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LeProfessionnel
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Still shaking my head about that OPI call. Luckily it wasn't hurtful since it kept us in position for a top 2 pick, but it is still frustrating.
9 out of 10 experts agree that it was the right call though, so I wouldn't get too upset about it or at least you should direct that anger towards Shanahan for calling all of these obvious pick plays.
"9 out of 10 experts agree". Good one.
It's like an infomercial selling cars to blind people. Probably the worst infomercial imaginable.
Everyone laughs at absurd, over the top infomercials.
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hummbabybear
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Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
I'm probably the biggest 49er fan here, which isn't to say that everyone else here isn't a big 49er fan.
I've been doing low carb for a while so I'm no longer the biggest 49ers fan
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49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Still shaking my head about that OPI call. Luckily it wasn't hurtful since it kept us in position for a top 2 pick, but it is still frustrating.
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9 out of 10 experts agree that it was the right call though, so I wouldn't get too upset about it or at least you should direct that anger towards Shanahan for calling all of these obvious pick plays.
"9 out of 10 experts agree". Good one.
It's like an infomercial selling cars to blind people. Probably the worst infomercial imaginable.
Everyone laughs at absurd, over the top infomercials.
if only he can get 10 out of 10
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LeProfessionnel
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Still shaking my head about that OPI call. Luckily it wasn't hurtful since it kept us in position for a top 2 pick, but it is still frustrating.
9 out of 10 experts agree that it was the right call though, so I wouldn't get too upset about it or at least you should direct that anger towards Shanahan for calling all of these obvious pick plays.
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"9 out of 10 experts agree". Good one.
It's like an infomercial selling cars to blind people. Probably the worst infomercial imaginable.
Everyone laughs at absurd, over the top infomercials.
if only he can get 10 out of 10
Should've bought a Sham-wow.
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Luckycharms
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Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
How many sources do you need? The officials on the field thought it was the right call, the league office agreed with them, and our most knowledgeable beat-writer also agreed. I tabulated the ratio of actual experts (no has beens like Mike Pereira in my list sorry) and it came out to be around 9/10 (actual number is 86%).
So are you saying the officials are never wrong? Whatever call they make is 100% right? And it's only 1 official who made the call not multiple. Can you list these 9 experts since you said you tabulated them? I would gladly like to see this 'list'.
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well, sorry to dissapoint football fans but I won't have many breakdowns this week as I have simply run out of time. I didn't want to leave the thread without being touched on at all this week though as it'd feel like a weird empty void.....
I'm going to try and post some breakdowns on Friday but it depends on how much work I can get done today.
A quick run through though:
Overall - I still don't agree with many who say KS is overmatched as both coordinator and HC. Guys are still getting open, running lanes are still being created we just have to find a way to execute all the way through drives. We had several drives last week that were shut down after we moved the ball because of a missed block here, a dropped pass there, an errant throw there, etc. We are both a young team and a talent depleted team. We have a few bright spots but our talent level is still below nearly every team in the league. We weren't some middle of the pack team last year with a terrible coach. We were a terrible team with a terrible coach. Now, we're slightly less terrible with a much better coach IMO. Just gonna take time and another off-season infusion of talent and growth from the guys who will become our core players.
To add on, I felt like there wasn't a whole lot to take away from this game because it was the outlier, not the rule for the season. We'd been competitive in every other game and hadn't gotten railroaded like this yet. So, until it happens on multiple occasions I'm not going to say this is the true state of the team.
"How did Beathard look on film"?
He looked like a 3rd round pick in his first start 3 months into his career. We can't compare this kid with guys like Dak or Russel who were 3rd round picks with immediate success. Those guys walked into perfect situations with talented teams around them already. This kid doesn't have that advantage. He's playing on a talent deprived team. Did he miss throws? Yes. Did he take some unnecessary sacks? Yes. Was he deprived of some possible big plays because his O-line failed him? Yes.
Overall, it was a lot like last week. I felt like what we saw was a guy who the game isn't too big for. He made good reads most of the time and did a lot of things right as far as looking off safeties. He also did some things wrong. Ball security is paramount from that position and he's got to learn to protect himself and the football better. Footwork still needs a lot of work - which I don't expect to get much better until next pre-season after he has a full off-season to work on what Shanny wants. When a rook comes in and has a rough outing like that you can't tell a darn thing about who they will be. We've all seen some have enormous success their first couple starts(hello RGIII, Ryan Leaf, insert QB name here if desired) only to have their success fall off a cliff later. We've also seen some have horrible starts and wonderful careers(hello Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, Bret Favre). We've also seen guys have terrible starts and terrible careers(hello JaMarcus Russel). What does this tell us? Nothing....it won't and we can't draw any major conclusions from it.
O-line They weren't great. Very up and down game. At times they did well, opened holes and held their own for blocking. On other occasions it was baaaad. Some of it wasn't on them. I don't like the call when Shanny put Celek in pass pro on Dallas' LE who is their leading sack guy to see him give up a quick sack. Our Tackles struggled as much as our guards. Our guards and center are getting a ton of flak, though I don't put it all on them. They're mediocre but they aren't the cause of all our blocking woes IMO. As much as everyone(including myself) loves T. Brown - he was really inconsistent in this game til he went out. Which has been his problem so far in his career. He'll flash and then he'll disappear.
