49ers Secondary

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Charvarius Ward has been the talk of TC. I have heard players say that he is sticky in coverage. I have also read some practice transcripts and sounds like he is getting his hands in there to break up passes on the regular. Seems like it has been forever since we have had a CB of this caliber this early in their career.

I decided to look back at his numbers from last year. I wanted an idea of who he had his best games against and his worst games against. I created those charts based on passer rating. Before I drop the charts below I wanted to make a note of a few things.

Ward missed 4 games last season. He had 11 games where he had a 80 or less passer rating against him and 10 games that were less than 65. He only had 5 games where he had a 100 or higher passer rating against him. He had 1 game where he gave up more than 70 yards. He had 2 other notable games that were solid but didn't make the chart. Those games were week 13 against DEN and week 15 against LAC.

Great stuff. Nice insight YAC!

It's impossible to not be excited about him and how he's rubbing off on others already.

One thing about playing on defense with the Chiefs, they can have a lot of explosive scoring. Which is great. But the flip side is it puts a ton of stress on the secondary immediately after that as teams play in catch-up mode and take more chances.

That's a big reason he might have been slightly under the radar but also is a bigger reason to get excited about him and his numbers under that stress.

Look at the passing offenses he went against last season. GB, BUF, DAL and LAC. He had solid games in them all. 4 of his 5 worst games, he gave up less than 70 yards. He did give up a TD in 4 of his 5 worst games though. I don't know what part of the field the TD's were all given up but at least 1 was a 42 yarder.

That was my first thought --- those are successful pass centric teams!

I would say that signing him to the 14th highest CB contract in the league was a steal. I wonder why he went under the radar and why KC didn't throw more money at him in an attempt to keep him?

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
When Jason Verrett comes back Full strength, does he or Moseley play in the slot?

Moseley

Why Moseley?

Slot requires more physicality and has more run fit responsibilities. Plus he's one of the most legit outside CBs when healthy something Eman has never been

They both have spent around the same amount of snaps at SCB. Verrett is the better tackler and they both grade out about the same in run defense. But perhaps with Verrett's durability issues, maybe it is best to have Emman play in the slot.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
When Jason Verrett comes back Full strength, does he or Moseley play in the slot?

Moseley

Why Moseley?

Slot requires more physicality and has more run fit responsibilities. Plus he's one of the most legit outside CBs when healthy something Eman has never been

They both have spent around the same amount of snaps at SCB. Verrett is the better tackler and they both grade out about the same in run defense. But perhaps with Verrett's durability issues, maybe it is best to have Emman play in the slot.

Yeah thats my main concern with putting JV inside.

I like when Verrett moved inside before the snap to cover Hopkins. I wonder if they'll have Ward stay on the left side and if the WR1 is on Verrett/Moseley's side, if Verrett will cover him no matter if they are inside or out?

Jason Verrett's stats week 16 2020 @ AZ

7 tackles
1 miss
2 stops
10 targets
6 catches
33 yards
0 touchdowns
0 interceptions
1 pass break up
65.8 passer rating

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Charvarius Ward has been the talk of TC. I have heard players say that he is sticky in coverage. I have also read some practice transcripts and sounds like he is getting his hands in there to break up passes on the regular. Seems like it has been forever since we have had a CB of this caliber this early in their career.

I decided to look back at his numbers from last year. I wanted an idea of who he had his best games against and his worst games against. I created those charts based on passer rating. Before I drop the charts below I wanted to make a note of a few things.

Ward missed 4 games last season. He had 11 games where he had a 80 or less passer rating against him and 10 games that were less than 65. He only had 5 games where he had a 100 or higher passer rating against him. He had 1 game where he gave up more than 70 yards. He had 2 other notable games that were solid but didn't make the chart. Those games were week 13 against DEN and week 15 against LAC.

Great stuff. Nice insight YAC!

It's impossible to not be excited about him and how he's rubbing off on others already.

One thing about playing on defense with the Chiefs, they can have a lot of explosive scoring. Which is great. But the flip side is it puts a ton of stress on the secondary immediately after that as teams play in catch-up mode and take more chances.

