Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

I think the point of Garoppolo not having game experience is huge. He's been in the league a while but has played only 10 games. You JUST. CAN'T. LEARN. Enough of what works vs. what doesn't in that span of time. Jimmy could be elite but it could be another year or two before we start seeing his full potential.

It sucks, as Shanny said, that he could get those reps last year so he could click with the new weapons we have now. There's not much we can do to accelerate the process, it just has to happen. Keep him healthy, build our weak areas, and hopefully he's grown enough for us to start really contending in 2020 and beyond.

This year, we may get back on our defense and Jimmy's above average abilities alone, despite inexperience. But making the playoffs still is a big challenge and uphill battle.

Yeah, suks that Jimmy got injured but he's young - under 30 - not a has been. As you said, we got Bosa because of that injury. That might have almost compensated the 49ers for Jimmy's injury.

Also the new playmakers on the offense will help accelerate Jimmy's recovery, in that it's not all on Jimmy. Kittle had a ton of RAC's, and I'm betting deebo and Hurd are going to get some more. In other words, if Jimmy can just get some completions that just might be good enough this year, versus a 100% healthy Jimmy last year but without all the playmakers around him.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

playing jimmy against 2's and scrubs is dumb, hes not gonna play a whole lineup of 2's and scrubs come week 1 and beyond. You start him obviously and if KC sits their starters out and you still want him playing then i'll have no issue with that

No, i said playing jimmy against DEN 1s was not a good idea. He went from not playing against anyone other than our own D to playing against the toughest, meanest , fastest 3 DLinemen in the league. We all saw what happened, and in the one or two quick shots of JGs face, he looked shellshocked. Anybody else's 1s, I agree. AGainst DEN 1s. Nope. I would have given that "honor" to CJ or Mullie. THEN put JG in when 2s came in. Kyle made the mistake of starting him against DEN 1s. By the 6th play he realized his mistake and took him out... it was the right thing to do . Only if he had kept him out initially would it have been better.

Everyone knows how fast the play is compared to college. Well recently jimmy was surgerized, and then on IR. Been a yr since he saw real action. And you want to bring him back against the toughest , fastest DL out there? Coaching miscalculation,. Kyle didn't realize he took jimmy from zero to 250 mph for his first test of fire. That was not thot out well. Getting him out after 6-7 plays tho? That was a good idea to make up for his bad idea of starting JG against those 3 guys.

And kyle saw it, make no mistake. He realized he goofed up and did the right thing. JG was NOT going to get better against those 3 guys. Not for his first time out.

It will come for Jimmy. But ease him into it. NFL is a fast game. Chubb, Harris and von miller are a completely different speed , however. Off the chart fast , strong and mean.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
There were 5 culprits in Jimmy's NFL PS opener Flop.

1 . First and foremost., was unquestionably the OL. And not just the interiors, either, altho they were horrid. OTs didn't shine either.

2. Chubb, Harris and von mIller. ...those guys all came with everything they have and all 3 are likely all pros this yr. Against our 1s they were terrors.

3. Kyle...for not foreseeing #2. He knew those 3 guys (assuming Von M played) would bring the heat. So, instead of showing how well he can scheme ,he should have been thinking, "get the ball out ASAP, and faster than FAST" ...or JG was going to get clobbered. HC has as much liability here as anybody.

4. JL + Kyle for not having better talent on the interior OL. We went WRs instead of OGs(Risner) and that was by choice. Protecting your QB is more important. I know, i know, Hurd and Deebo were supposed to make up for no interior OL starters, and get open quick. Well, that didn't happen. Chub , Harris and VON m. Were a lot faster than Debo and Hurd.

5. Finally jimmy. After the first two plays, he should have come to sideline and said, "Coach, we need quick hitters, as DEN big 3 are killing us and they are fast as greased lightning. His hesitation, slowness in getting ball out, uncertainty...really kyle should have anticipated all those things and should have called plays accordingly. Like 3 or 4 running plays wouldn't have been a bad idea. But calling for plays that take a while to open up? Bad idea. Oh, and yes, jimmy was rusty. A better idea might have been to play him against the DEN 2s. It would have built up his confidence as our 2s and 3s were way better than DEN.

I would push for Kyle NOT starting JG, and instead bringing him in against the opponent's 2s on Sat. I know it wont' happen that way, but i really think it should. Get him acclimated. Then start him. Just not on Saturday. Get him PT against the 2s, not the 1s. Just for one week.

Excellent post - You NAILED it!

Originally posted by boast:

#49ers coach Kyle Shanahan says QB Jimmy Garoppolo will likely play through first half and possibly a bit more in Saturday's preseason game against Kansas City. Will depend on how things go and play count.

— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) August 22, 2019

If Jimmy puts together two scoring drives in the first half, Shanny will pull him before the 1st half ends.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

There were 5 culprits in Jimmy's NFL PS opener Flop.

