So, here was the first of many 3rd down conversion we had in the game. I really like this play because he has to identify the correct key defender against a tough look and deliver an accurate ball.
If you were around the film threads during Fangio's time with us this look should be familiar. One thing Fangio loves to do is give this quarters shell look on almost all his defensive looks. Often times he'll end up going with some sort of cover 3, either "sky" or "buzz" or cover 6 and sometimes he'll stick in quarters coverage. It makes it hard for a QB to identify who's going to be where on a given play and forces a QB to make decisions post-snap.
We're going to give a look on a play we've ran a lot this year(other teams as well) where we line up Hyde outside on a trips side and run 2 receivers up to block with Hyde behind it like an outside screen pass. As it's 3rd and long, it's understandable why we'd run that. Instead, we're going to run T. Taylor on a slant/short post route looking to attack the field from the near hash to the sideline.
Post snap You see they're running a cover 3 defense with the inside defenders playing shallow, looking for anything headed outside to match and the outside defenders taking away the seams. For Jimmy, the SS is the key read here. If he plays inside, he'll throw it to Goodwin, if he plays outside underneath help for the corner he'll have Taylor open coming across.
From this angle you can see Jimmy isn't looking where he'll throw, he's reading his key defender. Because he's looking at the defense, not his receiver, it freezes the defender.
You see Hyde's underneath route at the top clears the underneath defender for Taylor to release and not be matched. Also see how Jimmy reading the key defender holds him and opens up space for Goodwin's curl route. Jimmy is just starting his windup here. Notice how it's just as Goodwin is starting his break. Literally, this is the first step in his break. Side note - I like Goodwin's route running here. But, this is really nice anticipation in the throw here. He doesn't need to see Goodwin open, he see's the corner playing over-the-top and read the key defender.
Just wanted to include this snapshot so it was clear that Jimmy wasn't staring down his receiver as he's looking much further outside when he makes the throw.
A nice throw into a tight window. If he doesn't throw this with anticipation or hold his key defender it's not complete.
Just so you can all share in the agony of Chicago's "All-22" view.....
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Dec 5, 2017 at 12:45 PM
- jonnydel
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Dec 5, 2017 at 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by thl408:And I'll show one to the right side of the field - the one to the right was the 5 step mentioned in the OP. Footwork was fun to watch. Especially after what we've seen for a number of years.
JG had about as good a game that a QB can have without scoring a TD. CHI gave lots of zone looks throughout the game and JG showed that he understood holes in the coverage. CHI did come with consecutive blitzes on 3rd down, backed with man coverage, (3rd quarter) and JG beat it both times to convert. Kyle did a good job via formation/motion to give JG a good presnap read of the coverage. Many times a TE or RB would line up wide outside the numbers to provide a clear presnap read for JG. Kyle also used spread formations so that JG had some familiarity (NE does this a lot with Brady). JG loves throwing the short Out route. This was noticeable watching his NE film, and in this game it continued. He throws it with confidence and high accuracy.
JG's high school coach was interviewed and was asked something like "what will you be watching on Sunday?". He said, "I'll be watching his feet". I'll show a play where JG threw a short Out route on rhythm, with pinpoint accuracy, to the left side of the field as an example of how polished his footwork is. It's important to remember that while JG is a 3 year vet, he has very little playing experience, so there's really no way that the game has completely slowed down for him like how it would for a true vet. Just so I can say that JG didn't play a perfect game, there were two red zone plays where I thought JG could have made a better decision, I'll try to show those.
Defensively the 49ers played used a conservative gameplan. Knowing that CHI has no weapons in the passing game, and a rookie QB that isn't being given much in terms of passing game complexity, the 49ers were able to stick to their defensive philosophy of forcing the opposing offense to string together long drives in order to score. CHI was able to do that once for their offensive TD - and nothing after that. Foster, DeFo, and Day showed up in the run game defense helping limit Jordan Howard to a yards per carry average below 3. That's the bulk of their offense right there. Reid had a huge stop on CHI's final drive to force a 3rd and long, which they failed to convert, to set up the winning FG drive.
It was like when Bill Walsh told Randy Cross about Montana, "Randy, look at Joe's feet. Just watch his feet, it's just sexy".
