Coaches Film Analysis: 2017 Season

Gonna be the 3rd most popular thread of the year after the Jimmy G trade thread and the Kyle Shanahan hiring thread.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

jd, what'd you think of Trubisky? Had a couple of good throws to slants and the TD, but I think the game is still too fast for him. If his first read wasn't there, he froze up. Such a difference between a prospect fresh out of a spread system in college, and a seasoned young QB with little experience.

edit: saw a nice progression throw on a 3rd & 5.

I felt underwhelmed by Trubisky and can see why we passed on him. He might turn out to be decent but he's gonna be a major project.

That coaching staff isn't well setup to develop a young QB. Loggains doesn't impress me at all. I think it will be crucial for the Bears to bring in a bright offensive mind that knows how to bring along a QB, like a Shanahan or McVay. His career will largely be dependent on who their next hire is.

Any thoughts on the criticisms of Jimmy brought up in this article:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/12/nfl-49ers-jimmy-garoppolo-highlights-breakdown-video-all-22-analysis-bears-scouting-report

Specifically, his critiques on JG's handling of the blitz and his movement in the pocket. To me, they seem kind of nit-picky (especially for a QB making his 3rd career start), but I'm curious how others feel.

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
Any thoughts on the criticisms of Jimmy brought up in this article:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/12/nfl-49ers-jimmy-garoppolo-highlights-breakdown-video-all-22-analysis-bears-scouting-report

Specifically, his critiques on JG's handling of the blitz and his movement in the pocket. To me, they seem kind of nit-picky (especially for a QB making his 3rd career start), but I'm curious how others feel.

Very nit-picky. I reviewed that article and one of the examples seemed to be reaching hard to find something to criticize him about. "And he could have thrown all the way across his body, way downfield and into coverage and he blew it because he ain't ready."

If those examples are the worst that they could come up with then that article leaves me even more psyched about Garoppolo.

Love this thread. Look forward to it every week. I'm very appreciative of the efforts of those that contribute the cut ups, analysis, and insight.

Thanks!!

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
Any thoughts on the criticisms of Jimmy brought up in this article:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/12/nfl-49ers-jimmy-garoppolo-highlights-breakdown-video-all-22-analysis-bears-scouting-report

Specifically, his critiques on JG's handling of the blitz and his movement in the pocket. To me, they seem kind of nit-picky (especially for a QB making his 3rd career start), but I'm curious how others feel.

It's not just nit-picking, it's reaching on several of them. It's a situation where someone will find something to criticize and he'd be nailed regardless. If he stays in a clean pocket and delivers a throw - "He sat in that pocket way too long, he's got to have that mental clock that winds down to get the ball out".

I've never seen such criticism on 2 completed passes, lol.

First of all, the blitz on the first isn't easy to see. It's one of the benefits of Fangio's coverage. What he saw as a "tell" for the blitz is what Fangio shows on nearly every play. So, no, it's not a tell. That's someone who's grabbing plays out of context and saying, "it was easy to see". The problem with the protection wasn't even the guy who blitzed, lol. It was a perfectly executed stunt.

Originally posted by thl408:

That crazy punt return for TD

This is why losing Mostert was so crucial. In fact, we lost our two best gunners. Adrian Colbert is a starter now and Mostert+Colbert were probably the two best gunner combo in the game.

I don't even know who our gunners are now. It looks Robinson was first down? That isn't good!

Expect more of these.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:

There was some discussion about the Drive concept last week and how CJ was not patient with it, to allow it to develop. Red Yellow is the Drive concept. CHI will send the SS on a blitz while playing 3 deep, 3 underneath.
vs Fire Zone blitz
You can't see Celek (88) because he's lined up next to big Brown, but he's there.


Hyde identifies the blitzer and picks up the SS. Bourne's drag route draws up the blue LB for Celek to work the area behind the LB.


22

That's just so good.....As soon as the LBer takes the drive, the deep route becomes avail. It's a great concept and it takes a nice throw to hit that. You can wrap this up in so many different ways and Kyle has shown that drive is one of his favorite concepts.

pretty much a basic vertical stretch is it not?