1 . First and foremost., was unquestionably the OL. And not just the interiors, either, altho they were horrid. OTs didn't shine either.

2. Chubb, Harris and von mIller. ...those guys all came with everything they have and all 3 are likely all pros this yr. Against our 1s they were terrors.

3. Kyle...for not foreseeing #2. He knew those 3 guys (assuming Von M played) would bring the heat. So, instead of showing how well he can scheme ,he should have been thinking, "get the ball out ASAP, and faster than FAST" ...or JG was going to get clobbered. HC has as much liability here as anybody.

4. JL + Kyle for not having better talent on the interior OL. We went WRs instead of OGs(Risner) and that was by choice. Protecting your QB is more important. I know, i know, Hurd and Deebo were supposed to make up for no interior OL starters, and get open quick. Well, that didn't happen. Chub , Harris and VON m. Were a lot faster than Debo and Hurd.

5. Finally jimmy. After the first two plays, he should have come to sideline and said, "Coach, we need quick hitters, as DEN big 3 are killing us and they are fast as greased lightning. His hesitation, slowness in getting ball out, uncertainty...really kyle should have anticipated all those things and should have called plays accordingly. Like 3 or 4 running plays wouldn't have been a bad idea. But calling for plays that take a while to open up? Bad idea. Oh, and yes, jimmy was rusty. A better idea might have been to play him against the DEN 2s. It would have built up his confidence as our 2s and 3s were way better than DEN.

I would push for Kyle NOT starting JG, and instead bringing him in against the opponent's 2s on Sat. I know it wont' happen that way, but i really think it should. Get him acclimated. Then start him. Just not on Saturday. Get him PT against the 2s, not the 1s. Just for one week.

Vic Fangio isn't some chump change coach either. He's easily one of the best defensive coaches there is, not many are better. I'd say he's up there with Bellicheat from a defensive point of view. We will see if he can draft and operate an offense, as a head coach, but as a DC, I'd have loved for him to be our DC. The only thing I don't like about him is him not playing the rookies enough.

Originally posted by boast:

#49ers coach Kyle Shanahan says QB Jimmy Garoppolo will likely play through first half and possibly a bit more in Saturday's preseason game against Kansas City. Will depend on how things go and play count.

— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) August 22, 2019

good!

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by boast:

#49ers coach Kyle Shanahan says QB Jimmy Garoppolo will likely play through first half and possibly a bit more in Saturday's preseason game against Kansas City. Will depend on how things go and play count.

— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) August 22, 2019

If Jimmy puts together two scoring drives in the first half, Shanny will pull him before the 1st half ends.

I'd pull him after one scoring drive.

Just so people know...this statistic is one of the best ways to gauge if an offense is good or not.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

There were 5 culprits in Jimmy's NFL PS opener Flop.

1 . First and foremost., was unquestionably the OL. And not just the interiors, either, altho they were horrid. OTs didn't shine either.

2. Chubb, Harris and von mIller. ...those guys all came with everything they have and all 3 are likely all pros this yr. Against our 1s they were terrors.

3. Kyle...for not foreseeing #2. He knew those 3 guys (assuming Von M played) would bring the heat. So, instead of showing how well he can scheme ,he should have been thinking, "get the ball out ASAP, and faster than FAST" ...or JG was going to get clobbered. HC has as much liability here as anybody.

4. JL + Kyle for not having better talent on the interior OL. We went WRs instead of OGs(Eisner) and that was by choice. Protecting your QB is more important. I know, i know, Hurd and Deebo were supposed to make up for no interior OL starters, and get open quick. Well, that didn't happen. Chub , Harris and VON m. Were a lot faster than Debo and Hurd.

5. Finally jimmy. After the first two plays, he should have come to sideline and said, "Coach, we need quick hitters, as DEN big 3 are killing us and they are fast as greased lightning. His hesitation, slowness in getting ball out, uncertainty...really kyle should have anticipated all those things and should have called plays accordingly. Like 3 or 4 running plays wouldn't have been a bad idea. But calling for plays that take a while to open up? Bad idea. Oh, and yes, jimmy was rusty. A better idea might have been to play him against the DEN 2s. It would have built up his confidence as our 2s and 3s were way better than DEN.

I would push for Kyle NOT starting JG, and instead bringing him in against the opponent's 2s on Sat. I know it wont' happen that way, but i really think it should. Get him acclimated. Then start him. Just not on Saturday. Get him PT against the 2s, not the 1s. Just for one week.

It sounds like you don't have confidence in Jimmy, because you're asking for him to be coddled. Kyle has seen Jimmy everyday in practice for the last month. He's seen every practice snap that he has taken. Based on what he has seen, Kyle did not think Jimmy needed to be coddled or given only a steady dose of basic high percentage throws.

