49ers Pro Football Focus 2017 Scores

This should give us pause on Colbert. FS is one of the hardest positions to evaluate on TV because they're rarely on the screen. And while Colbert has a good grade and has seemed to play well, we are far from "set" at the position like many people think - PFF considers him to be an average starter. I'm fine with him entering camp as the starter and competing but we shouldn't avoid taking someone like Minkah Fitzpatrick if he falls to us.

Originally posted by Draftology:

This should give us pause on Colbert. FS is one of the hardest positions to evaluate on TV because they're never on the screen. And while Colbert has a good grade, we are far from "set" at the position like many people think - PFF considers him to be an average starter. I'm fine with him entering camp as the starter and competing but we shouldn't avoid taking someone like Minkah Fitzpatrick if he falls to us.

He is a 7th round rookie who wad forced to start and played lights out.

I have no concerns with him at FS

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

He is a 7th round rookie who wad forced to start and played lights out.

I have no concerns with him at FS

Him being a 7th rd pick has nothing to do if he should be the starter moving forward...

Originally posted by Draftology:

Him being a 7th rd pick has nothing to do if he should be the starter moving forward...

Him coming in and playing lights out when all he was expected to do was play special teams as a 7th rounder means everything.

The dude was given his chance and he ran with it.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by Draftology:

Him being a 7th rd pick has nothing to do if he should be the starter moving forward...

Him coming in and playing lights out when all he was expected to do was play special teams as a 7th rounder means everything.

The dude was given his chance and he ran with it.

I agree with almost all of that. All I'm saying is that the perception is that he played lights out. The reality is that he played very well. Not well enough to have that position locked down and to go into camp as the unquestioned starter.

Foster and Buckner will anchor this D for years, their scores seem right on

How did hyde rank vs the other rbs? Do they subtract for forced timeouts used by foster?

Originally posted by Draftology:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by Draftology:
Him being a 7th rd pick has nothing to do if he should be the starter moving forward...

Him coming in and playing lights out when all he was expected to do was play special teams as a 7th rounder means everything.

The dude was given his chance and he ran with it.

I agree with almost all of that. All I'm saying is that the perception is that he played lights out. The reality is that he played very well. Not well enough to have that position locked down and to go into camp as the unquestioned starter.

I agree with my boy, Young. He was ARGUABLY the team's best safety in 2017. He will get a starting safety position, especially since Reid is on his way out, Jimmy Ward cannot stay healthy, and Tartt was hurt last year as well. The fact that he was a 7th rounder makes this story even more incredible.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by pdizo916:
lmao @ armstead with a 78 rating.

Solomon Thomas seems about right. He was borderline useless.....Kilgore useless.

Wow 52 for thomas. that's low.

And how is tartt getting more points than polo?

Because its harder for a QB to get good grades than a S. Its more relative to position.

Because Jimmy G threw some meaningless and reckless interceptions.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

I agree with my boy, Young. He was ARGUABLY the team's best safety in 2017. He will get a starting safety position, especially since Reid is on his way out, Jimmy Ward cannot stay healthy, and Tartt was hurt last year as well. The fact that he was a 7th rounder makes this story even more incredible.

So if Minkah Fitzpatrick is available at our pick, you pass on him because we have Colbert?

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

How did hyde rank vs the other rbs? Do they subtract for forced timeouts used by foster?

Bad. Really bad. 55th among RB's who had enough snaps to qualify. Running the ball he was a respectable 76.7, but his pass blocking and receiving scores were awful. 35.0 receiving score, 28.5 pass blocking score.

PFF is more meaningful at the beginning of the season than toward the end. The reason I say that is because as the season goes along, a player's performance may rise or fall relative to the rest of the year. What you want to know is; was he improving as the season went along, or getting worse.

For example, at the 6 game mark, Daniel Kilgore was #34. By the end of the season, he had risen to #25. That obviously shows improvement but now you have to mirror the quality of the opponent, etc., etc.

In the end, it has the most value when trying to compare players at the same position.

Originally posted by Draftology:

Originally posted by pdizo916:
I agree with my boy, Young. He was ARGUABLY the team's best safety in 2017. He will get a starting safety position, especially since Reid is on his way out, Jimmy Ward cannot stay healthy, and Tartt was hurt last year as well. The fact that he was a 7th rounder makes this story even more incredible.

So if Minkah Fitzpatrick is available at our pick, you pass on him because we have Colbert?

Last time I checked, the 49ers started two safeties. While I like Tartt, can he handle full time duties?

To answer your question, I generally like teams to draft BPA. So yes, I would select him.

Originally posted by dj43:
PFF is more meaningful at the beginning of the season than toward the end. The reason I say that is because as the season goes along, a player's performance may rise or fall relative to the rest of the year. What you want to know is; was he improving as the season went along, or getting worse.

For example, at the 6 game mark, Daniel Kilgore was #34. By the end of the season, he had risen to #25. That obviously shows improvement but now you have to mirror the quality of the opponent, etc., etc.

In the end, it has the most value when trying to compare players at the same position.

i agree with DJ. I want to see improvement. Cody Whitehair was rated fairly low according to PFF. However, I think he's ranked #10 now. He had a slow start but climbed into respectability.

Originally posted by dj43:

PFF is more meaningful at the beginning of the season than toward the end. The reason I say that is because as the season goes along, a player's performance may rise or fall relative to the rest of the year. What you want to know is; was he improving as the season went along, or getting worse.

For example, at the 6 game mark, Daniel Kilgore was #34. By the end of the season, he had risen to #25. That obviously shows improvement but now you have to mirror the quality of the opponent, etc., etc.

In the end, it has the most value when trying to compare players at the same position.

Interesting point.