Coaches Film Analysis: 2017 Season

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
Looks like JG's first pass of the Bears game lol.

Perfect ball placement, straight into the ball-boy's bag!

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

This right here, is perfect mechanics...

The stance at pre-snap, the footwork, the wind up, the follow through.



Poetry in motion, baby.

Kaepernick could have been a scary, scary dude had he ever ironed out his mechanics.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

This right here, is perfect mechanics...

The stance at pre-snap, the footwork, the wind up, the follow through.



Poetry in motion, baby.

Kaepernick could have been a scary, scary dude had he ever ironed out his mechanics.

Look how he turned his head and eye f**k Anquan from the snap,for the longest, before he threw that. Jimmy should do that.

Count those steps. That's 3-steps from shotgun, plus 2-hitch steps for a 10 yrd out pattern. Great timing steps. Such a wonder why Boldin isn't open

Lol 3rd and 8 and most the receivers are running 4 yard routes!

Originally posted by socalniner:
Lol 3rd and 8 and most the receivers are running 4 yard routes!

yea, I'm not going to claim that Kap is demonstrating good mechanics on that play, but what is he supposed to do there? Boldin is covered and every other receiver is well short of the first down marker with a defender nearby to make the tackle.

Originally PM'ed by Niners816:
....Kyle told us in the presser yesterday what the call was on the Murphy "catch" that was reviewed and called incomplete in the redzone. I believe he called it "thunder". He said something to the effect "we had a thunder call there"

816, hope you don't mind me posting your PM. More evidence that Kyle's playbook consists of many of his dad's plays.
This is a horizontal stretch all across the LB level. Three step timing, ball control passing game. It's an inside-out read for the QB. What's important here is the H holding the strongside Curl/Flat defender by doing a check-release, as opposed to quickly flaring out to the flat. This keeps the C/F defender towards the middle of the field, and not in the flat blocking the passing lane to the Z.

From 1994 Mike Shanahan playbook (from 816)


Guys to notice are Celek, Hyde, and Murphy.
vs Quarters


The combination of Celek flashing across the C/F defender's face (blue) and Hyde not flaring out keeps blue towards the middle of the field. Clear throwing lane to Murphy.


Pass dropped.

Originally posted by thl408:

Thanks for that answer because I wasn't going to touch that question. Brady and Rodgers do the same thing (left foot in front when in the gun). The bolded is important since a QB in shotgun has to look at the Center's butt to receive the snap instead of keeping his eyes on the field to spot any late presnap movement from the defense (like he would when under center).

Bumped because it's on topic. I wonder how much experience JG has executing playaction when turning his back to the defense.

That's a good question. I checked on Brady's gun splits at currently he's at 75% gun pass attempts. I'm gonna assume that probably reflects the ratio Jimmy was exposed to in NE. Also, if the it's correct he was in an air raid type offense in college then I'd venture a guess he was in the gun at least 95% of the time.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally PM'ed by Niners816:
....Kyle told us in the presser yesterday what the call was on the Murphy "catch" that was reviewed and called incomplete in the redzone. I believe he called it "thunder". He said something to the effect "we had a thunder call there"

816, hope you don't mind me posting your PM. More evidence that Kyle's playbook consists of many of his dad's plays.
This is a horizontal stretch all across the LB level. Three step timing, ball control passing game. It's an inside-out read for the QB. What's important here is the H holding the strongside Curl/Flat defender by doing a check-release, as opposed to quickly flaring out to the flat. This keeps the C/F defender towards the middle of the field, and not in the flat blocking the passing lane to the Z.

From 1994 Mike Shanahan playbook (from 816)


Guys to notice are Celek, Hyde, and Murphy.
vs Quarters


The combination of Celek flashing across the C/F defender's face (blue) and Hyde not flaring out keeps blue towards the middle of the field. Clear throwing lane to Murphy.


Pass dropped.

No problem at all

Originally posted by Niners816:
No problem at all

The difference in formation between the 1994 playart and the play cutup (Murphy drop) is a good example of how the split/flat backfield has died off due to the emergence of the slot WR. On the play, Juice moves to 'slot WR' so he can get a "head start" on his route to the flat.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Niners816:

No problem at all

The difference in formation between the 1994 playart and the play cutup (Murphy drop) is a good example of how the split/flat backfield has died off due to the emergence of the slot WR. On the play, Juice moves to 'slot WR' so he can get a "head start" on his route to the flat.

