Coaches Film Analysis: 2017 Season

Here's the play where IND dropped 9 and rushed 2. I'm not even sure if this is what was supposed to happen. Check out the presnap confusion among the LBs, "you got him, no I got him, no I'm over there, no wait". Some sort of Cover6 with the slot WR getting double teamed, then there's a lurker (zone LB) in the middle. Somehow it worked out for IND on this play.

Originally posted by captveg:
WTF was Ward thinking there...

Ward seemed to be surprised by Mack's speed and did the right thing in making sure Mack doesn't get passed him. Mack's speed and us being brainless boneheads on the edge. Almost like the DET Lions defense against our trap plays when Harbaugh was here. WAY TOO undisciplined. Kyle should have benched players. No wonder why we signed Leon Hall.

Tartt and Soloman Thomas were the edge guys here and one of if not both effed up on this one. Ward did the right thing in coming down first and sure the shortest route by the RB.



Another double eff up (Tartt edge and Johnson to make the tackle. No excuse. Now I know why we signed Leon Hall.



Looks like Lynch misses the tackle. Big gaping hole up the middle was Ward's first reaction. Then Mack bounces further out and #33 has nobody blocking him and he takes a terrible angle also thinking Mack was going to run up the middle. Mack's speed caused for a lot of bad angles as well.



WTF is #24 thinking here? Again, Mack's speed is too much for Ward to get a clean tackle.

Originally posted by communist:
Hoyer, Robinson, ok but Ward? He barely played this season. I mean, it does not erase the fact but is a valid excuse so far, imho.

Yeah, but his mistakes in the few games he's played in have been HUGE.

Originally posted by vamphunter23:
Nice play call by the Colts....we should steal that play.....should have only been a 16-20 yard gain if Ward doesnt totally blow that play....

Left side of 49ers defense was a sieve all game.

I wanted to touch on the biggest play, as far as yards are concerned, that we gave up in the game. This set up the failed 3rd and 15 we gave up that I showed earlier.



Indy is going to run a couple different concepts here. They're going to run a sluggo(I should add the caveat that I think it's a sluggo. It could just be a slant/flat and the receiver broke the route up on a scramble drill) on the single receiver side. Sluggo shows a slant/flat concept and the slant receiver turns it into a fade/go route. Jerry Rice and T.O. made a living off this play for years. Mooch LOVED the sluggo.

On the 2 receiver side they run a post/deep comeback combo. For some reason my mind is blanking on the name of that concept.....mental block I guess.

They'll throw another variation in that they have PA to help the sluggo route. FWIW to remember, Bow was off the field for this series.



Our LB's do a good job of not biting hard on the run action.



Ray Ray should be gaining depth here if he see's this flat route. He needs to gain a little depth and clog up the passing lane. Coyle as well needs to gain a little depth here, find work, boys.



The deep comeback occupies DJ and Ward see's the slant route without LB depth and decides to drive on it. AA up front decides to try and rush inside and completely gives up contain.....



Brissett has Hilton right here but he doesn't see him at first. Ward is occupied by the sluggo route and he has no idea Hilton is running free behind him.



Brissett finally see's Hilton and makes the throw Hoyer should have with Goodwin earlier in the game. He throws it over the safety and leads him down the hash mark.



What we have is a multi-leveled fail of players trying to do things that aren't their job. Ward's job is not to defend the intermediate middle - that's a LB's job. AA's job is to maintain contain, first and foremost. Sacks are great, but don't give a team a chance to turn a short play into a huge play.

Originally posted by thl408:

Here's the play where IND dropped 9 and rushed 2. I'm not even sure if this is what was supposed to happen. Check out the presnap confusion among the LBs, "you got him, no I got him, no I'm over there, no wait". Some sort of Cover6 with the slot WR getting double teamed, then there's a lurker (zone LB) in the middle. Somehow it worked out for IND on this play.

Thanks for posting this one.

Very frustrating play in the game. It initially looks like Staley got beat but, seeing it again, it looked like Hoyer should have climbed back up into the pocket. When he hits his back foot, he just stops.

Admittedly, I'm probably looking for reasons to blame Hoyer instead of Staley because of their respective histories. Just curious what your thoughts were on that.