Defense - this whole Reid at LB experiment went terribly wrong last week. I counted a number of big runs given up because Reid just didn't understand/know how to play that position. He was filling wrong gaps, getting blown out of the 2nd level by lineman, taking the wrong shoulder on lineman or missing some tackles. It was a big cause for Dallas' huge day on the ground. I understand they're trying to get the best 11 on the field and they feel they have 3 good safeties. But, IMO, our safeties were better when it was Reid in the box and Tartt as the single high. I'm really not impressed with Ward. It may be the missing of all of training camp - which I'm not excusing him for because the guy spends more time on the injury list than Marcus Lattimore.....Either way, our run D in our Nickel package was turrible when we were running that 3 safety look. It may be a situation where they'll need more time there to work it out and get comfortable. I see the potential good in it, but last week against the best offensive line in the league it was no bueno.
RR - dude has got to figure out how to not get penalized so much. His penalties because of poor awareness/footwork was maddening. He's still really young but if he's gonna be as confident as he shows when he makes a good play then he has to back it up by not making horrible plays. I had a boss once who said, "just remember, it takes 9 attaboys to make up for one oh sh_t". Right now, it's 2 attaboys for every 3 oh......
All that being said, feel free to discuss anything X's and O's here and if any of y'all have gamepass, feel free to contribute. Happy Halloweener!
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thl408
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Kyle talking about CJ:
"There was a big play that we had in the game and we thought versus Tampa 2, that Mike linebacker would take it away and he'd have to go to number two," Shanahan said. "We got in the game and he came out to throw to the guy and he didn't and he went to number two. He came to the sidelines and I was like, 'Why didn't you throw it?' He goes, 'Coach, it was Tampa 2.' I was like, 'I know, but the Mike busted. He didn't even run down the middle.'
"Actually, the guy he should have taken away ended up being open. It was good and bad because you're right, you did read the coverage right but you've still got to see the throw. The Mike linebacker busted. Even though you saw Tampa 2 by the safeties, the guy was still open. You've got to throw it to him and that's stuff he learns because he studied during the week."
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This might be the play. DAL came with a lot of single high so this is one of the few times they had a Cover2 shell.
The MLB (blue) in Tampa2 will turn his hips to face the passing strength of the offensive formation (3wr side) and gain depth down the middle of the field.
Playaction plus Taylor looking like he's run blocking sells the play fake and the MLB steps towards the LoS. It also holds the strongside Hook.
CJ completes his drop. Had the MLB gained depth, he'd be near the blue star, taking away Garcon's route.
CJ targets Goodwin. Nice play by red LB to be zone aware and find work. He would have ended up contesting a throw to Garcon.
+48.
If this was the play Kyle is talking about, then not bad for making the non-optimal read.
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thl408
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When throwing the ball CJ made more good choices than bad in this game. But here is one I think he could have done differently. This is on the 49ers first drive.
Mills concept to CJ's right.
Garcon isolated running a Post-Corner
vs Cover1 blitz, anything over the short/intermediate middle of the field is open provided no other routes take a defender there. Only route over the middle is Taylor's.
CJ looks down the middle and holds the FS. But instead of peeking at Taylor who has inside leverage on an inside breaking route, over the middle.
CJ goes for the more difficult throw, Garcon. CJ did a good job holding the FS enough that there is a window away from the FS, but such a far throw and with the CB having outside leverage on an outside breaking route.
Incomplete. Versus a Cover1 blitz, have to think middle of field. It's an easier throw and the window will be larger. It's just one of the weaknesses of Cover1 blitz that can be exploited provided the WR wins, and Taylor wins a lot when given a free run without contact.
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Posted the following in the Kyle thread......but we all know that's not what that thread about anymore
Anyways, it goes along with Thl408 post 3 here
I was able to find some nice play art examples of the patented Kyle Yankee route/post-Deep cross/in plays. This concept is right up there with his boot action plays as far as favorite concepts for him.
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Fran does analysis for the eagles and broke down a lot of Kyle's favorite play calls...so good clips on this thread...check if out 
The good ole Yankee route or Deep cross has been a staple of Kyle's offense and his Dad's/Kubiak's. You can pair it up with posts or corners.
Paired with a post
Paired with a corner-post type route
Paired with a corner out of 21 personnel
Paired with a corner out of 12 personnel play passing off of outside zone run
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thl408
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A one gap, penetrating defensive lineman will be more vulnerable to trap plays and screen passes when compared to a two gapping lineman. Last week WAS got over 90 yards of screen play yards.
Trap vs Over front. The 3t in a 4-3 front is most likely one gapping. LG trap blocks.
Expecting resistance that isn't there, TMcDaniel falls over when the two OL let him by.
RG and RT combo block RayRay.
RT moves on to block Foster.
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thl408
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This is on the FG drive.
right: Inverted Smash (high low)
left: Versus cover1, the yellow fade can win by having the orange curl hold a defender and earn room for yellow to work towards the sideline.
vs Cover1 robber
CJ holds the FS and knows he will be targeting Kittle. The safety on Kittle does a good job sliding with Kittle, playing with outside leverage to funnel Kittle to the FS. Kittle tries to head shake to the inside and it fails.
CJ mid windup even though Kittle lost on his route. The read is correct, target the fade versus Cover1, but the WR didn't win.
No illegal contact? FG
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thl408
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This is the 3rd down that resulted in a sack. I was curious what CJ was looking at when watching this live.
Similar route combo to the play above.
vs Cover3
From the endzone view I can tell CJ is thinking about targeting Taylor. The curl/flat defender is creeping and this is a far throw.
Sacked. The only route open to convert was Garcon, but I can't tell what CJ's reads are on this play vs Cover3.
