1st Team All Pro - LB Fred Warner | Page 35

Aug 23, 2018 at 4:11 PM

Furlow
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Originally posted by thl408:
Hero, I can't say that I've noticed the MIKE (Coyle) lined up outside of the tackles last season. Definitely an oddity. It looks like they put him at his college position on that play.

Really like that play where he hand fought the LG off. There was one other notable play I saw from Warner where he met the pulling RG in the hole, at the line of scrimmage.

I think he's just lined up a bit outside the tackle because it's doubles to his side of the field, and it's the wide side. Same responsibility, different leverage. Just a guess.

Agreed about the play where he fought off the guard with his hands, that was explosive and impressive. He has a lot more strength than I thought he was going to have, at least this early on.

Aug 23, 2018 at 4:28 PM

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Originally posted by thl408:
Hero, I can't say that I've noticed the MIKE (Coyle) lined up outside of the tackles last season. Definitely an oddity. It looks like they put him at his college position on that play.

Really like that play where he hand fought the LG off. There was one other notable play I saw from Warner where he met the pulling RG in the hole, at the line of scrimmage.

That play I was talking about. Read, fill the hole at the LoS, not 1 yard beyond the LoS. Fell down, but the man strength will come in due time. Instincts are good.

[ Edited by thl408 on Aug 23, 2018 at 4:30 PM ]

Aug 24, 2018 at 12:54 AM

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Jcool:
I talked to 49ers MLB Fred Warner today, who confirmed that Sam LBs and LEOs are in one room ("they're interchangeable") and Mike/Will LBs are in another. Even after trading away SLB Eli Harold, Warner said the 49ers have him locked into that MLB role, not SLB.
— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 23, 2018

#Confirmed

Boom

But things could change once Foster returns or nah?

Aug 24, 2018 at 10:35 AM

#514

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Mug-Ception

Fake like you're faking a blitz and then try to blitz when the center turns away.

Fred Warner almost fools the center but he sees him last second lol pic.twitter.com/QifA3MlYiT
— Ted Nguyen (@FB_FilmAnalysis) August 24, 2018

Aug 24, 2018 at 10:43 AM

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Nice try lol

Aug 24, 2018 at 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Jcool:
I talked to 49ers MLB Fred Warner today, who confirmed that Sam LBs and LEOs are in one room ("they're interchangeable") and Mike/Will LBs are in another. Even after trading away SLB Eli Harold, Warner said the 49ers have him locked into that MLB role, not SLB.
— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 23, 2018

#Confirmed

Boom

But things could change once Foster returns or nah?

If it does, it would be Malcolm Smith moving from WILL to SAM on base downs. This would allow Warner and Foster to stay at their respective positions. Malcolm has the most knowledge to play the SAM with an inside LB moving outside. We'd still need Attaochu to ER on nickel on that strong side so Malcolm would be base only...unless he's some great ER we don't know about. LOL

[ Edited by NCommand on Aug 24, 2018 at 11:05 AM ]

Aug 24, 2018 at 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Jcool:
I talked to 49ers MLB Fred Warner today, who confirmed that Sam LBs and LEOs are in one room ("they're interchangeable") and Mike/Will LBs are in another. Even after trading away SLB Eli Harold, Warner said the 49ers have him locked into that MLB role, not SLB.
— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 23, 2018

#Confirmed

Boom

But things could change once Foster returns or nah?

Doubt it. Shanny said they think all their inside guys could play outside but that's like saying you think your guards could play tackle. They could but its not ideal. Those SAM backed in an under scheme are 3-4 OLB types. Not the patrol the middle types.

Aug 24, 2018 at 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by thl408:
Hero, I can't say that I've noticed the MIKE (Coyle) lined up outside of the tackles last season. Definitely an oddity. It looks like they put him at his college position on that play.

Really like that play where he hand fought the LG off. There was one other notable play I saw from Warner where he met the pulling RG in the hole, at the line of scrimmage.
That play I was talking about. Read, fill the hole at the LoS, not 1 yard beyond the LoS. Fell down, but the man strength will come in due time. Instincts are good.