That's a big reason he might have been slightly under the radar but also is a bigger reason to get excited about him and his numbers under that stress.

Look at the passing offenses he went against last season. GB, BUF, DAL and LAC. He had solid games in them all. 4 of his 5 worst games, he gave up less than 70 yards. He did give up a TD in 4 of his 5 worst games though. I don't know what part of the field the TD's were all given up but at least 1 was a 42 yarder.

That was my first thought --- those are successful pass centric teams!

I would say that signing him to the 14th highest CB contract in the league was a steal. I wonder why he went under the radar and why KC didn't throw more money at him in an attempt to keep him?

Hard to say. Maybe the league overlooked a gem on a defense because it gave up 364 points? But likely, because he's only generated like 2 takeaways in his career. I joked at first saying he was a perfect fit here. Ha

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Charvarius Ward has been the talk of TC. I have heard players say that he is sticky in coverage. I have also read some practice transcripts and sounds like he is getting his hands in there to break up passes on the regular. Seems like it has been forever since we have had a CB of this caliber this early in their career.

I decided to look back at his numbers from last year. I wanted an idea of who he had his best games against and his worst games against. I created those charts based on passer rating. Before I drop the charts below I wanted to make a note of a few things.

Ward missed 4 games last season. He had 11 games where he had a 80 or less passer rating against him and 10 games that were less than 65. He only had 5 games where he had a 100 or higher passer rating against him. He had 1 game where he gave up more than 70 yards. He had 2 other notable games that were solid but didn't make the chart. Those games were week 13 against DEN and week 15 against LAC.

Great stuff. Nice insight YAC!

It's impossible to not be excited about him and how he's rubbing off on others already.

One thing about playing on defense with the Chiefs, they can have a lot of explosive scoring. Which is great. But the flip side is it puts a ton of stress on the secondary immediately after that as teams play in catch-up mode and take more chances.

That's a big reason he might have been slightly under the radar but also is a bigger reason to get excited about him and his numbers under that stress.

Look at the passing offenses he went against last season. GB, BUF, DAL and LAC. He had solid games in them all. 4 of his 5 worst games, he gave up less than 70 yards. He did give up a TD in 4 of his 5 worst games though. I don't know what part of the field the TD's were all given up but at least 1 was a 42 yarder.

That was my first thought --- those are successful pass centric teams!

I would say that signing him to the 14th highest CB contract in the league was a steal. I wonder why he went under the radar and why KC didn't throw more money at him in an attempt to keep him?

Hard to say. Maybe the league overlooked a gem on a defense because it gave up 364 points? But likely, because he's only generated like 2 takeaways in his career. I joked at first saying he was a perfect fit here. Ha

A corner's primary job is to lock up the guy in front of him.

If you want to talk about a corner who gets those int's that you seem to covet, they come with a price. With a guy like Diggs, you get those int's but you also give up 7× 40+ yard receptions, 2 of which were 70+ yards. In the playoffs against us when they needed his playmaking ability the most. he had 0 int's in that game and gave up a 37 yard reception.

Ward gave up 3× 40+ yard receptions and none over 43 yards last season, including 3 playoff games. 2 of those 40+ yarders were in the 1st 2 weeks of the season. His longest reception in 3 playoff games was 22 yards.

I would rather have a corner who consistently locks down his guy than someone who only makes plays in the regular season against poor QB's.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Charvarius Ward has been the talk of TC. I have heard players say that he is sticky in coverage. I have also read some practice transcripts and sounds like he is getting his hands in there to break up passes on the regular. Seems like it has been forever since we have had a CB of this caliber this early in their career.

I decided to look back at his numbers from last year. I wanted an idea of who he had his best games against and his worst games against. I created those charts based on passer rating. Before I drop the charts below I wanted to make a note of a few things.

Ward missed 4 games last season. He had 11 games where he had a 80 or less passer rating against him and 10 games that were less than 65. He only had 5 games where he had a 100 or higher passer rating against him. He had 1 game where he gave up more than 70 yards. He had 2 other notable games that were solid but didn't make the chart. Those games were week 13 against DEN and week 15 against LAC.

Great stuff. Nice insight YAC!

It's impossible to not be excited about him and how he's rubbing off on others already.