Dec 5, 2017 at 1:09 PM
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another great throw without a clean pocket.
This is a pretty common play in the NFL, it's a double dig concept. You just run to DIG routes. The first looks to clear out the space for the second coming behind it.
CHI is in a 3 deep fire zone as Fangio started to blitz to get pressure. we run play action to grab the underneath coverage and create space for the DIG routes.
Louis Murphy looks open at first but the backside corner realizes what's going on and looks to grab Murphy's first route. The hook/curl defender is drawn over by Murphy's DIG.
Goodwin is now open over the middle. Jimmy already threw the ball.
Jimmy did not have a clean pocket on this play. One of the things defenses look to do is not give a QB a clean pocket. Even if they can't get the sack a lot of guys struggle with playing in a pocket where things start getting dirty. He wasn't able to step up into his throw but still has the arm talent to put a ball right on the spot and stands tall even though he'll get knocked down on the play.
+ 18 on the play. That's Jimmy with his feet in the air. Nice throw on a well designed play under duress.
Seriously, the All-22 is just a zoomed out broadcast angle.....
This is a pretty common play in the NFL, it's a double dig concept. You just run to DIG routes. The first looks to clear out the space for the second coming behind it.
CHI is in a 3 deep fire zone as Fangio started to blitz to get pressure. we run play action to grab the underneath coverage and create space for the DIG routes.
Louis Murphy looks open at first but the backside corner realizes what's going on and looks to grab Murphy's first route. The hook/curl defender is drawn over by Murphy's DIG.
Goodwin is now open over the middle. Jimmy already threw the ball.
Jimmy did not have a clean pocket on this play. One of the things defenses look to do is not give a QB a clean pocket. Even if they can't get the sack a lot of guys struggle with playing in a pocket where things start getting dirty. He wasn't able to step up into his throw but still has the arm talent to put a ball right on the spot and stands tall even though he'll get knocked down on the play.
+ 18 on the play. That's Jimmy with his feet in the air. Nice throw on a well designed play under duress.
Seriously, the All-22 is just a zoomed out broadcast angle.....
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Dec 5, 2017 at 1:35 PM
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Favorite poster on the zone.
Dec 5, 2017 at 1:56 PM
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yup it was a fun day to be a niner fan...haven't been able to say that in a while.
Like I said this FO/coaching staff have a plan
It was amazing to see the amount of 3rd down conversions JG made (not short conversions either), it was also amazing to see our defense not out there for like 50+ snaps (TOP for SF was almost 40 mins)
I think I read that DeFo had like 26 snaps! That's unheard of....I also think Buck is dealing with a little bit of a ankle injury.
Penalties killed us in the RZ, that's something that needs to be cleaned up...we also need to get Jimmy GQ some skilled players and a better OL.
arrow up!!!
Like I said this FO/coaching staff have a plan
It was amazing to see the amount of 3rd down conversions JG made (not short conversions either), it was also amazing to see our defense not out there for like 50+ snaps (TOP for SF was almost 40 mins)
I think I read that DeFo had like 26 snaps! That's unheard of....I also think Buck is dealing with a little bit of a ankle injury.
Penalties killed us in the RZ, that's something that needs to be cleaned up...we also need to get Jimmy GQ some skilled players and a better OL.
arrow up!!!
Dec 5, 2017 at 2:05 PM
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
So, here was the first of many 3rd down conversion we had in the game. I really like this play because he has to identify the correct key defender against a tough look and deliver an accurate ball.
When I saw this one I thought it was a dangerous throw... but here you can see the defender just got a really good break on it... maybe Goodwin should have come back for it a little?
Anyways, your break down shows how nice of a throw it was. thanks!
What did you guys think of his aggression to throw into tight windows? During the game I thought there were a few that could get him into trouble. One was this throw, there was another that was defended to Celek down by the endzone and then obviously when he threw into triple pressure while getting hit? Was the decision making good or will it eventually lead to turn overs?
Personally I loved the aggression... As long as he continues to show the accuracy to fit it in . He definitely doesn't play scared or conservatively. Throwing past the sticks on 3rd and long was a nice change from previous QBs, even the few scramble plays were he threw it up to Kittle in the corner of the endzone and Bourne coming back on the sideline were nice to see because they at least had a chance of being good plays. Most QBs I see throw those away or too far out were there is no chance.
