San Franciso 49ers vs Phildelphia Eagles - 2017 Week 8

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

Originally posted by Watsonville49er:

Originally posted by Regina:

Originally posted by Ladoskiwoski:
I don't think Beathard is the answer

He is the answer to this question

Who should be the starting qb for the remainder of the 9ers season ?

#suckforrosen

Rosen sucks

J.T. Barrett. I've only ever seen him for one quarter and I'm sold - the 4th qtr against Penn St. 16 straight completions, 84% passing, 328 yds., 4 TDs, plus 45 rushing? Not against Sisters of the Poor, either, that was against the #2 team in the country. BAM! I'm sold.

Draft him, a couple Gs, a T, a C, and throw in as many top flight O-linemen (probably only 1 or 2) available in FA and let's talk about it next year at this time.

Tag you're it!

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by Sourball:
I like Hyde and Beathard, but how different would the game have gone if they would have connected on that first couple of 3rd down passes and been able to score a TD and get some confidence?
They were hanging tough until Johnsons PI in the endzone that sort of deflated the defense. IT was like, Here we go again. Intensity appeared to be lacking after that.
If they could find a way to score early and get up by 10 or so, they might not feel the game spiraling away and lose hope and pack it in at the first sign of resistance.
Next week for sure!

The passes weren't the best, but Hyde needs to pull those in. I agree, it would've built confidence for sure. I'd like to see Brieda more often in the passing game.

No they weren't perfect but they were in reach of both hands. If your in the NFL and part of your job is catching passes you gotta bring those in. Great QB's in this league are so because they have consistent WR around them. Could the balls be placed better? Absolutely, but I can't and don't need to tell you guys how many times recievers for Brady, Brees, Big Ben, Cam, or anybody else come down with really tough catches several times every game. If it hits your hands in the NFL your expected to bring it in. Oh and this goes for Hoyer too. These WR left him out to dry several times before his benching.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Bill bird, i have to disagree with you and a host of other fans who thinks CJ isn't the one. How can YOU say that based on last two games when the kid got ZERO, none, NADA. In the way of protection. Thru 34 passes in 3rd qtr, CJ was sacked 4 times, hurried 9 times, and hit 21 times. And then it got worse. So how on earth can you or anyone make a decision on CJ based on these two games? Seriously, how? There is no way to rate a qB based on the zero blocking of our OL. Fusco, bad, Magnus equally so, beadles worst, and kilgore worst yet. YOu just cannot judge a QB when the OL stinks to high heaven. WEll, now we know where to pick first....OL. all the WRs in the world will not help make a QB fantastic...he OL has to be serviceable and and ours was not today. For second game in a row. So until we get an OL, let's keep discussion of CJ a secret until we have a passable OL. right now we do not. And until we do we cannot get an accurate reading on our new Qb. I don't know if he is or isn't. But until the OL can bloc , any rating of CJ is worthless.

Beathard has a long way to go before he's ready to become a quality NFL starter. OL issues aside, his footwork is a mess and has been since Day 1. He routinely throws behind his receivers, even when he has time in the pocket and has a tendency to hold on to the football too long going back to his college days. You can't completely excuse his issues as a result of the OL. He comes with a lot of warts and I'm not confident that he ever amounts to anything more than a decent backup. I hope he gets the rest of the season to show what he can do but my guess is that the 49ers are dropping a ton of money on Cousins in the offseason or they are using an early draft pick on a quarterback.

You can evaluate a QB, even if their OL isn't perfect. Good QB's will still flash, will still make big plays and throw accurately with good ball placement on a somewhat consistent basis. Poor QB's, well, they will further exacerbate the existing OL issues.

PHX the only thing wrong with that is CJ was getting the snap, dropped back and by his 3rd step he had usually 1 but frequenlty two DTs in his grill. And there is no way to rate a qB like that. No question his passes are off mark but usually he is under duress and that makes it hard to even stand up back there. He was hit or sacked or hurried on virtually every pass play. Ad running plays ended up wtih 2 DTs taking them 2 yds behind LOS. I just don't see a way to see if CJ is the guy or not if we cannot protect him better than that. Right now, he has no protection behind the LOS. NONE; So once that is taken care of, i am fine with whatever he shows. But today was disgraceful with our QB being pummeled every damn snap . He has to get a little bit of time to throw. He had none....none. Right now any grading of him would be just guessing. I hope like all get out that kyle figures out a way to judge him. Because he may be great, but we would never know that being behind this OL. NEVER. Others want to cut him loose already. I just want to see him play behind a functional OL...and havent seen that here this yr yet.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Bill bird, i have to disagree with you and a host of other fans who thinks CJ isn't the one. How can YOU say that based on last two games when the kid got ZERO, none, NADA. In the way of protection. Thru 34 passes in 3rd qtr, CJ was sacked 4 times, hurried 9 times, and hit 21 times. And then it got worse. So how on earth can you or anyone make a decision on CJ based on these two games? Seriously, how? There is no way to rate a qB based on the zero blocking of our OL. Fusco, bad, Magnus equally so, beadles worst, and kilgore worst yet. YOu just cannot judge a QB when the OL stinks to high heaven. WEll, now we know where to pick first....OL. all the WRs in the world will not help make a QB fantastic...he OL has to be serviceable and and ours was not today. For second game in a row. So until we get an OL, let's keep discussion of CJ a secret until we have a passable OL. right now we do not. And until we do we cannot get an accurate reading on our new Qb. I don't know if he is or isn't. But until the OL can bloc , any rating of CJ is worthless.