Yes he does show good instincts here, but I just don't believe he has the frame or strength to play inside... he really struggles to bend down here to get leverage to take on the pulling guard, the guard skip pulls and here engages with better leverage and mauls Fred... his job on this play is to neutralize the insert blocker and cause the ball carrier to spill, which I don't believe he did either on this play... I still think he is better suited to play as and outside linebacker...

[ Edited by riverrunzthruit on Aug 24, 2018 at 11:42 AM ]

Aug 24, 2018 at 11:48 AM

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Struggled to bend down? He got lower than the guard lol.

Aug 24, 2018 at 11:48 AM

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thl408
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Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Yes he does show good instincts here, but I just don't believe he has the frame or strength to play inside... he really struggles to bend down here to get leverage to take on the pulling guard, the guard skip pulls and here engages with better leverage and mauls Fred... his job on this play is to neutralize the insert blocker and cause the ball carrier to spill, which I don't believe he did either on this play... I still think he is better suited to play as and outside linebacker...

Good stuff. I actually had a question about this play. Does he take on the guard with the correct shoulder here? You said he should spill, meaning he should take on the guard inside shoulder (guard's right shoulder)? He took on the guard's left shoulder.
I think once he gets some strength onto his frame he should be fine in the middle. He is lanky though. Currently listed at 236 at 6'3. Maybe get him to mid 240s worth of muscle.

Aug 24, 2018 at 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Doubt it. Shanny said they think all their inside guys could play outside but that's like saying you think your guards could play tackle. They could but its not ideal. Those SAM backed in an under scheme are 3-4 OLB types. Not the patrol the middle types.

Yo jd, check out the last gif on this post:

Originally posted by Heroism:
A few notable plays from Warner's debut vs Texans:

Tackles on back-to-back plays. Freddie is learning to play stack LB, and you can see growth in the mental processing in just back-to-back plays as he keys and shoots his windows faster.

One of Fred's greatest qualities coming out was his ability to defeat blocks with violent hands. In fact, I evaluated every draftable LB, and Freddie was hands down the best at using his hands of all LBs in the draft.

Reub and Freddie on the field together. Freddie cleans up after Reuben. This is a no YAC zone.

This is an interesting play. Fred is playing overhang like he did in college. I need thl/jd's help here. Does Saleh usually put his Mike in the alley like this? Anyhow, Freddie keys the RB, stays home and square, squeezes and gets in on the tackle.

Aug 24, 2018 at 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by thl408:
Does he take on the guard with the correct shoulder here?

Yeah, he did. Fred is the box fitter. Never wrong arm between the tackles. No off tackle/outside=outside in. Compress lead block outside in with near shoulder/forearm to fill.

A lot of one-gap DCs like their ILBs to play shoot their window vs one back. Saleh may prefer Warner pulls his trigger instead of compressing the wrapper (Reuben did this earlier in the game).

[ Edited by Heroism on Aug 24, 2018 at 2:29 PM ]

Aug 24, 2018 at 6:17 PM

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Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Doubt it. Shanny said they think all their inside guys could play outside but that's like saying you think your guards could play tackle. They could but its not ideal. Those SAM backed in an under scheme are 3-4 OLB types. Not the patrol the middle types.

Yo jd, check out the last gif on this post:

Originally posted by Heroism:
A few notable plays from Warner's debut vs Texans:

Tackles on back-to-back plays. Freddie is learning to play stack LB, and you can see growth in the mental processing in just back-to-back plays as he keys and shoots his windows faster.

One of Fred's greatest qualities coming out was his ability to defeat blocks with violent hands. In fact, I evaluated every draftable LB, and Freddie was hands down the best at using his hands of all LBs in the draft.

Reub and Freddie on the field together. Freddie cleans up after Reuben. This is a no YAC zone.

This is an interesting play. Fred is playing overhang like he did in college. I need thl/jd's help here. Does Saleh usually put his Mike in the alley like this? Anyhow, Freddie keys the RB, stays home and square, squeezes and gets in on the tackle.

Nice to see the kid improving

Aug 24, 2018 at 6:25 PM

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Wanna see more of him

Aug 24, 2018 at 10:42 PM

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Great stuff Hero!