Originally posted by PowderdToastMn:

Originally posted by thl408:
Here's the play where IND dropped 9 and rushed 2. I'm not even sure if this is what was supposed to happen. Check out the presnap confusion among the LBs, "you got him, no I got him, no I'm over there, no wait". Some sort of Cover6 with the slot WR getting double teamed, then there's a lurker (zone LB) in the middle. Somehow it worked out for IND on this play.

Thanks for posting this one.

Very frustrating play in the game. It initially looks like Staley got beat but, seeing it again, it looked like Hoyer should have climbed back up into the pocket. When he hits his back foot, he just stops.

Admittedly, I'm probably looking for reasons to blame Hoyer instead of Staley because of their respective histories. Just curious what your thoughts were on that.

It could also be that Staley was expecting a chip from the RB before he released but Breida saw only one rusher on that side and didn't bother. Could also be that Staley wasn't expecting such a major speed rush. It's a 7 step drop pass so I can't blame Hoyer too much on it. He'd have to hit his back foot and immediately drive forward. Not impossible but also not what he's taught to do.

Originally posted by thl408:
Pagano's defense compared to Saleh's are polar opposites. Chuck Pagano, coming from Rex Ryan coaching tree, throws every single coverage known to mankind at the offense. I saw Cover0, Cover1, Cover3, Cover6, Tampa2 - all in the first half. They played man, zone, pattern matching, split coverages. They dropped 8 and rushed 3, they even dropped 9 and rushed 2 one time (and got a sack)! And IND will just cycle the coverages throughout the game. Truly a difference in philosophy. For watching film, this makes it very interesting. For the players, I'm sure it's a lot to grasp.

What was your thoughts on Matthias Farley, #41 for the Colts? To me, dude looked like he had an incredible game. He had the one play where Goodwin beat him but that was just an incredible throw and catch. Other than that, dude looked like he was ballin', to me. If there was a player on their defense that showed up on film, IMO, it was him.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I wanted to touch on the biggest play, as far as yards are concerned, that we gave up in the game. This set up the failed 3rd and 15 we gave up that I showed earlier.

Indy is going to run a couple different concepts here. They're going to run a sluggo(I should add the caveat that I think it's a sluggo. It could just be a slant/flat and the receiver broke the route up on a scramble drill) on the single receiver side. Sluggo shows a slant/flat concept and the slant receiver turns it into a fade/go route. Jerry Rice and T.O. made a living off this play for years. Mooch LOVED the sluggo.

On the 2 receiver side they run a post/deep comeback combo. For some reason my mind is blanking on the name of that concept.....mental block I guess.

They'll throw another variation in that they have PA to help the sluggo route. FWIW to remember, Bow was off the field for this series.

Our LB's do a good job of not biting hard on the run action.

Ray Ray should be gaining depth here if he see's this flat route. He needs to gain a little depth and clog up the passing lane. Coyle as well needs to gain a little depth here, find work, boys.



The deep comeback occupies DJ and Ward see's the slant route without LB depth and decides to drive on it. AA up front decides to try and rush inside and completely gives up contain.....

Brissett has Hilton right here but he doesn't see him at first. Ward is occupied by the sluggo route and he has no idea Hilton is running free behind him.

Brissett finally see's Hilton and makes the throw Hoyer should have with Goodwin earlier in the game. He throws it over the safety and leads him down the hash mark.

What we have is a multi-leveled fail of players trying to do things that aren't their job. Ward's job is not to defend the intermediate middle - that's a LB's job. AA's job is to maintain contain, first and foremost. Sacks are great, but don't give a team a chance to turn a short play into a huge play.

jd, Saban refers to it as the 'Pole' concept (Deep Out from #1, Go route from #2). It's a Cover3 buster to put the sideline deep 1/3 in conflict.


Agreed on some of the players failing here but there seems to be a breakdown of the coverage, and I'm not talking about Ward. Referring to just DJ and KWilliams. If DJ is locked on the #1 (Deep Out), then KW has to carry the #2 if #2 goes vertical.. Here, KW plays spot drop curl/flat, DJ is locked on #1, then when #2 goes vertical no one covers him. KW has to have the freedom to pattern match #2. We don't know if he does and just didn't, or if he doesn't have that freedom (due to the playcall).