Yeah, you put the weakside LB in conflict in a hi-lo situation. The only way to defeat this conceptbis to have your strongside LB match the in route or allow you free safety to drive on the in route - Seattle will do that from time to time. That's when shanny pairs the drive with the PIN so you get a full 3 level stretch down the middle. We did that early in the year and Hoyer missed Goodwin deep.

Yeah it's a high-lo. It's always been interesting how WCO have used it. Here is what it looked like with Walsh
1985 play book

Finding the winning edge book

Walsh had the drive route as primary and when a back corner route was paired with it it was an alert.

1994 Niners

It's interesting that in the 1994 book all the plays that have a drive concept in them also have a HB corner route and it's listed as primary. I kinda think this had some to do with having Watters at HB and wanting to exploit LBer coverage.

2002 Broncos

A lot of Mike Shanahan drive concept plays have the slot/back corner route opposite of the drive. It appears that it becomes a presnap coverage read as it has a 1 attached to both the corner and drive route.

Wanted to show another first down conversion on 3rd down. This time it was 3rd and 1.



Here Chicago comes out and shows a single safety look. We have 3 receivers to the top and then motion Hyde out wide with Taylor inside him. This spreads the field and gives a more defined look.



On the bottom with Hyde and Taylor we're going to run a double slant concept. The key on this play is it's designed against zone coverage. The QB has to read the outside defender. If he stays put on the 2nd slant, throw the inside or vice versa. Often times you'll see this at the goal-line with a lot of teams and most teams look inside out on the read, but not always. IIRC Indy scored a TD against us with this same concept.

At the top we have a combo we've seen here since the Harbaugh days. curl, fade, curl. We've hit the curl and fade before. Chi shows zone at the bottom and it looks like they're running man coverage to the top - it's most likely a matching zone.



This is what I like to see from a QB, that they can identify the "key" on the play. The spread field does help.



As soon as Taylor crosses the face of the defender King James lets it fly.



What's extra impressive here is how he used his peripheral vision. He locked on to the key defender but he's going to be aware of that MLB. It's a small window closing fast.



These are throws in accuracy that separate NFL QB's. He throws it right between the defenders but slightly behind Taylor so he has the ability to turn around and protect himself from the closing angry beast known as a NFL LBer.

Originally posted by Niners816:
Yeah it's a high-lo. It's always been interesting how WCO have used it. Here is what it looked like with Walsh
1985 play book

Finding the winning edge book

Walsh had the drive route as primary and when a back corner route was paired with it it was an alert.

1994 Niners

It's interesting that in the 1994 book all the plays that have a drive concept in them also have a HB corner route and it's listed as primary. I kinda think this had some to do with having Watters at HB and wanting to exploit LBer coverage.

2002 Broncos

A lot of Mike Shanahan drive concept plays have the slot/back corner route opposite of the drive. It appears that it becomes a presnap coverage read as it has a 1 attached to both the corner and drive route.

I'd imagine the corner route is a man-alert type of thing. You want that route vs man coverage. If it's zone, the drive, if it's man you work the corner to the HB flat.

It's also interesting how each one has the key defender. I've seen some of Shanny sr and Gruden have the key defender as the WILL and others as the SAM or MIKE. Either way, it's a hi/lo read over the middle defender and pick which one you'll read or read both.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Yeah it's a high-lo. It's always been interesting how WCO have used it. Here is what it looked like with Walsh
1985 play book

Finding the winning edge book

Walsh had the drive route as primary and when a back corner route was paired with it it was an alert.

1994 Niners

It's interesting that in the 1994 book all the plays that have a drive concept in them also have a HB corner route and it's listed as primary. I kinda think this had some to do with having Watters at HB and wanting to exploit LBer coverage.

2002 Broncos

A lot of Mike Shanahan drive concept plays have the slot/back corner route opposite of the drive. It appears that it becomes a presnap coverage read as it has a 1 attached to both the corner and drive route.

I'd imagine the corner route is a man-alert type of thing. You want that route vs man coverage. If it's zone, the drive, if it's man you work the corner to the HB flat.

It's also interesting how each one has the key defender. I've seen some of Shanny sr and Gruden have the key defender as the WILL and others as the SAM or MIKE. Either way, it's a hi/lo read over the middle defender and pick which one you'll read or read both.