One thing about playing on defense with the Chiefs, they can have a lot of explosive scoring. Which is great. But the flip side is it puts a ton of stress on the secondary immediately after that as teams play in catch-up mode and take more chances.

That's a big reason he might have been slightly under the radar but also is a bigger reason to get excited about him and his numbers under that stress.

Look at the passing offenses he went against last season. GB, BUF, DAL and LAC. He had solid games in them all. 4 of his 5 worst games, he gave up less than 70 yards. He did give up a TD in 4 of his 5 worst games though. I don't know what part of the field the TD's were all given up but at least 1 was a 42 yarder.

That was my first thought --- those are successful pass centric teams!

I would say that signing him to the 14th highest CB contract in the league was a steal. I wonder why he went under the radar and why KC didn't throw more money at him in an attempt to keep him?

Hard to say. Maybe the league overlooked a gem on a defense because it gave up 364 points? But likely, because he's only generated like 2 takeaways in his career. I joked at first saying he was a perfect fit here. Ha

A corner's primary job is to lock up the guy in front of him.

If you want to talk about a corner who gets those int's that you seem to covet, they come with a price. With a guy like Diggs, you get those int's but you also give up 7× 40+ yard receptions, 2 of which were 70+ yards. In the playoffs against us when they needed his playmaking ability the most. he had 0 int's in that game and gave up a 37 yard reception.

Ward gave up 3× 40+ yard receptions and none over 43 yards last season, including 3 playoff games. 2 of those 40+ yarders were in the 1st 2 weeks of the season. His longest reception in 3 playoff games was 22 yards.

I would rather have a corner who consistently locks down his guy than someone who only makes plays in the regular season against poor QB's.

Oh I agree. I had Ward in my bucket of targets too.

You asked why he might have gone under the radar so I was throwing out some thoughts. Yeah, that's why J.C. Jackson got the coin.

Personally, behind our DL, I don't know how the secondary is setting records for lowest TO's and why annually, they're so low.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Charvarius Ward has been the talk of TC. I have heard players say that he is sticky in coverage. I have also read some practice transcripts and sounds like he is getting his hands in there to break up passes on the regular. Seems like it has been forever since we have had a CB of this caliber this early in their career.

I decided to look back at his numbers from last year. I wanted an idea of who he had his best games against and his worst games against. I created those charts based on passer rating. Before I drop the charts below I wanted to make a note of a few things.

Ward missed 4 games last season. He had 11 games where he had a 80 or less passer rating against him and 10 games that were less than 65. He only had 5 games where he had a 100 or higher passer rating against him. He had 1 game where he gave up more than 70 yards. He had 2 other notable games that were solid but didn't make the chart. Those games were week 13 against DEN and week 15 against LAC.

Great stuff. Nice insight YAC!

It's impossible to not be excited about him and how he's rubbing off on others already.

One thing about playing on defense with the Chiefs, they can have a lot of explosive scoring. Which is great. But the flip side is it puts a ton of stress on the secondary immediately after that as teams play in catch-up mode and take more chances.

That's a big reason he might have been slightly under the radar but also is a bigger reason to get excited about him and his numbers under that stress.

Look at the passing offenses he went against last season. GB, BUF, DAL and LAC. He had solid games in them all. 4 of his 5 worst games, he gave up less than 70 yards. He did give up a TD in 4 of his 5 worst games though. I don't know what part of the field the TD's were all given up but at least 1 was a 42 yarder.

That was my first thought --- those are successful pass centric teams!

I would say that signing him to the 14th highest CB contract in the league was a steal. I wonder why he went under the radar and why KC didn't throw more money at him in an attempt to keep him?

Hard to say. Maybe the league overlooked a gem on a defense because it gave up 364 points? But likely, because he's only generated like 2 takeaways in his career. I joked at first saying he was a perfect fit here. Ha

A corner's primary job is to lock up the guy in front of him.

If you want to talk about a corner who gets those int's that you seem to covet, they come with a price. With a guy like Diggs, you get those int's but you also give up 7× 40+ yard receptions, 2 of which were 70+ yards. In the playoffs against us when they needed his playmaking ability the most. he had 0 int's in that game and gave up a 37 yard reception.