Nope, quite the opposite. Letting jimmyG start against the toughest, fastest, meanest line in NFL...Chubb, Harris, von MIller...really in retrospect was a bad idea. Hadn't played against competition except his own D for over a yr...and now to be turned loose against CHubb et al? That was very poorly thot thru by our HC. I love kyle and want him here forever. But that doesn't meant he can just be our OC. He has to be HC also. And a good HC would have sized up that DEN DLine, and said, "this would be a good time to let Mullie or CJ play against DEN 1s. " ....unless, Kyle had no idea just how good that DL was . And that is flat out foolish. He knows what those 3 guys can do. Going from playing against middling D to the tops in the league? That is a step too far. IMO.

He just watched Jimmy and his o-line start against that d-line in practice for 2 days. He knew what they were going up against. He obviously saw enough in practice to have confidence that Jimmy and the o-line could handle the job. What kind of message would starting Mullens or CJ have sent to his o-line and his QB? That he doesn't think they're good enough? We can't coddle Jimmy if he's healthy enough to play. If he's truly a franchise QB, then he can handle being thrown into the fire against a top d-line. And he probably would have done fine were it not for a few miscommunications by the o-line.

Shanahan never planned to have Jimmy out there more than 2-3 drives, so saying he realized his mistake and then pulled Jimmy isn't accurate. He was never going to keep playing him.

Here's that link I was talking about regarding his passing attempts

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

He just watched Jimmy and his o-line start against that d-line in practice for 2 days. He knew what they were going up against. He obviously saw enough in practice to have confidence that Jimmy and the o-line could handle the job. What kind of message would starting Mullens or CJ have sent to his o-line and his QB? That he doesn't think they're good enough? We can't coddle Jimmy if he's healthy enough to play. If he's truly a franchise QB, then he can handle being thrown into the fire against a top d-line. And he probably would have done fine were it not for a few miscommunications by the o-line.

Shanahan never planned to have Jimmy out there more than 2-3 drives, so saying he realized his mistake and then pulled Jimmy isn't accurate. He was never going to keep playing him.

Agreed

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by boast:

#49ers coach Kyle Shanahan says QB Jimmy Garoppolo will likely play through first half and possibly a bit more in Saturday's preseason game against Kansas City. Will depend on how things go and play count.

— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) August 22, 2019

If Jimmy puts together two scoring drives in the first half, Shanny will pull him before the 1st half ends.

I'd pull him after one scoring drive.

Think he needs the whole half at least. If he scores great but hgetting playing time is the most important thing. He also needs to take a hit or two and get up.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
playing jimmy against 2's and scrubs is dumb, hes not gonna play a whole lineup of 2's and scrubs come week 1 and beyond. You start him obviously and if KC sits their starters out and you still want him playing then i'll have no issue with that

No, i said playing jimmy against DEN 1s was not a good idea. He went from not playing against anyone other than our own D to playing against the toughest, meanest , fastest 3 DLinemen in the league. We all saw what happened, and in the one or two quick shots of JGs face, he looked shellshocked. Anybody else's 1s, I agree. AGainst DEN 1s. Nope. I would have given that "honor" to CJ or Mullie. THEN put JG in when 2s came in. Kyle made the mistake of starting him against DEN 1s. By the 6th play he realized his mistake and took him out... it was the right thing to do . Only if he had kept him out initially would it have been better.

Everyone knows how fast the play is compared to college. Well recently jimmy was surgerized, and then on IR. Been a yr since he saw real action. And you want to bring him back against the toughest , fastest DL out there? Coaching miscalculation,. Kyle didn't realize he took jimmy from zero to 250 mph for his first test of fire. That was not thot out well. Getting him out after 6-7 plays tho? That was a good idea to make up for his bad idea of starting JG against those 3 guys.

And kyle saw it, make no mistake. He realized he goofed up and did the right thing. JG was NOT going to get better against those 3 guys. Not for his first time out.

It will come for Jimmy. But ease him into it. NFL is a fast game. Chubb, Harris and von miller are a completely different speed , however. Off the chart fast , strong and mean.

kyle didnt take Jimmy out because he made a "mistake" at playing him in the first place dude. jimmy was never going to play more than 2 series no matter what. that's how the first preseason game always is with your starter if their playing...

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:
He just watched Jimmy and his o-line start against that d-line in practice for 2 days. He knew what they were going up against. He obviously saw enough in practice to have confidence that Jimmy and the o-line could handle the job. What kind of message would starting Mullens or CJ have sent to his o-line and his QB? That he doesn't think they're good enough? We can't coddle Jimmy if he's healthy enough to play. If he's truly a franchise QB, then he can handle being thrown into the fire against a top d-line. And he probably would have done fine were it not for a few miscommunications by the o-line.

Shanahan never planned to have Jimmy out there more than 2-3 drives, so saying he realized his mistake and then pulled Jimmy isn't accurate. He was never going to keep playing him.

Agreed

it's not even an opinion. it's a fact that Jimmy was only going to play 1-2 drives his first preseason game. idk why people are making it out to be that Shanahan pulled him because he was playing bad or Denver was too 'scary' this is how preseason always is