On the 1994 version, it looks like it's says "vs LBer coverage".....they just assumed a LBer wasn't gonna be able to cover Ricky. We ran so much 21 personnel back then that I'm sure that was the look we'd get a majority of the time. I just thought it was interesting that they assigned a "1" to it and had the drive as "2" and "3".

Edit:I just noticed that on the play I uploaded from 1994 it's the X that's the primary if it's vs LBer coverage. That makes sense too. I've seen versions of both though where in 1994 it had the back corner route as primary.

I just love this sort of stuff.

Originally posted by Niners816:
Yeah it's a high-lo. It's always been interesting how WCO have used it. Here is what it looked like with Walsh
1985 play book

Finding the winning edge book

Walsh had the drive route as primary and when a back corner route was paired with it it was an alert.

1994 Niners

It's interesting that in the 1994 book all the plays that have a drive concept in them also have a HB corner route and it's listed as primary. I kinda think this had some to do with having Watters at HB and wanting to exploit LBer coverage.

2002 Broncos

A lot of Mike Shanahan drive concept plays have the slot/back corner route opposite of the drive. It appears that it becomes a presnap coverage read as it has a 1 attached to both the corner and drive route.

Nitpicking here, but Drive is a Low to High concept. Says so in the play art you posted.
Looking at the drag first in the progression, even versus zone coverage, is done to move the LBs forward, just to open up the TE's In route.

Originally posted by thl408:

Nitpicking here, but Drive is a Low to High concept. Says so in the play art you posted.
Looking at the drag first in the progression, even versus zone coverage, is done to move the LBs forward, just to open up the TE's In route.

....yeah I stated it wrong.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Wanted to show another first down conversion on 3rd down. This time it was 3rd and 1.

Here Chicago comes out and shows a single safety look. We have 3 receivers to the top and then motion Hyde out wide with Taylor inside him. This spreads the field and gives a more defined look.



On the bottom with Hyde and Taylor we're going to run a double slant concept. The key on this play is it's designed against zone coverage. The QB has to read the outside defender. If he stays put on the 2nd slant, throw the inside or vice versa. Often times you'll see this at the goal-line with a lot of teams and most teams look inside out on the read, but not always. IIRC Indy scored a TD against us with this same concept.

At the top we have a combo we've seen here since the Harbaugh days. curl, fade, curl. We've hit the curl and fade before. Chi shows zone at the bottom and it looks like they're running man coverage to the top - it's most likely a matching zone.

This is what I like to see from a QB, that they can identify the "key" on the play. The spread field does help.

As soon as Taylor crosses the face of the defender King James lets it fly.



What's extra impressive here is how he used his peripheral vision. He locked on to the key defender but he's going to be aware of that MLB. It's a small window closing fast.



These are throws in accuracy that separate NFL QB's. He throws it right between the defenders but slightly behind Taylor so he has the ability to turn around and protect himself from the closing angry beast known as a NFL LBer.

Nice cut up that shows a number of things. TT fearless over the middle. I like how JG threw that pass behind TT. I feel it was intentional to protect TT. No need to lead TT head on towards a MLB.
Spread concepts for the quick passing game. This is what NE does with Brady. He has concepts to each side of the field that is an answer for all coverages. It's up to the QB to presnap read and get the ball out fast with 5 man protection and the defense knowing it's a pass play (no RB in backfield). The goal with these spread looks is not to get chunk yards - ball control passing game.

Originally posted by Niners816:

On the 1994 version, it looks like it's says "vs LBer coverage".....they just assumed a LBer wasn't gonna be able to cover Ricky. We ran so much 21 personnel back then that I'm sure that was the look we'd get a majority of the time. I just thought it was interesting that they assigned a "1" to it and had the drive as "2" and "3".

Edit:I just noticed that on the play I uploaded from 1994 it's the X that's the primary if it's vs LBer coverage. That makes sense too. I've seen versions of both though where in 1994 it had the back corner route as primary.

I just love this sort of stuff.

Here's the HB primary vs LBer coverage. Also look at some of the personnel movement within the formation we were using then.