49ers Secondary

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
My early camp projection for the DBs on the final 53.

CB Charvarius Ward
CB Emmanuel Moseley
CB Darqueze Dennard
CB Ambry Thomas
CB Samuel Womack III
CB Deommodore Lenoir
CB Tariq Castro-Fields
FS Jimmie Ward
FS Tarvarius Moore
SS Talanoa Hufanga
SS George Odum

Jason Verrett starts on PUP.

That looks spot on to me. And there's been a couple slips of JV practicing in a few weeks. Keep an eye on that.

I hope they keep TCF, something about him makes me think he will succeed.

Charvarius Ward has been the talk of TC. I have heard players say that he is sticky in coverage. I have also read some practice transcripts and sounds like he is getting his hands in there to break up passes on the regular. Seems like it has been forever since we have had a CB of this caliber this early in their career.

I decided to look back at his numbers from last year. I wanted an idea of who he had his best games against and his worst games against. I created those charts based on passer rating. Before I drop the charts below I wanted to make a note of a few things.

Ward missed 4 games last season. He had 11 games where he had a 80 or less passer rating against him and 10 games that were less than 65. He only had 5 games where he had a 100 or higher passer rating against him. He had 1 game where he gave up more than 70 yards. He had 2 other notable games that were solid but didn't make the chart. Those games were week 13 against DEN and week 15 against LAC.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
It's going to be nice to know we don't have a starting CB teams can try to pick on.

Nickel?

Very fair. It sounds like it's Dennard vs. Womack

Lenoir has been outside.

you have been s**tting on lenoir for years around here

For years? This is Lenoir's second year in the NFL.

not even a full second

nc gets it. you guys have zero sense of humor

NC was s**tting on Lenoir when Lenoir was in college? I don't get it.

LMAO. The claim I "s**t on" the OL for years was just making its way over here with a little cciowa ironic humor.

ah ok. I can't tell when cc is being funny on purpose

neither can cc

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Charvarius Ward has been the talk of TC. I have heard players say that he is sticky in coverage. I have also read some practice transcripts and sounds like he is getting his hands in there to break up passes on the regular. Seems like it has been forever since we have had a CB of this caliber this early in their career.

I decided to look back at his numbers from last year. I wanted an idea of who he had his best games against and his worst games against. I created those charts based on passer rating. Before I drop the charts below I wanted to make a note of a few things.

Ward missed 4 games last season. He had 11 games where he had a 80 or less passer rating against him and 10 games that were less than 65. He only had 5 games where he had a 100 or higher passer rating against him. He had 1 game where he gave up more than 70 yards. He had 2 other notable games that were solid but didn't make the chart. Those games were week 13 against DEN and week 15 against LAC.

Great stuff. Nice insight YAC!

It's impossible to not be excited about him and how he's rubbing off on others already.

One thing about playing on defense with the Chiefs, they can have a lot of explosive scoring. Which is great. But the flip side is it puts a ton of stress on the secondary immediately after that as teams play in catch-up mode and take more chances.

That's a big reason he might have been slightly under the radar but also is a bigger reason to get excited about him and his numbers under that stress.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by cciowa:
everyone says huff is slow,, if i recall,, tim mcdonald was slow as hell but he did the job and did it very very well. now had we not cut lott we would not have had to sign tim but thats beside the point. he was very good despite being slow.

You nailed it!

They [whoever "They" are] also said Jerry Rice was slow.

yes,, i forgot about that!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Charvarius Ward has been the talk of TC. I have heard players say that he is sticky in coverage. I have also read some practice transcripts and sounds like he is getting his hands in there to break up passes on the regular. Seems like it has been forever since we have had a CB of this caliber this early in their career.

I decided to look back at his numbers from last year. I wanted an idea of who he had his best games against and his worst games against. I created those charts based on passer rating. Before I drop the charts below I wanted to make a note of a few things.

Ward missed 4 games last season. He had 11 games where he had a 80 or less passer rating against him and 10 games that were less than 65. He only had 5 games where he had a 100 or higher passer rating against him. He had 1 game where he gave up more than 70 yards. He had 2 other notable games that were solid but didn't make the chart. Those games were week 13 against DEN and week 15 against LAC.

Great stuff. Nice insight YAC!

It's impossible to not be excited about him and how he's rubbing off on others already.

One thing about playing on defense with the Chiefs, they can have a lot of explosive scoring. Which is great. But the flip side is it puts a ton of stress on the secondary immediately after that as teams play in catch-up mode and take more chances.

That's a big reason he might have been slightly under the radar but also is a bigger reason to get excited about him and his numbers under that stress.

Look at the passing offenses he went against last season. GB, BUF, DAL and LAC. He had solid games in them all. 4 of his 5 worst games, he gave up less than 70 yards. He did give up a TD in 4 of his 5 worst games though. I don't know what part of the field the TD's were all given up but at least 1 was a 42 yarder.

When Jason Verrett comes back Full strength, does he or Moseley play in the slot?

Originally posted by YACBros85:
When Jason Verrett comes back Full strength, does he or Moseley play in the slot?

Moseley

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
When Jason Verrett comes back Full strength, does he or Moseley play in the slot?

Moseley

Why Moseley?

Originally posted by YACBros85:
When Jason Verrett comes back Full strength, does he or Moseley play in the slot?

Hopefully verrett. So if(when) he gets hurt again Moseley can continue on without switching spots

Ward played more "island" man than any CB last year. His stats don't reflect his ability. 9er's defense under Shanny has been mainly zone. I hope his signing will be a change to more bump and run. Aggressive, disturb the route as the pass rush rattles the QB.

Originally posted by endcapitalism:
Ward played more "island" man than any CB last year. His stats don't reflect his ability. 9er's defense under Shanny has been mainly zone. I hope his signing will be a change to more bump and run. Aggressive, disturb the route as the pass rush rattles the QB.

Do you see Ward sticking to one side or do you think he will follow the offenses #1 around?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
When Jason Verrett comes back Full strength, does he or Moseley play in the slot?

Moseley

Why Moseley?

Slot requires more physicality and has more run fit responsibilities. Plus he's one of the most legit outside CBs when healthy something Eman has never been

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Charvarius Ward has been the talk of TC. I have heard players say that he is sticky in coverage. I have also read some practice transcripts and sounds like he is getting his hands in there to break up passes on the regular. Seems like it has been forever since we have had a CB of this caliber this early in their career.

I decided to look back at his numbers from last year. I wanted an idea of who he had his best games against and his worst games against. I created those charts based on passer rating. Before I drop the charts below I wanted to make a note of a few things.

Ward missed 4 games last season. He had 11 games where he had a 80 or less passer rating against him and 10 games that were less than 65. He only had 5 games where he had a 100 or higher passer rating against him. He had 1 game where he gave up more than 70 yards. He had 2 other notable games that were solid but didn't make the chart. Those games were week 13 against DEN and week 15 against LAC.

Great stuff. Nice insight YAC!

It's impossible to not be excited about him and how he's rubbing off on others already.

One thing about playing on defense with the Chiefs, they can have a lot of explosive scoring. Which is great. But the flip side is it puts a ton of stress on the secondary immediately after that as teams play in catch-up mode and take more chances.

That's a big reason he might have been slightly under the radar but also is a bigger reason to get excited about him and his numbers under that stress.

Look at the passing offenses he went against last season. GB, BUF, DAL and LAC. He had solid games in them all. 4 of his 5 worst games, he gave up less than 70 yards. He did give up a TD in 4 of his 5 worst games though. I don't know what part of the field the TD's were all given up but at least 1 was a 42 yarder.

That was my first thought --- those are successful pass centric teams!