You know what's funny about it? I've got like 8-9 games from 1994 on my CPU and have watched them in the last year or so. We didn't run as much split back as I recalled. Don't get me wrong, we ran it along with far and near a bunch but before being able to rewatch the games my impression was it was much bigger than it actually was. We'd run a ton of 21 but at the snap the formation after shifts and motion would look like a 3 wide type form.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jgarf08:
That's a little bit different than most teach it, but in essence it is what's called a read step. I teach it to my QB's, it was a big Jeff Tedford thing, I don't remember Tom Martinez ever coaching it but I could be wrong there.

The way I teach it is we start with our feet even, or with the plant foot (left foot for right handed QB) slightly staggered, but never past the right heel.

Our first movement is a 6 inch step with the left foot then we get into our drop. Similar with what JG is doing in at least what he's trying to accomplish.

It keeps the QB's shoulders square a split second longer allowing him to see late movement/pressure from the defense, and also doesn't dictate to the defense immediately a half field read in quick game which I like.
I feel like it also gives you a little more momentum to get into the drop and gives you more depth, but that's not as important out of Gun.

So that's basically the idea here, but taught a little bit differently, doesn't look like he's using a rhythmic drop out of gun, you don't see rhythmic drops out of Gun often in the NFL, which I think is weird, but QB fundamentals/mechanics in the NFL is pretty irrelevant.

Thanks for that answer because I wasn't going to touch that question. Brady and Rodgers do the same thing (left foot in front when in the gun). The bolded is important since a QB in shotgun has to look at the Center's butt to receive the snap instead of keeping his eyes on the field to spot any late presnap movement from the defense (like he would when under center).

Originally posted by Niners816:
I think in the Jimmy G thread there was a sentiment that it seemed like Jimmy G was in the shotgun more than usual. Beathard attempted passes from the gun 65% of the time. So far Jimmy G is at 67%. These numbers are in line with Kyle's offenses the last couple of years (66% in '15 & 61% in '16).

Fwiw, Jimmy G is 12 for 13 undercenter.

Bumped because it's on topic. I wonder how much experience JG has executing playaction when turning his back to the defense.

so you were just going to ignore me?

Originally posted by jgarf08:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
Random question here thl, or for JD, or the offensive coordinator dude that contributes here now...;

not sure how to word it and ask, but what is the reason for JG having his left foot in front of him before he takes the snap? I think Rodgers and Alex both do that as well. and then when the ball is snapped, his drop back doesn't actually begin until his feet are next to each other and re-sync. like he does that for an extra "push" off before actually starting his drop back? didnt know how to word this. just curious.

if any of that made sense...

That's a little bit different than most teach it, but in essence it is what's called a read step. I teach it to my QB's, it was a big Jeff Tedford thing, I don't remember Tom Martinez ever coaching it but I could be wrong there.

The way I teach it is we start with our feet even, or with the plant foot (left foot for right handed QB) slightly staggered, but never past the right heel.

Our first movement is a 6 inch step with the left foot then we get into our drop. Similar with what JG is doing in at least what he's trying to accomplish.

It keeps the QB's shoulders square a split second longer allowing him to see late movement/pressure from the defense, and also doesn't dictate to the defense immediately a half field read in quick game which I like.
I feel like it also gives you a little more momentum to get into the drop and gives you more depth, but that's not as important out of Gun.

So that's basically the idea here, but taught a little bit differently, doesn't look like he's using a rhythmic drop out of gun, you don't see rhythmic drops out of Gun often in the NFL, which I think is weird, but QB fundamentals/mechanics in the NFL is pretty irrelevant.

thank you for the answer much appreciated.

Alex I remember actually SWITCHED his feet when Harbaugh got here. Before harbaugh got here his right foot would be in front. When Harbaugh arrived his left foot, like Rodgers was planted/staggered in front.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
This right here, is perfect mechanics...

The stance at pre-snap, the footwork, the wind up, the follow through.



Poetry in motion, baby.

Kaepernick could have been a scary, scary dude had he ever ironed out his mechanics.

Look how he turned his head and eye f**k Anquan from the snap,for the longest, before he threw that. Jimmy should do that.

Count those steps. That's 3-steps from shotgun, plus 2-hitch steps for a 10 yrd out pattern. Great timing steps. Such a wonder why Boldin isn't open

actually it was 5-steps from the gun. with the last 2 being a 'hop'/gather steps

Haha we have a franchise QB and here we are breaking down Kaps game film.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Haha we have a franchise QB and here we are breaking down Kaps game film.

I'm just going to pretend that after Jeff Garcia was gone, this team just ran the ball 100% of the time up until they traded for Garoppolo.