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
Pagano's defense compared to Saleh's are polar opposites. Chuck Pagano, coming from Rex Ryan coaching tree, throws every single coverage known to mankind at the offense. I saw Cover0, Cover1, Cover3, Cover6, Tampa2 - all in the first half. They played man, zone, pattern matching, split coverages. They dropped 8 and rushed 3, they even dropped 9 and rushed 2 one time (and got a sack)! And IND will just cycle the coverages throughout the game. Truly a difference in philosophy. For watching film, this makes it very interesting. For the players, I'm sure it's a lot to grasp.

What was your thoughts on Matthias Farley, #41 for the Colts? To me, dude looked like he had an incredible game. He had the one play where Goodwin beat him but that was just an incredible throw and catch. Other than that, dude looked like he was ballin', to me. If there was a player on their defense that showed up on film, IMO, it was him.

Sorry, I can't answer. I don't really see opposing jersey numbers when I watch the film, just colored ants running around (play designs).

Originally posted by thl408:
jd, Saban refers to it as the 'Pole' concept (Deep Out from #1, Go route from #2). It's a Cover3 buster to put the sideline deep 1/3 in conflict.


Agreed on some of the players failing here but there seems to be a breakdown of the coverage, and I'm not talking about Ward. Referring to just DJ and KWilliams. If DJ is locked on the #1 (Deep Out), then KW has to carry the #2 if #2 goes vertical.. Here, KW plays spot drop curl/flat, DJ is locked on #1, then when #2 goes vertical no one covers him. KW has to have the freedom to pattern match #2. We don't know if he does and just didn't, or if he doesn't have that freedom (due to the playcall).

KW does what he should which is to stay under. DJ needs to follow his 3rd upfield. Biggest whiff on this one was our FS that has been playing CB and slot corner the past two years and did not practice much in preseason or TC.

For Saleh having such a basic defense, we are making bonehead decisions. Just do your damn job in 3-Deep and do not let anyone get behind you. You can always react downhill if a throw is made to a receiver in front of you. Same goes for our 4 guys playing under. Don't freaking bite on PA because we have freaking 8 men in the box to handle a run you f**ks.



DO YOUR JOB!!

Originally posted by jonnydel:

It could also be that Staley was expecting a chip from the RB before he released but Breida saw only one rusher on that side and didn't bother. Could also be that Staley wasn't expecting such a major speed rush. It's a 7 step drop pass so I can't blame Hoyer too much on it. He'd have to hit his back foot and immediately drive forward. Not impossible but also not what he's taught to do.

Good point. I guess I watched waiting on him to have a hitch step at the end of the drop, but it would have to be immediate, and who knows if he's taught to do that for this type of drop.

Oh well. Either way, bad play. Staley is allowed to give up those kinds of plays every now and then

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by thl408:

jd, Saban refers to it as the 'Pole' concept (Deep Out from #1, Go route from #2). It's a Cover3 buster to put the sideline deep 1/3 in conflict.


Agreed on some of the players failing here but there seems to be a breakdown of the coverage, and I'm not talking about Ward. Referring to just DJ and KWilliams. If DJ is locked on the #1 (Deep Out), then KW has to carry the #2 if #2 goes vertical.. Here, KW plays spot drop curl/flat, DJ is locked on #1, then when #2 goes vertical no one covers him. KW has to have the freedom to pattern match #2. We don't know if he does and just didn't, or if he doesn't have that freedom (due to the playcall).

KW does what he should which is to stay under. DJ needs to follow his 3rd upfield. Biggest whiff on this one was our FS that has been playing CB and slot corner the past two years and did not practice much in preseason or TC.

For Saleh having such a basic defense, we are making bonehead decisions. Just do your damn job in 3-Deep and do not let anyone get behind you. You can always react downhill if a throw is made to a receiver in front of you. Same goes for our 4 guys playing under. Don't freaking bite on PA because we have freaking 8 men in the box to handle a run you f**ks.



DO YOUR JOB!!

"We're on to Washington...."

Would this tag-team Rock-n-Roll Express duo be willing to speak to, video it up, as to what differences in technique in CB play you see between Seattle and us? Differences in scheme and play calling between the two?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Would this tag-team Rock-n-Roll Express duo be willing to speak to, video it up, as to what differences in technique in CB play you see between Seattle and us? Differences in scheme and play calling between the two?

🤔🤔 interesting thought.....