**THE OFFICIAL ''REFEREES SCREWED US '' THREAD 2017/18 EDITION

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Tonight that was a routine route run by Taylor. There's absolutely no justification for offensive PI at all, unless another camera angle shows an egregious push off by Taylor, which I really don't believe took place.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying the (alleged) hold on Sherman was as bad at the Taylor call. I think the Taylor call was really bad -- egregious, even (although as others have said, I would like to see it from another angle).

However, in fairness, I don't think a lot of the calls you listed were as bad as the Taylor call either. Take the Brooks hit on Brees, for example. I don't think that should have been a penalty, but Brees looked like Stretch Arm Strong on that play. I could totally see how, in real time -- not with the benefit of seeing a replay a bunch of times -- that it looked like roughing the passer to the refs.

Again, part of acknowledging these calls is that they are made in a split-second without the benefit of replay. That's where human error comes into play. After watching the Taylor play many times I don't think it looks like a penalty, but maybe from another angle it's a little more incriminating.

Originally posted by theduke85:

Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying the (alleged) hold on Sherman was as bad at the Taylor call. I think the Taylor call was really bad -- egregious, even (although as others have said, I would like to see it from another angle).

However, in fairness, I don't think a lot of the calls you listed were as bad as the Taylor call either. Take the Brooks hit on Brees, for example. I don't think that should have been a penalty, but Brees looked like Stretch Arm Strong on that play. I could totally see how, in real time -- not with the benefit of seeing a replay a bunch of times -- that it looked like roughing the passer to the refs.

Again, part of acknowledging these calls is that they are made in a split-second without the benefit of replay. That's where human error comes into play. After watching the Taylor play many times I don't think it looks like a penalty, but maybe from another angle it's a little more incriminating.

Which is why the need to be allowed to be reviewed.

However, we know the NFL would never allow that as it would mean the league can't shield the refs anymore.

The day Jeff Triplett is no longer an official will be a happy day. The man's been a screw up for damn near 20 years now.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

or the missed calls, the micromanaged calls, the phantom calls, or the incompetence that gave the Rams a TD in which they didn't deserve.... Sure, it's ok to give a team a 7pt advantage because the refs don't know how to do their job right. I swear, I'm talking to another trent baalke...

That's as insulting as saying both sides of fans are being Grant Cohns (analyzing a play and telling everyone what the coaches or player should do instead when they don't even know the call/assignment to begin with). Be careful or hurt feels. Just looking out.

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Tonight that was a routine route run by Taylor. There's absolutely no justification for offensive PI at all, unless another camera angle shows an egregious push off by Taylor, which I really don't believe took place.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying the (alleged) hold on Sherman was as bad at the Taylor call. I think the Taylor call was really bad -- egregious, even (although as others have said, I would like to see it from another angle).

However, in fairness, I don't think a lot of the calls you listed were as bad as the Taylor call either. Take the Brooks hit on Brees, for example. I don't think that should have been a penalty, but Brees looked like Stretch Arm Strong on that play. I could totally see how, in real time -- not with the benefit of seeing a replay a bunch of times -- that it looked like roughing the passer to the refs.

Again, part of acknowledging these calls is that they are made in a split-second without the benefit of replay. That's where human error comes into play. After watching the Taylor play many times I don't think it looks like a penalty, but maybe from another angle it's a little more incriminating.

Idk man. I try to be level-headed in situations like this but I've become jaded. We've lost too many games the past 5 years or so due to human error in the key moments. I personally would rather see a bad no-call than a bad call. Kind of like the NBA, which bring its own set of frustrations, but I now understand why they tend to swallow the whistle late in games. Let the players decide it unless someone does something stupid.

Originally posted by linkboy:

Originally posted by theduke85:
Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying the (alleged) hold on Sherman was as bad at the Taylor call. I think the Taylor call was really bad -- egregious, even (although as others have said, I would like to see it from another angle).

However, in fairness, I don't think a lot of the calls you listed were as bad as the Taylor call either. Take the Brooks hit on Brees, for example. I don't think that should have been a penalty, but Brees looked like Stretch Arm Strong on that play. I could totally see how, in real time -- not with the benefit of seeing a replay a bunch of times -- that it looked like roughing the passer to the refs.

Again, part of acknowledging these calls is that they are made in a split-second without the benefit of replay. That's where human error comes into play. After watching the Taylor play many times I don't think it looks like a penalty, but maybe from another angle it's a little more incriminating.

Which is why the need to be allowed to be reviewed.

However, we know the NFL would never allow that as it would mean the league can't shield the refs anymore.

The day Jeff Triplett is no longer an official will be a happy day. The man's been a screw up for damn near 20 years now.

Would love to see this.