Dec 5, 2017 at 2:05 PM
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There was some discussion about the Drive concept last week and how CJ was not patient with it, to allow it to develop. Red + Yellow is the Drive concept. CHI will send the SS on a blitz while playing 3 deep, 3 underneath.
vs Fire Zone blitz
You can't see Celek (88) because he's lined up next to big Brown, but he's there.
Hyde identifies the blitzer and picks up the SS. Bourne's drag route draws up the blue LB for Celek to work the area behind the LB.
+22
vs Fire Zone blitz
You can't see Celek (88) because he's lined up next to big Brown, but he's there.
Hyde identifies the blitzer and picks up the SS. Bourne's drag route draws up the blue LB for Celek to work the area behind the LB.
+22
Dec 5, 2017 at 2:06 PM
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Man, everyone is Giddy here!
Dec 5, 2017 at 2:16 PM
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They are making millions but they can't install a decent HD camera up high at each endzone side of the stadium
For a decent all 22
For a decent all 22
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Dec 5, 2017 at 2:16 PM
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Originally posted by matguy87:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
So, here was the first of many 3rd down conversion we had in the game. I really like this play because he has to identify the correct key defender against a tough look and deliver an accurate ball.
When I saw this one I thought it was a dangerous throw... but here you can see the defender just got a really good break on it... maybe Goodwin should have come back for it a little?
Anyways, your break down shows how nice of a throw it was. thanks!
What did you guys think of his aggression to throw into tight windows? During the game I thought there were a few that could get him into trouble. One was this throw, there was another that was defended to Celek down by the endzone and then obviously when he threw into triple pressure while getting hit? Was the decision making good or will it eventually lead to turn overs?
Personally I loved the aggression... As long as he continues to show the accuracy to fit it in . He definitely doesn't play scared or conservatively. Throwing past the sticks on 3rd and long was a nice change from previous QBs, even the few scramble plays were he threw it up to Kittle in the corner of the endzone and Bourne coming back on the sideline were nice to see because they at least had a chance of being good plays. Most QBs I see throw those away or too far out were there is no chance.
There were only a couple throws where I thought it was risky. The Celek throw and then another to Goodwin. The "triple coverage" throw wasn't as risky as it's been made out to be.
One thing is clear that Jimmy learned from NE was not being afraid to throw the ball when a defender's back is turned. How many times have we seen Gronk catch passes from a perfectly thrown ball when a defender's back was turned? I guy can't intercept the ball if he can't see it.
Some of them are tight windows but when you watch the ball flight it's never in danger. He has such arm talent that he can put zing on the ball, touch and is able to get the ball over defenders while still having some speed on it. His touch on his throws mixed with arm strength is something we haven't seen since Montana.
That first play I cut up is a perfect example of a big boy throw in the NFL. It's a deep comeback/curl to the sidelines into a tight window. It's a ball that's going to travel 30 yards or so through the air. He put it on a line into a tight window. He's definitely the type of guy that, as the analysts always say, "can make all the throws".
Dec 5, 2017 at 2:17 PM
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Originally posted by qnnhan7:
They are making millions but they can't install a decent HD camera up high at each endzone side of the stadium
For a decent all 22
The endzone is great - it's just like any other coaches film. It's the sidelines.
Dec 5, 2017 at 2:38 PM
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Some of the things Jimmy did well aren't necessarily going to show up in the stat sheet but impacted the game.
Someone said they'd like to see Jimmy hit some of those deep 30+ throws. One thing Fangio is big on is, stuff the D and don't give up the big pass play. So, there weren't really opportunities for big plays. Here's an example.
we're going to run to run fakes and try and get Goodwin deep down the field. I messed up on my play art here. It's celek that's going to run a hook over the middle and then Juice is gonna just carry out a run fake and sort of leak out into the flat. Chicago plays cover 3 zone.
The first run fake grabs the underneath coverage.
As we carry out the 2nd run fake, notice how all 3 deep defenders locate Goodwin. You think he was on scouting report? LOL.