Ward gave up 3× 40+ yard receptions and none over 43 yards last season, including 3 playoff games. 2 of those 40+ yarders were in the 1st 2 weeks of the season. His longest reception in 3 playoff games was 22 yards.

I would rather have a corner who consistently locks down his guy than someone who only makes plays in the regular season against poor QB's.

Oh I agree. I had Ward in my bucket of targets too.

You asked why he might have gone under the radar so I was throwing out some thoughts. Yeah, that's why J.C. Jackson got the coin.

Personally, behind our DL, I don't know how the secondary is setting records for lowest TO's and why annually, they're so low.

I was just looking at J.C. Jackson. A majority of his int's last season came against scrub QB's also. He got torched in the playoffs this past post season and had 0 int's in that game as well. If the rest of the league wants to pay a premium for "playmaking CB's" who don't make plays when it matters most, I will gladly take the better coverage guy at a bargain price.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Charvarius Ward has been the talk of TC. I have heard players say that he is sticky in coverage. I have also read some practice transcripts and sounds like he is getting his hands in there to break up passes on the regular. Seems like it has been forever since we have had a CB of this caliber this early in their career.

I decided to look back at his numbers from last year. I wanted an idea of who he had his best games against and his worst games against. I created those charts based on passer rating. Before I drop the charts below I wanted to make a note of a few things.

Ward missed 4 games last season. He had 11 games where he had a 80 or less passer rating against him and 10 games that were less than 65. He only had 5 games where he had a 100 or higher passer rating against him. He had 1 game where he gave up more than 70 yards. He had 2 other notable games that were solid but didn't make the chart. Those games were week 13 against DEN and week 15 against LAC.

Great stuff. Nice insight YAC!

It's impossible to not be excited about him and how he's rubbing off on others already.

One thing about playing on defense with the Chiefs, they can have a lot of explosive scoring. Which is great. But the flip side is it puts a ton of stress on the secondary immediately after that as teams play in catch-up mode and take more chances.

That's a big reason he might have been slightly under the radar but also is a bigger reason to get excited about him and his numbers under that stress.

Look at the passing offenses he went against last season. GB, BUF, DAL and LAC. He had solid games in them all. 4 of his 5 worst games, he gave up less than 70 yards. He did give up a TD in 4 of his 5 worst games though. I don't know what part of the field the TD's were all given up but at least 1 was a 42 yarder.

That was my first thought --- those are successful pass centric teams!

I would say that signing him to the 14th highest CB contract in the league was a steal. I wonder why he went under the radar and why KC didn't throw more money at him in an attempt to keep him?

Hard to say. Maybe the league overlooked a gem on a defense because it gave up 364 points? But likely, because he's only generated like 2 takeaways in his career. I joked at first saying he was a perfect fit here. Ha

A corner's primary job is to lock up the guy in front of him.

If you want to talk about a corner who gets those int's that you seem to covet, they come with a price. With a guy like Diggs, you get those int's but you also give up 7× 40+ yard receptions, 2 of which were 70+ yards. In the playoffs against us when they needed his playmaking ability the most. he had 0 int's in that game and gave up a 37 yard reception.

Ward gave up 3× 40+ yard receptions and none over 43 yards last season, including 3 playoff games. 2 of those 40+ yarders were in the 1st 2 weeks of the season. His longest reception in 3 playoff games was 22 yards.

I would rather have a corner who consistently locks down his guy than someone who only makes plays in the regular season against poor QB's.

Oh I agree. I had Ward in my bucket of targets too.

You asked why he might have gone under the radar so I was throwing out some thoughts. Yeah, that's why J.C. Jackson got the coin.

Personally, behind our DL, I don't know how the secondary is setting records for lowest TO's and why annually, they're so low.

I was just looking at J.C. Jackson. A majority of his int's last season came against scrub QB's also. He got torched in the playoffs this past post season and had 0 int's in that game as well. If the rest of the league wants to pay a premium for "playmaking CB's" who don't make plays when it matters most, I will gladly take the better coverage guy at a bargain price.