And enough with having to get both reviews correct to get a third bite at the apple. If you get it right, you should be allowed another. If you get more than one call reversed, you should get to punch a random official in the temple

Originally posted by SofaKing:

50/50 call to me at best. Watching the vid provides better context than the still image. VD gets away with a slight hold.

Tonight that was a routine route run by Taylor. There's absolutely no justification for offensive PI at all, unless another camera angle shows an egregious push off by Taylor, which I really don't believe took place.

Even if the all22 shows an arm extended, in no way or fashion does it throw off the coverage of him...no stumble, no immediate change of direction, etc. Nothing... absolutely nothing.

But the arm bar on Celek for 15 yards in the EZ with a ref directly across in plain view is perfectly fine.

Originally posted by linkboy:
Which is why the need to be allowed to be reviewed.

However, we know the NFL would never allow that as it would mean the league can't shield the refs anymore.

The day Jeff Triplett is no longer an official will be a happy day. The man's been a screw up for damn near 20 years now.

They really do need to make every play reviewable. The game won't be slowed down if they still limit teams to 2 or 3 challenges a game.

If they can determine whether the ball touched the ground or not, they can determine if there was a hold, push off, or helmet to helmet contact. No reason why it can't be done with this technology.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SofaKing:
50/50 call to me at best. Watching the vid provides better context than the still image. VD gets away with a slight hold.

Tonight that was a routine route run by Taylor. There's absolutely no justification for offensive PI at all, unless another camera angle shows an egregious push off by Taylor, which I really don't believe took place.

Even if the all22 shows an arm extended, in no way or fashion does it throw off the coverage of him...no stumble, no immediate change of direction, etc. Nothing... absolutely nothing.

But the arm bar on Celek for 15 yards in the EZ with a ref directly across in plain view is perfectly fine.

Yup. Its the inconsistency and their propensity to make the worst call at the worst time thats infuriating.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

They really do need to make every play reviewable. The game won't be slowed down if they still limit teams to 2 or 3 challenges a game.

If they can determine whether the ball touched the ground or not, they can determine if there was a hold, push off, or helmet to helmet contact. No reason why it can't be done with this technology.

The NFL won't let the refs discuss plays and blown calls. The last thing they're going to do is give coaches the ability to override the refs on the field.

The league puts a huge ass shield over the officials and they're not held accountable for anything.

It's a joke.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Yup. Its the inconsistency and their propensity to make the worst call at the worst time thats infuriating.

This...how many times have we gone through this?

Originally posted by linkboy:
The NFL won't let the refs discuss plays and blown calls. The last thing they're going to do is give coaches the ability to override the refs on the field.

The league puts a huge ass shield over the officials and they're not held accountable for anything.

It's a joke.

Part of the problem is that the NFL is too stingy to hire the refs full time.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by linkboy:
The NFL won't let the refs discuss plays and blown calls. The last thing they're going to do is give coaches the ability to override the refs on the field.

The league puts a huge ass shield over the officials and they're not held accountable for anything.

It's a joke.

Part of the problem is that the NFL is too stingy to hire the refs full time.

They have full time refs now

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000849086/article/rams-withstand-49ers-2ndhalf-comeback-in-thriller

4. The Niners have a discipline problem. San Francisco racked up 10 penalties, the last of which was the most crucial. On a third-down conversion following an onside kick recovery, Taylor was tagged with a questionable offensive pass interference penalty, pushing the Niners back into their own territory and out of contention.

Yeah... it's the 49ers that have a problem. Bite me NFL.

Originally posted by Jasta:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000849086/article/rams-withstand-49ers-2ndhalf-comeback-in-thriller

4. The Niners have a discipline problem. San Francisco racked up 10 penalties, the last of which was the most crucial. On a third-down conversion following an onside kick recovery, Taylor was tagged with a questionable offensive pass interference penalty, pushing the Niners back into their own territory and out of contention.

Yeah... it's the 49ers that have a problem. Bite me NFL.

Yeah, I don't get what their point is. We had issues with penalties going back to pre-season, true. Taylor did nothing wrong tho, even the article states it was a questionable call. If anything, we found our discipline in crunch time and were about to win the game until a bad call hijacked it from us.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by mutant-man49:

Originally posted by vamphunter23:
he made up for his bad play, by making a good one....understand now?

Say the flag wasn't thrown, how are you so certain Gould makes the game winning field goal. You're assuming Hoyer doesn't screw up game of the next few plays, we don't get called for a penalty and most of all, assuming Gould makes a pressure kick when he just shanked a no pressure EP.

Yup it's the refs fault!

yes, it's the refs fault because we earned that first down to possibly win or lose the game.
You sound as if you have money on a certain player in the draft.

No I'm just not one of those simpleminded fans who thought this was a 6-8 win squad. Sounds like talking to couple of this right now.