Beathard has a long way to go before he's ready to become a quality NFL starter. OL issues aside, his footwork is a mess and has been since Day 1. He routinely throws behind his receivers, even when he has time in the pocket and has a tendency to hold on to the football too long going back to his college days. You can't completely excuse his issues as a result of the OL. He comes with a lot of warts and I'm not confident that he ever amounts to anything more than a decent backup. I hope he gets the rest of the season to show what he can do but my guess is that the 49ers are dropping a ton of money on Cousins in the offseason or they are using an early draft pick on a quarterback.

You can evaluate a QB, even if their OL isn't perfect. Good QB's will still flash, will still make big plays and throw accurately with good ball placement on a somewhat consistent basis. Poor QB's, well, they will further exacerbate the existing OL issues.

PHX the only thing wrong with that is CJ was getting the snap, dropped back and by his 3rd step he had usually 1 but frequenlty two DTs in his grill. And there is no way to rate a qB like that. No question his passes are off mark but usually he is under duress and that makes it hard to even stand up back there. He was hit or sacked or hurried on virtually every pass play. Ad running plays ended up wtih 2 DTs taking them 2 yds behind LOS. I just don't see a way to see if CJ is the guy or not if we cannot protect him better than that. Right now, he has no protection behind the LOS. NONE; So once that is taken care of, i am fine with whatever he shows. But today was disgraceful with our QB being pummeled every damn snap . He has to get a little bit of time to throw. He had none....none. Right now any grading of him would be just guessing. I hope like all get out that kyle figures out a way to judge him. Because he may be great, but we would never know that being behind this OL. NEVER. Others want to cut him loose already. I just want to see him play behind a functional OL...and havent seen that here this yr yet.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

You're basing your entire view of a player on one game? He threw for 330 yards and 2 TD's. How many more yards would he have had to have thrown for in order for you to be impressed?

I don't know about you, but I'll happily take 330 yards passing and 3 TD's(2 passing, 1 rushing) from my QB every game.

I'm basing my opinion on the fact that he barely beat a winless team who had a rookie QB and a defense who is ranked very low on the list. I'm basing it on the fact that the skins are now 3-4 because they lost to the Cowboys today at home. He's good, not elite, not big money worthy. Why did the skins not lock him in if he's so great? We don't know for sure because neither of us are in their front office but you have not offered an answer to my two questions.

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

J.T. Barrett. I've only ever seen him for one quarter and I'm sold

JT Barrett is not an NFL QB by any stretch of the imagination. OSU fans wanted him benched just a few weeks ago. If he's lucky he transitions successfully to WR.

Originally posted by NC49er:

I'm basing my opinion on the fact that he barely beat a winless team who had a rookie QB and a defense who is ranked very low on the list. I'm basing it on the fact that the skins are now 3-4 because they lost to the Cowboys today at home. He's good, not elite, not big money worthy. Why did the skins not lock him in if he's so great? We don't know for sure because neither of us are in their front office but you have not offered an answer to my two questions.

They have a long track record of doing really dumb stuff? No other team would have put themselves in the position that Washington has, facing the possibility of their franchise QB walking while in his prime.


I'll take a Cousins anyday. You can win a SB with that guy but you can't do it with a garbage defense and no run game like the Redskins have been trying to do.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

PHX the only thing wrong with that is CJ was getting the snap, dropped back and by his 3rd step he had usually 1 but frequenlty two DTs in his grill. And there is no way to rate a qB like that. No question his passes are off mark but usually he is under duress and that makes it hard to even stand up back there. He was hit or sacked or hurried on virtually every pass play. Ad running plays ended up wtih 2 DTs taking them 2 yds behind LOS. I just don't see a way to see if CJ is the guy or not if we cannot protect him better than that. Right now, he has no protection behind the LOS. NONE; So once that is taken care of, i am fine with whatever he shows. But today was disgraceful with our QB being pummeled every damn snap . He has to get a little bit of time to throw. He had none....none. Right now any grading of him would be just guessing. I hope like all get out that kyle figures out a way to judge him. Because he may be great, but we would never know that being behind this OL. NEVER. Others want to cut him loose already. I just want to see him play behind a functional OL...and havent seen that here this yr yet.