I agree. Like a pass rusher, I'd take an ER who can consistently get pressure over a string of sacks and then disappear. Same concept with coverage.

The exciting part is the defense has already generated 12 INT's, 1 more than all last years camp. The tide might be turning!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Charvarius Ward has been the talk of TC. I have heard players say that he is sticky in coverage. I have also read some practice transcripts and sounds like he is getting his hands in there to break up passes on the regular. Seems like it has been forever since we have had a CB of this caliber this early in their career.

I decided to look back at his numbers from last year. I wanted an idea of who he had his best games against and his worst games against. I created those charts based on passer rating. Before I drop the charts below I wanted to make a note of a few things.

Ward missed 4 games last season. He had 11 games where he had a 80 or less passer rating against him and 10 games that were less than 65. He only had 5 games where he had a 100 or higher passer rating against him. He had 1 game where he gave up more than 70 yards. He had 2 other notable games that were solid but didn't make the chart. Those games were week 13 against DEN and week 15 against LAC.

Great stuff. Nice insight YAC!

It's impossible to not be excited about him and how he's rubbing off on others already.

One thing about playing on defense with the Chiefs, they can have a lot of explosive scoring. Which is great. But the flip side is it puts a ton of stress on the secondary immediately after that as teams play in catch-up mode and take more chances.

That's a big reason he might have been slightly under the radar but also is a bigger reason to get excited about him and his numbers under that stress.

Look at the passing offenses he went against last season. GB, BUF, DAL and LAC. He had solid games in them all. 4 of his 5 worst games, he gave up less than 70 yards. He did give up a TD in 4 of his 5 worst games though. I don't know what part of the field the TD's were all given up but at least 1 was a 42 yarder.

That was my first thought --- those are successful pass centric teams!

I would say that signing him to the 14th highest CB contract in the league was a steal. I wonder why he went under the radar and why KC didn't throw more money at him in an attempt to keep him?

Hard to say. Maybe the league overlooked a gem on a defense because it gave up 364 points? But likely, because he's only generated like 2 takeaways in his career. I joked at first saying he was a perfect fit here. Ha

A corner's primary job is to lock up the guy in front of him.

If you want to talk about a corner who gets those int's that you seem to covet, they come with a price. With a guy like Diggs, you get those int's but you also give up 7× 40+ yard receptions, 2 of which were 70+ yards. In the playoffs against us when they needed his playmaking ability the most. he had 0 int's in that game and gave up a 37 yard reception.

Ward gave up 3× 40+ yard receptions and none over 43 yards last season, including 3 playoff games. 2 of those 40+ yarders were in the 1st 2 weeks of the season. His longest reception in 3 playoff games was 22 yards.

I would rather have a corner who consistently locks down his guy than someone who only makes plays in the regular season against poor QB's.

Oh I agree. I had Ward in my bucket of targets too.

You asked why he might have gone under the radar so I was throwing out some thoughts. Yeah, that's why J.C. Jackson got the coin.

Personally, behind our DL, I don't know how the secondary is setting records for lowest TO's and why annually, they're so low.

I was just looking at J.C. Jackson. A majority of his int's last season came against scrub QB's also. He got torched in the playoffs this past post season and had 0 int's in that game as well. If the rest of the league wants to pay a premium for "playmaking CB's" who don't make plays when it matters most, I will gladly take the better coverage guy at a bargain price.

I agree. Like a pass rusher, I'd take an ER who can consistently get pressure over a string of sacks and then disappear. Same concept with coverage.

The exciting part is the defense has already generated 12 INT's, 1 more than all last years camp. The tide might be turning!

It might be. However, it is just practice and our previous QB wasn't one to sling it all over the field either. But don't get me wrong. I would love an overall increase in the defense's int's.

Never fear - DJs here.

Originally posted by Crown:
Never fear - DJs here.

The savior

Originally posted by Baldie:

Originally posted by Crown:
Never fear - DJs here.

The savior

Jimmie ward says he locks down receivers and tight ends and no one will get over 50 on him. LOL

Originally posted by dayday44:
Jimmie ward says he locks down receivers and tight ends and no one will get over 50 on him. LOL

Him, Warner, and Greenlaw are getting on my nerves.