See how Goodwin is triple covered down the field? That's called taking the top off of the defense. Celek was also doubled. Right here Jimmy is looking for Goodwin, but he doesn't just let it rip in a YOLO throw. He never panics and realizes there must be another option. A lot of QB's would either rip it here or throw it away.
he never panics but calmly moves to his left and hits Juice for 3 yards. While not a big time gain, he kept from making the negative play on the final drive and setup the next play.
Someone said they'd like to see Jimmy hit some of those deep 30+ throws. One thing Fangio is big on is, stuff the D and don't give up the big pass play. So, there weren't really opportunities for big plays. Here's an example.
we're going to run to run fakes and try and get Goodwin deep down the field. I messed up on my play art here. It's celek that's going to run a hook over the middle and then Juice is gonna just carry out a run fake and sort of leak out into the flat. Chicago plays cover 3 zone.
The first run fake grabs the underneath coverage.
As we carry out the 2nd run fake, notice how all 3 deep defenders locate Goodwin. You think he was on scouting report? LOL.
See how Goodwin is triple covered down the field? That's called taking the top off of the defense. Celek was also doubled. Right here Jimmy is looking for Goodwin, but he doesn't just let it rip in a YOLO throw. He never panics and realizes there must be another option. A lot of QB's would either rip it here or throw it away.
he never panics but calmly moves to his left and hits Juice for 3 yards. While not a big time gain, he kept from making the negative play on the final drive and setup the next play.
Dec 5, 2017 at 2:41 PM
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by matguy87:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
So, here was the first of many 3rd down conversion we had in the game. I really like this play because he has to identify the correct key defender against a tough look and deliver an accurate ball.
When I saw this one I thought it was a dangerous throw... but here you can see the defender just got a really good break on it... maybe Goodwin should have come back for it a little?
Anyways, your break down shows how nice of a throw it was. thanks!
What did you guys think of his aggression to throw into tight windows? During the game I thought there were a few that could get him into trouble. One was this throw, there was another that was defended to Celek down by the endzone and then obviously when he threw into triple pressure while getting hit? Was the decision making good or will it eventually lead to turn overs?
Personally I loved the aggression... As long as he continues to show the accuracy to fit it in . He definitely doesn't play scared or conservatively. Throwing past the sticks on 3rd and long was a nice change from previous QBs, even the few scramble plays were he threw it up to Kittle in the corner of the endzone and Bourne coming back on the sideline were nice to see because they at least had a chance of being good plays. Most QBs I see throw those away or too far out were there is no chance.
There were only a couple throws where I thought it was risky. The Celek throw and then another to Goodwin. The "triple coverage" throw wasn't as risky as it's been made out to be.
One thing is clear that Jimmy learned from NE was not being afraid to throw the ball when a defender's back is turned. How many times have we seen Gronk catch passes from a perfectly thrown ball when a defender's back was turned? I guy can't intercept the ball if he can't see it.
Some of them are tight windows but when you watch the ball flight it's never in danger. He has such arm talent that he can put zing on the ball, touch and is able to get the ball over defenders while still having some speed on it. His touch on his throws mixed with arm strength is something we haven't seen since Montana.
That first play I cut up is a perfect example of a big boy throw in the NFL. It's a deep comeback/curl to the sidelines into a tight window. It's a ball that's going to travel 30 yards or so through the air. He put it on a line into a tight window. He's definitely the type of guy that, as the analysts always say, "can make all the throws".
Great! It will definitely be a fun end of the season now with Jimmy G especially with you guys giving us great insight into his performance.
It'll be interesting to see how he progresses.
Dec 5, 2017 at 2:43 PM
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Originally posted by thl408:There was some discussion about the Drive concept last week and how CJ was not patient with it, to allow it to develop. Red + Yellow is the Drive concept. CHI will send the SS on a blitz while playing 3 deep, 3 underneath.
vs Fire Zone blitz
You can't see Celek (88) because he's lined up next to big Brown, but he's there.
Hyde identifies the blitzer and picks up the SS. Bourne's drag route draws up the blue LB for Celek to work the area behind the LB.
+22
That's just so good.....As soon as the LBer takes the drive, the deep route becomes avail. It's a great concept and it takes a nice throw to hit that. You can wrap this up in so many different ways and Kyle has shown that drive is one of his favorite concepts.
Dec 5, 2017 at 2:49 PM
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Very dangerous giving accolades to a check down in the Zone.