Sorry, I have to disagree. You can't just ignore a guy making piss poor throws because he happens to be under pressure a lot. You can still evaluate a QB and get a grasp of what they can and cannot do, even with poor OL issues. Beathard has time to progress but nothing he has done thus far makes me think this is a budding franchise QB in anyway.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NC49er:

I'm basing my opinion on the fact that he barely beat a winless team who had a rookie QB and a defense who is ranked very low on the list. I'm basing it on the fact that the skins are now 3-4 because they lost to the Cowboys today at home. He's good, not elite, not big money worthy. Why did the skins not lock him in if he's so great? We don't know for sure because neither of us are in their front office but you have not offered an answer to my two questions.

They have a long track record of doing really dumb stuff? No other team would have put themselves in the position that Washington has, facing the possibility of their franchise QB walking while in his prime.


I'll take a Cousins anyday. You can win a SB with that guy but you can't do it with a garbage defense and no run game like the Redskins have been trying to do.

Go to a Redskins forum, they will give you Cousins for a bag of chips if you can answer why he threw a check down with under a minute left that got pick 6'd.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:
J.T. Barrett. I've only ever seen him for one quarter and I'm sold

JT Barrett is not an NFL QB by any stretch of the imagination. OSU fans wanted him benched just a few weeks ago. If he's lucky he transitions successfully to WR.

Not an NFL QB? I love your reasoning. OSU fans weren't happy after their ONLY loss of the season. Did you see him against Penn St.? Unbelievable accuracy for a college QB.

Kirk Cousins is not an NFL QB. Redskins fans aren't happy. See how that works? Did you see Cousins hold onto the ball, hold it, hold it, hold it, until he got strip sacked by an all-out Cowboy blitz while he had an open receiver downfield? There's a reason the Skins offense struggled today again and they're 3-4 and going to miss the playoffs again. Yet you're running this full-time campaign to get him this offseason despite the cost. How much? $30 mil/yr. for 6 years? He'll throw for 4000 yards!!!!!! Like he'd gladly give up all playoff hopes for a couple years. AZ maybe...

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

They have a long track record of doing really dumb stuff? No other team would have put themselves in the position that Washington has, facing the possibility of their franchise QB walking while in his prime. There are plenty of teams who we fans think make dumb moves. Our 49ers come to mind, the Browns, Chargers, Giants etc.


I'll take a Cousins anyday. You can win a SB with that guy but you can't do it with a garbage defense and no run game like the Redskins have been trying to do.

Maybe. Maybe not. I liken KC to Alex Smith. Alex has not led or won a SB with a great Day and good running game. On the other hand Trent Dilhole sucked and won a SB with the Ravens. I would not credit him as winning it, more so that he did minimal and didn't screw it up. I am not going to change your mind on KC and vice versa. I'm just saying I don't think he's worth the costs and we'd be better spending that $ elsewhere, you think the opposite way. We will see what happens next year. If he comes to the 49ers and proves my view wrong I will admit I was wrong but if he does not live up to the big contract he would get I would expect the same from you.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:
J.T. Barrett. I've only ever seen him for one quarter and I'm sold

JT Barrett is not an NFL QB by any stretch of the imagination. OSU fans wanted him benched just a few weeks ago. If he's lucky he transitions successfully to WR.

good god

Originally posted by RTFirefly:
Not an NFL QB? I love your reasoning.

He just isn't, same way Troy Smith wasn't an NFL QB, Terrelle Pryor wasn't an NFL QB, Braxton Miller wasn't an NFL QB and Cardale Jones will also flush out of the NFL in short order. Its not even an Ohio State thing its just that the school has a history of finding guys who fit well in their offense but don't translate well to the next level.

We've seen QB's win national championships, win the Heisman, put up amazing numbers against the best defenses in football and still wind up being drafted late or going undrafted at all. You can kill it in college and still lack the physical tools and instincts to play at the NFL level. That is pretty much where Barrett is at.

If you want to continue this discussion we can take it to the draft forum.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:
J.T. Barrett. I've only ever seen him for one quarter and I'm sold

JT Barrett is not an NFL QB by any stretch of the imagination. OSU fans wanted him benched just a few weeks ago. If he's lucky he transitions successfully to WR.

good god

Yeah, 16 straight completions to finish the game, 84% completions, 328 yds. and 4 TDs against the #2 team in the country. He should play wide receiver.

He had 45 yards rushing and he's black, y'know.