to teach the players the offense, so they don't really know what to do. Yea, Hoyer has played in the offense before, but that was years ago.

It really explains all of the confusion we've seen between Hoyer and the receivers and people lining up incorrectly.
[ Edited by AlexCat49er on Oct 4, 2017 at 12:03 PM ]
Originally posted by thl408:
I don't think it's Levels. Levels is a 2 route vertical stretch - notice the 2 In routes run at different depths.

In the 49er play, the two In routes are ran at the same depth for a horizontal stretch. Then add in the Corner route for a vertical stretch (Smash).

Youre right I seen it wrong.....I was thinking it was levels with a verts from motion. It's not levels because they are on the yard line. I'm gonna take it down so I don't confuse people.
Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
Our lack of a dedicated offensive coordinator is hurting the offense. Shanahan is too busy with coaching the whole team and doing all of the other things a head coach is responsible for. He can't dedicate enough time to teach the players the offense, so they don't really know what to do. Yea, Hoyer has played in the offense before, but that was years ago.

It really explains all of the confusion we've seen between Hoyer and the receivers and people lining up incorrectly.

I highly doubt Shanny is spending a lot of time worried about STs or Defense. He is probably spending 95% of his time focused on the O.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by thl408:
Looks like you'll be scoring more than the 49ers. What you think of how ARI got their RBs involved in the short passing game? ARI had zero running game as the run defense continues to shine. With missing starters on their OL and no David Johnson, no surprise they couldn't run. But their RBs combined got 12 catches for 117 yards. Most of the RB catches seemed determined, as in they weren't checkdowns, they were actually the go-to target on the play.

A weakness of this Cover3 is the short throws to the RBs, but the 49ers called Cover2 and Tampa2 as well in this game and the LBs were still victimized with short throws to the RB and were not being able to rally in time to keep it a minimal gain. On the last ARI drive, they got a couple nice catches from Ellington, each totaling 11 yards. The 49er LBs were so worried about the intermediate routes that they sagged hard and the short pass to the RB coming out of the backfield was easy pickings for Palmer.

We are now getting beat like cover 3 teams get beat. Reminds me of what NE did to Seattle in that SB.

That was my exact thought and you know the Cards know how to beat this defense.

I also saw a theme in the passing game that they attacked that intermediate route between the outside CB and S. All day that seam was open.

Did you notice that? If so, any thoughts?
Well the one thing with this defense is that division rivals get to play it 4 times a season (SEAx2, SFx2) so they are going to have ways to beat it, and more importantly, they will get reps to practice beating it. The 49ers seemed to want to take away the intermediate routes, so they would have the LBs gain depth to defend the intermediate, but then ARI would throw a short pass to the RBs.

As an underneath zone defender, there's a feeling of timing to how route combinations develop. Zone defenders are always taught to take away the High read first then go to the Low read when defending a vertical stretch. There's a sense of timing that has to become instinctual as he gains depth to take away the High read, then instinctually know when the QB is progressing to the Low read, and get a head start on breaking towards that route.

SEA LBs do this well. Partly because they know they have a good pass rush to support them. Take away the High read, know that the QB is running out of time in the pocket and will be progressing to his Low read. Break towards the Low route, just before the QB starts his throwing motion and limit RAC. I'll post a few plays of how simple it was for ARI to attack the 49er LBs in the short passing game.
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